Alterslash

the unofficial Slashdot digest
 

Contents

  1. Facial Recognition in UK Shops Will Soon Instantly Alert Police About Offenders
  2. 10 Million Cubans Suffer Nationwide Blackout - For The Second Time This Week
  3. Meta Removes Controversial AI Feature On Instagram After Backlash
  4. People Keep Sneaking Into an Empty IBM Campus - and Then Getting Arrested
  5. How the FSF Sysadmins are Blocking Botnets with reaction
  6. DuckDuckGo’s Browser Now Blocks Most YouTube Ads
  7. Orbital Datacenter Plans Need an Environmental Review, FCC Told
  8. This Factory Was Severely Short On Workers. Then It Offered Flexible Work.
  9. China’s AI Companies May Be ‘Distilling’ America’s AI Models
  10. EFF Celebrates 36th Anniversary, Says ‘We Need You in the Fight’
  11. Meta Says US States Seek $1.4 Trillion In Penalties In August’s Youth Safety Trial
  12. How Flock Cameras Wrongly Tracked a Journalist for Days, Then Sent Police to Arrest Him
  13. FCC Approves Reflect Orbital’s Space Mirror Satellite That Astronomers Hate
  14. China Lands Rocket During an Orbital Launch For First Time
  15. Apple Sues OpenAI, Accusing It of Stealing Company Secrets

Alterslash picks up to the best 5 comments from each of the day’s Slashdot stories, and presents them on a single page for easy reading.

Facial Recognition in UK Shops Will Soon Instantly Alert Police About Offenders

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Facial recognition technology in U.K. shops “will soon alert police in real time to the presence of serious offenders,” reports The Guardian, “with civil liberties groups warning of a ‘dangerous escalation’ towards surveillance and criminalisation in the retail sector.”
Facewatch, a facial recognition system used by more than 100 businesses including Sainsbury’s, B&M and Spar to monitor thieves, said it was launching a UK-first feature to “alert police instantly when the most serious offenders trigger a live facial recognition match”. Facewatch’s chief executive, Nick Fisher, said the “unique technical development” would be launched in autumn and would warn police in an average of four seconds when the “worst offenders” were flagged on its network… Charlie Whelton, the policy and campaigns officer at [civil liberties nonprofit] Liberty, said it was concerned about this “untested, opaque development” and the way facial recognition technology had been allowed to “proliferate without anything to govern it”.

“It’s not against the law to walk into a shop even if you’ve committed crimes in the past,” he said. “The idea of calling the police on somebody who hasn’t committed a crime, but there’s a concern they might, is really upending the way we do things. And of course, it’s not infallible. These systems do make mistakes, and it’s very hard to argue with that when it happens to you.” A number of people have been forced to leave shops after being falsely identified by Facewatch technology as a shoplifter, with some describing it as “Orwellian” and saying they felt as though they were “guilty until proven innocent”…

The use of the Facewatch technology looks set to quickly expand, with Sainsbury’s recently announcing plans to increase its use from 55 stores to more than 200 by the end of the year. Facewatch said it alerted retailers almost 300,000 times that a “known repeat offender” had entered a store during the first six months of 2026, and that its system allowed staff to intervene “before theft, abuse or violence could occur or escalate”… [E]xperts argue the use of facial recognition technology in shops to catch shoplifters is disproportionate. Nuala Polo, the UK public policy lead at the Ada Lovelace Institute, which studies the impact of AI on society, said: “There are other, much less intrusive means that you can use to catch shoplifters where you don’t need to be scanning millions of faces every day, virtually without consent....”

The campaign group Big Brother Watch has criticised police for “inserting themselves into this cowboy operation” and said people would be matched against “a secret blacklist compiled by unaccountable businesses and private security guards”.

Makes false positives expensive

By misnohmer • Score: 3 Thread
It really should be like winning the lotter to anyone falsely flagged and detained. Say 100,000 for each detention, a million a day if they are arrested and it turns out to be a false positive, plus all legal costs. This would make the stores more hesitant to finger people, and police work a lot harder to confirm the identity, and be in line with western legal system values of “better to let 9 guilty people go free, than imprison an innocent”. If a business calls police on 85% certain identification, they will need insurance for the 15% of times they finger the wrong person. Perhaps the tech companies doing the identification will provide some indemnification.

Re:it’s always the “worst”

By AmiMoJo • Score: 4, Interesting Thread

It already has been making false positive matches. There have been several stories about people randomly accosted as they entered stores like B&M, with the security staff claiming they were criminals and often breaking the law themselves in the process.

Because the database is shared by several different chains, it’s something that you can’t ignore if it falsely flags you. You need to get them to remove your face from it, and ideally claim some compensation for the misuse of your biometric data. The baseline is £250, but I’d be looking for at least £750 due to the hassle and embarrassment caused.

“disproportionate”

By Arnonyrnous Covvard • Score: 4, Interesting Thread

It’s cheaper than the loss to shoplifting. It’s not disproportionate.

Anybody who has ever tried to run a business knows that there is an absolute deluge of scammers and thieves targeting businesses of any size, and getting some authority to act even on direct evidence is next to impossible. Facial recognition systems on top of pervasive video surveillance are a form of vigilantism and exist because as a society we seem to have decided that “petty” crime is just fine - not even fined. If you don’t fend for yourself, you get fleeced. Being allowed to go into a shop, without being personally known and no other form of reputation, is a privilege born from trust created through a functioning society with laws that are enforced. Take away the enforcement, and in some cases even the laws, then the trust and privileges they afford us all are going away.

Police reaction?

By TJHook3r • Score: 4, Informative Thread
Given that British police routinely fail to be interested in burglaries, bike thefts, car thefts etc, at they really going to pay any attention to an alert that an offender is in a store? Shop security are toothless - if a shoplifter gets hurt, guess who gets penalized?

Next step…

By LordHighExecutioner • Score: 3 Thread

…facial recognition will alert shop owners when a compulsive buyer enters, so that he/she can be approached at once by shopping assistants.

10 Million Cubans Suffer Nationwide Blackout - For The Second Time This Week

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The Associated Press reports:
An islandwide blackout struck Cuba on Friday for the second time this week as the nation of nearly 10 million people grapples with a crumbling power grid and fuel shortages stemming from a U.S. energy blockade…

Authorities reported that they have already begun restoring power to some areas. On Monday, another massive blackout affected nearly 10 million people nationwide. Authorities reported during the week that service was gradually being restored from that outage.
“While total blackouts have become increasingly common in the Caribbean country, it’s unusual for back-to-back ones to hit just days apart…”

Picking on Cuba

By dskoll • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

While I understand that Cuba is currently under the thumb of an oppressive communist dictatorship, it seems to me the USA is unnecessarily picking on it, seeing as it doesn’t pick on equally despicable dictatorships (Saudi Arabia; China) that are just as bad as Cuba but more powerful.

I guess when Trump needs a distraction from Iran, he’ll do a special military operation against Cuba.

The US strategy

By peterww • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

10 million people within spitting distance of America who now have a *renewed* reason for revenge. This administration is filled with geniuses.

Unsurprisingly, solar & BESS are expanding fas

By shilly • Score: 4, Informative Thread

But not as fast as I’d have imagined, tbh. 1GW added in 2025, which took renewables from 3 to 10% of Cuba’s energy mix. I’d have imagined they’d have put in more like 5GW by now, but I guess they really are pretty small and poor, so it’s tough for them to finance, whether at individual, institutional or national scale.

I found both of these articles quite interesting:
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/0…

https://www.aljazeera.com/feat…

Re:Picking on Cuba

By arglebargle_xiv • Score: 4, Insightful Thread

If you want to understand international politics right now, it’s the US led world in favor of Pax Americana

That may have been the case until about 20-30 years ago, but now it’s most of the world wanting rules-based order up against an increasingly isolationist US led, if you can call it that, by a rapidly dementing authoritarian. The position “leader of the free world” has been vacant for at least 20 years.

Meta Removes Controversial AI Feature On Instagram After Backlash

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“Meta has axed a controversial feature that allowed users to modify photos from public Instagram accounts using AI,” reports TechCrunch:
The feature, which wasn’t designed to alert a user if their photos were used in this way, prompted immediate backlash… The company issued a blog post Friday announcing that it was removing the feature. Puck News founding partner Dylan Byers was the first to share the company’s decision… Byers notes that the decision to do away with the feature came “amid scrutiny from users and talent agencies, including CAA.”

What reallu impresses me in this story

By Pope Raymond Lama • Score: 3 Thread

Is that with all the data they collect, anyone in there could ever imagine any other outcome for the public reception of this feature.

People Keep Sneaking Into an Empty IBM Campus - and Then Getting Arrested

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Since February, New York state police have arrested 48 people for trespassing on a former IBM campus in Somers, New York, reports the Wall Street Journal. 30 of the arrests were teenagers.
The long-vacant site has become a magnet for so-called urban explorers, who prowl abandoned malls, hospitals, power plants, amusement parks, factories and any other disused structure they can breach… [I]t’s been turbocharged by artsy videos on Instagram and TikTok that spur others to create their own posts, luring still more curiosity seekers… In Somers, social-media images of the old IBM campus — a sprawling, pyramid-studded 1980s complex designed by the late I.M. Pei’s firm — show dystopian scenes: busted windows, tossed rooms and graffitied walls. But they also give eerie glimpses of conference rooms and cubicles unchanged since IBM left a decade ago, as if employees had fled the daily grind one day and never returned…

One man in his mid-20s faces felony charges; police allege he had a loaded 9mm gun and took a Sony camera and power strip among other souvenirs. Andrew Proto, a defense lawyer, said “a 15-second clip” isn’t worth a criminal record… Proto said he has represented or advised several minors arrested on the campus. The Somers town court clerk said some defendants received a 6-month “adjournment in contemplation of dismissal,” meaning charges will be dropped and their arrest sealed if they avoid trouble. Some explorers who have posted about the IBM site say they follow an observe-and-preserve ethos and reject vandalism. They say they’re driven by curiosity, the thrill of roaming forbidden spaces and a zeal to document discoveries — and that they’re careful and know their limits.

“It actually gives me hope when I hear that kids are out there getting into trouble,” says Bradley Garrett, a cultural geographer and author of the book “Explore Everything: Place-Hacking the City,” about his own urbex adventures. He sees urban exploration as “a gateway drug in a good way, sometimes, into intellectual curiosity about history and culture.” But Garrett said popular spots can be “loved to death” online — and then shut down, looted or set ablaze.
“Trespassers were blamed for a March 30 fire, reports a local newspaper, “that damaged one of the buildings and required volunteer firefighters to spend three hours extinguishing the blaze.”

He loved that thing!

By Tablizer • Score: 4, Funny Thread

I was just looking for Milton’s Swingline stapler.

There are probably cooler old IBM sites to visit

By leonbev • Score: 5, Informative Thread

That old Somers site has to be pretty picked over and vandalized by this point. Urban explorers should probably check out the old IBM data center in Southbury instead, which wasn’t abandoned until late 2024.

I wonder if my old OS/2 mouse pad is still in the file cabinet where I left it…

Good video

By ArchieBunker • Score: 5, Informative Thread

Here’s a good video about the site. It’s rather impressive. https://youtu.be/DjQ2PAgUcM8?i…

I Explored Em’!

By Arzaboa • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

I explored IBM campuses LONG before they were defunct. I was there when people roamed them halls and tunnels.

I had blueprints, and plans and I knew all the hidey holes.

Pretty much, physically boring. Tunnels were only for the pipes and wires. No big secrets or bunkers.

The only interesting stuff was on the raised floor; who was doing what and where.

That’s all virtually gone. Not worth getting arrested anymore for that stuff in an old IBM data center. Its all in a different data center now.


A people without the knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots. - Quote Marcus Garvey

Re:Aren’t guns legal?

By bill_mcgonigle • Score: 4, Informative Thread

Yeah, that’s why they mentioned the ancient Sony camera he lifted.

“Crime with a gun” is a separate crime according to NY.

SCOTUS will strike those down eventually. It’s like saying “crime while praying” if it’s a right.

Obviously he wasn’t using the gun to jack a Betacam. He was probably worried about crackheads in there for the copper.

How the FSF Sysadmins are Blocking Botnets with reaction

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For nearly two years the Free Software Foundation has been fighting web crawlers (including many aggressively scraping training data for AI models). A botnet controlling about five million IPs hit one system for six months in 2025. Their systems administrator wrote this week that they view these as distributed denial-of-service attacks.

How are they fighting back?
We noticed patterns in the scrapers that were abnormal, which gave us material for writing regular expressions. Searching for the regular expression then gave us a large lists of IP addresses. Looking up the origin of those IP addresses revealed that some of the crawlers were using botnets of residential IP addresses to scrape faster and avoid detection. We looked for what kinds of botnets might be generating the kind of traffic that we were seeing, and one that we suspected was called the “Vo1d” botnet, comprised of smart TVs running some sort of compromised app… We got confirmation that at least some of the botnet traffic hitting GNU Savannah was originating through the Vo1d/Popa botnet.

We placed our regular expressions in fail2ban, and found that we were hitting the maximum rules that could be added to UFW firewall rules on our systems which showed degradation around 65,000 rules… We learned about ipset and configured fail2ban to add IP addresses that it found to IP sets. Using ipset, we kept building larger IP sets and did not find instability with as large as five million rules…

We eventually found a promising project on Framasoft’s forge Framagit called reaction written by ppom… After we ran into scaling issues with our initial implementation, we developed a much faster implementation where the reaction shutdown process would export the IP sets to disk and the reaction startup process would restore the IP sets. This allowed us to have nearly instantaneous restarts of the service to apply new rules. We published both of our configurations upstream to reaction’s wiki so that everyone can benefit from it. reaction’s getting started documentation now leads to the method that we proposed…

Many sysadmins know about fail2ban, but not enough people know about reaction. I am very grateful to ppom for the help they have provided and for the tremendous project they have released to the world with reaction. We have implemented other defenses as well, but reaction is doing the majority of the automated work keeping our sites online.

CGNAT

By Bert64 • Score: 3 Thread

Much of the world is forced to use CGNAT to access legacy IPv4 sites, and many users are stuck with either no IPv6 or very lousy implementations (eg rapidly changing prefixes etc)…
You have one infected machine and it gets the shared gateway blocked, and then other users of the same provider are unable to access anything.

A lot of people are affected by this, but often don’t know the reason. Site operators in developed countries often don’t care or don’t understand how users elsewhere have to suffer with CGNAT.

Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/Conve…

Follow the money

By ISayWeOnlyToBePolite • Score: 3 Thread

Paying someone for data scraped by compromised smart TVs to train your AI sound if not downright illegal like several lawsuit waiting to happen. Not laying this at the FSF doorstep, but asking is there any movement on this from anywhere?

DuckDuckGo’s Browser Now Blocks Most YouTube Ads

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Nerds.xyz reports:
DuckDuckGo just gave its browser a feature that a lot of people have been waiting for. The privacy-focused browser can now block most video ads on YouTube, letting users watch videos without sitting through the pre-roll and mid-roll interruptions that have become part of everyday life on the platform. The feature is already enabled by default for iPhone, Windows, and Mac users running the latest version of the browser. Android users can turn it on manually… with DuckDuckGo planning to enable it by default in a future update…

To make it work, DuckDuckGo relies on the same community-maintained filter lists used by uBlock Origin, along with some of its own compatibility rules. The company says you might notice a bit of extra buffering before a video starts, but once playback begins, most ads should be gone.
Slashdot reader BrianFagioli argues that the feature raises questions about how creators are compensated when ad revenue is bypassed.

In the beginning

By Baron_Yam • Score: 5, Informative Thread

In the beginning, websites hosted their own ads. Then they farmed them out to someone else to manage, then that was (almost instantly) abused to deliver malware, then people started using adblockers and websites started implementing adblocker detection and refusing to serve people with such protections enabled.

Nobody seems to be willing to route both the original video and the ads through the same server to seamlessly splice the ads in and make ad detection and suppression more or less impossible.

Pffft

By spaceman375 • Score: 5, Funny Thread

I use firefox under linux with ublock origin and Privacy Badger. I haven’t seen any of these ads since people started bitching about them, and I watch youtube almost every day. I suppose this makes it easier for windows & mac users, but they should probably be running their browsers in a vm anyway just to avoid malware.

Firefox + uBlock Origin

By kbahey • Score: 4, Insightful Thread

I use Firefox + uBlock Origin , on Linux as well as Android.
No ads in YouTube at all …

And there is a bonus: videos continue to play, even when the tab isn’t the on that has focus. Handy for listening to music, while reading.

is Brian living under a rock?

By snowshovelboy • Score: 3 Thread

Slashdot reader Brian Fagioli argues that the feature raises questions about how creators are compensated when ad revenue is bypassed.

Creators can make sponsored content, they can run their own ads inside their video, they can do patreon, they can paywall their content. Most creators on youtube don’t see any ad revenue at all, so I’m not sure Brian’s question is in good faith.

I’d guess what he really wants to know is how google shareholders will be compensated.

“part of every day life”

By diffract • Score: 3 Thread
not for those of us with uBlock Origin and SponsorBlock

Orbital Datacenter Plans Need an Environmental Review, FCC Told

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Environmental groups want America’s FCC “to slam the brakes on orbital datacenters,” writes The Register.

They’re arguing for an environmental impact assessment for what could be 1 million satellites:
Earthjustice, acting on behalf of DarkSky International, Environment America, and Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER), filed a petition this week… The filing doesn’t target any single company. Instead, it asks the regulator to put the entire emerging orbital datacenter sector on hold while it assesses the cumulative effects of proposals from SpaceX, Starcloud, Blue Origin, Cowboy Space, and any similar applications that follow. According to the petition, those proposals collectively seek “well over a million datacenter satellites” in low Earth orbit.... " increasing the existing volume of satellites in low-earth orbit by multiple orders of magnitude.”

The groups argue that the FCC is trying to apply licensing rules written for much smaller satellite constellations to an entirely new class of infrastructure. “If ever a situation warranted a Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement [PEIS], it is this one,” the petition says. It argues that a single review would allow the agency to examine “the risks, alternatives, needs, costs, and impacts of this sudden transformation of Earth’s exosphere” before deciding whether any of the projects are in the public interest. The petition raises concerns about rocket launch emissions, pollutants released as satellites burn up during atmospheric reentry, depletion of the ozone layer, orbital debris, light pollution, impacts on wildlife, and interference with astronomy.

It also argues that the combined effects of these constellations cannot be understood by evaluating applications one at a time.... “It is difficult to imagine a better example of multiple projects presenting essentially identical impacts and risks that compound synergistically and cumulatively than the present proposals…” The petition argues that the FCC’s current approach, which generally treats satellite licenses as categorically excluded from detailed environmental review, is no longer fit for proposals measured not in dozens or thousands of spacecraft but in hundreds of thousands and, potentially, millions.

If the FCC agrees, orbital datacenter operators will have a mountain of paperwork to clear before sending their hardware skyward.

Solar fricken roadways all over again

By Powercntrl • Score: 3 Thread

I’m really not seeing what the advantage is of putting data centers in space that can’t be accomplished less expensively down here on good old terra firma. That was the same problem with solar roadways. You want to put up solar panels? Great - we’ve yet to run out of places you can put them where they aren’t going to be driven over by cars.

I realize there’s some NIMBYism over data centers lately, but surely putting them somewhere in the middle of nowhere where nobody will complain is still orders of magnitude cheaper than space. Space is really, really not cheap.

There’s a bigger issue

By Baron_Yam • Score: 4, Insightful Thread

Orbital datacenters make no sense when you consider power consumption, radiator requirements, and speed of light delay communicating with the ground. The laws of physics say an orbital datacenter cannot work as efficiently as a terrestrial one.

My question, given that the datacenter concept is obviously a cover story, is what is it a cover story for? The most obvious is that it’s to cover stock market fraud, but if satellites actually go up, then there are other, more sinister possibilities.

Re:No jurisdiction

By Local ID10T • Score: 5, Informative Thread

Per the United Nations Outer Space Treaty, anything launched from a nation, or by a party under its authority, is the property and responsibility of that nation. If the companies launching or operating the satellites are American, then the USA is supposed to regulate them.

Re: Solar fricken roadways all over again

By bloodhawk • Score: 4, Insightful Thread
Cooling in space is actually a lot harder than on earth. despite the movies depicting you instantly freezing in space it is actually the opposite that is the problem, a vaccuum is a perfect insulator, heat dissipation is very difficult in space.

This Factory Was Severely Short On Workers. Then It Offered Flexible Work.

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“Flexible, app-based scheduling lets large pools of part-time workers choose four-hour shifts and even select the type of work they prefer,” writes long-time Slashdot reader Tony Isaac. While the system started during the pandemic when factories faced severe labor shortages, the model is now “supplying hundreds of trained workers each week… while giving people — from retirees to sidejob hustlers to longtime employees — control over their hours.”

NPR says it’s attracting “people who may not be seeking a traditional career in the industry or even a 40-hour workweek,”
It’s a change that manufacturers including Stanley Black & Decker and Georgia-Pacific are embracing… Today, in any given week, about 450 flexible workers — roughly half the pool — pick up shifts at the [GE Appliances] plant, with workers putting in an average of 24 hours a week. Their contributions have been key to GE Appliances’ $180 million expansion of the Georgia plant, completed last year, which added 600 new jobs… [Darcy Duvall, the plant’s director of human resources operations] has also come to see that many workers prize flexibility despite the significant trade-offs — like lower pay and almost no benefits. MyWorkChoice employees can opt into their own group healthcare plan, but few do… The flexible work option has also helped GE Appliances keep longtime employees with decades of experience on the job.

Gig economy replacing traditional labour

By Baron_Yam • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

That factory will stop looking for full time workers now that they’ve discovered the desperate will take underpaid part time slots that don’t require benefits.

We should be looking at this story with horror, not admiration.

Re:Gig economy replacing traditional labour

By Art Challenor • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
Few things are universally good or bad - despite the desire of the press and politics to simplify. For someone looking to pick up a little extra income (school hours, evening, weekend) it’s probably good thing (almost certainly better than any of the driving gigs). For anyone who is doing this because they just can’t get full-time, with benefits, work this truly sucks.

A significant part of the problem is that the US, pretty much alone amongst first world countries, ties benefits, particularly health care to employment. Break that connection and this doesn’t suck quite as badly.

Re:So Not Shocking

By ISayWeOnlyToBePolite • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

So US management is *finally* learning that the 5-day, 40-hour workweek was not bestowed from upon high? That given a choice, many people would prefer work/life balance to higher wages? Color me unsurprised…

Interesting view. I (from northern Europe) read the article as trying to rose taint full time jobs not paying a living wage necessitating a second job and likewise retirees not having enough pension funds to actually stop working. Perhaps I’m being prejudice against less organized societies.

Death of the unions

By Local ID10T • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

This is the death of Unions being played out in real-time. Low wages, no benefits, no promises of tomorrow, everyone for themself.

Re: So Not Shocking

By djp2204 • Score: 5, Funny Thread

Part time pay and no health or retirement benefits

How can we lose?

China’s AI Companies May Be ‘Distilling’ America’s AI Models

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In March, Anthropic’s Claude “quietly deployed software to spy on China-based customers,” reports the Washington Post — apparently to unmask Chinese rivals “suspected of hijacking its technology to make their own AI tools smarter.” Last week Anthropic removed the spyware “after a software developer revealed its existence and privacy advocates criticized Anthropic, saying it had surveilled its own users.”
Anthropic’s tracking code was designed in part to catch Chinese firms “distilling” its AI models, a technique that involves pressing a large, expensive AI system to serve as a tutor to a smaller, cheaper one. Asking the larger system huge numbers of questions — hundreds of thousands or more — generates responses that can be used to upgrade the power of the smaller one on the cheap. Distillation isn’t illegal, and it has been used for years in the AI industry. But distillation without permission is against AI companies’ rules, and, used effectively, is giving Chinese AI companies a major leg up, American AI companies say… Anthropic and ChatGPT-maker OpenAI have both accused Chinese AI companies of using this technique to build copycat AI models of their own.

In a May blog post, Anthropic said that Chinese companies’ use of distillation, along with evading U.S. export controls on high-end computer chips, has allowed them to “trail closely” behind U.S. models. But if these techniques can be blocked, it might be possible for the United States to “lock in a 12-24 month lead” on Chinese capabilities, the company said… This month, Anthropic said in a letter to U.S. senators that was obtained by The Post that it uncovered a campaign in which Chinese tech giant Alibaba’s Qwen AI team used roughly 25,000 fraudulent accounts to generate more than 28.8 million exchanges with Claude to improve its own technology. In February, Anthropic made similar accusations against the Chinese firms Deepseek, Moonshot and MiniMax and said the campaigns were “growing in intensity and sophistication....” Anthropic and OpenAI have appealed to the U.S. government, arguing that distillation amounts to intellectual property theft that harms the U.S. in the geopolitical AI contest....

That Chinese AI labs are using U.S. models to improve their own technology appears beyond dispute. In a February 2025 study, researchers from China’s Peking University and the state-funded Chinese Academy of Sciences developed methods to detect signs of distillation in leading large language models. They concluded that, with the exception of ByteDance’s Doubao, most domestic models they tested showed substantial evidence of distillation, mostly drawing from U.S. models… In one set of intensive tests, a Qwen model misidentified itself as Claude nearly a third of the time, the Chinese researchers found.

U.S. firms have also used distillation to piggyback on AI systems made by others. In 2024, OpenAI released a tool to make it easier for customers to distill its own models and produce data sets for AI training. SpaceX founder Elon Musk said in court testimony in May that his AI company xAI used distillation to train its models and that the technique is common throughout the industry.
The article also notes that Anthropic “said it has banned nearly 700,000 accounts that were using Claude in China.” But the article includes this quote from Kyle Chan, a fellow at the Washington-based Brookings Institution’s China Center. “Anthropic’s framing is that this is a geopolitical contest for basically the future of the world and freedom and democracy. It’s that this is not just undercutting the U.S. commercially, but undercutting American strategic advantage in the most powerful technology we know today.”

And?

By OverlordQ • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

American AI companies ‘distilled’ millions of works from the original authors, they dont like it? Tough.

And?

By liqu1d • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
The American companies distilled everyone else’s stuff without asking. Difference is anthropic actually got paid by the Chinese.

Anthropic is using…

By MpVpRb • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

…every dirty trick in the book to secure their monopoly.
They spread fear and claim that only they can ensure safety.
They refuse to release a powerful model, claiming it’s too dangerous.
They invite government restrictions.
They attack open source projects.
Classic monopolist behavior.

Monopoly is inevitable

By rsilvergun • Score: 4, Insightful Thread
The Bonanza of free training data is over and done with. Sites are locking down and blocking scraping bots. They have to or they get overwhelmed by the cost of the traffic.

That means only the big platform holders are going to be able to keep their models fed and current.

So facebook, microsoft, maybe Apple and that’s about it. In the past I would include Twitter but I think it’s mostly politics bots and pussy pics in bio posts.

AI is a technology that by its very nature becomes a monopoly.

Re:Monopoly is inevitable

By bussdriver • Score: 4, Insightful Thread

Do they retain all their training data? can they store all that? - i thought they were using all the internet and massive piracy?

The web is being polluted with slop so.... I would think China could get around all copy-protection and have an advantage in data collection outside of the slop invested parts of the web. If the USA AI corps were not violating the law, they’d be trying to scrape from China’s bots who don’t have their legal limitations… Is the old web even that valuable to mine in the 1st place? From what I’ve read these AI are pretty amazing when reduced to a relatively small domain data set; like all journals and books on 1 topic. Have you not tried to research something in depth on the web and found it to be severely lacking compared to books and journals?? Even online lectures are just highlights from textbooks… Well, when you look to the book… I’ve spent years reading on the web on a topic for entertainment then tried a book only to find it had everything I learned all in 1 concise place that would have taken a fraction of the time and effort… and without all the filtering and correcting of know-it-all blowhard slop and that was before we automated windbags with AI.

Tech makes things worse. It’s like a drug. Opioid… It has targeted controlled good use cases but outside of that it’s bad stuff. Everybody’s answer to the problems it creates is to get more tech…at at least suffer until the next update/version… People were already getting more stupid, especially in the USA now we have AI and already we have studies showing it does just that… If you think things are stupid now…

With a 15% drop in PhDs ,science going down hill , and CS people leaving or souring on the evil of the corps here… I think these tech bros are quite self inflated as to their importance and how close they are to the end game. They are not going to get their huge break-thru monopoly they are racing towards like mad which looks more like a cover for a Ponzi scheme hoping to become a real business before it collapses. 80% of the effort is for the last 20%. They are probably not even at the last 20% and even then, their “AGI” could take centuries to get the last 5% of it (if you can even measure it well enough know when you are at 95%… or even at 80% progress. Assuming, you know what 100% even is!)

EFF Celebrates 36th Anniversary, Says ‘We Need You in the Fight’

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"We need you in the fight,” says the American legal expert in privacy, surveillance, AI, and Internet freedom of speech who became the EFF’s new executive director in March.

As EFF celebrates the anniversary of its founding 1990, “Each headline is different, but they tell one story: Many of the threats that once seemed hypothetical are now reality, and EFF’s work to ensure technology supports rights, justice, freedom, and innovation for all people has never been more critical.”
Governments and large corporations possess surveillance capabilities that were unimaginable just a few years ago. Ever greater concentrations of power are shaping speech, creativity, markets, and democratic institutions. Governments are increasingly seeking to control the internet and people’s ability to access information and communicate freely. Our community’s work is fundamental to the future of our countries, our livelihoods, and literally our lives…

These are perilous times. It is also a moment of extraordinary possibility. The future of AI has not been written and we can work together to get it right. We can make sure our laws reflect the needs of the modern digital age. We can build the technologies that empower rather than marginalize communities. For me, the work starts with recognizing that digital rights are not a siloed policy issue. We must fight and win on the digital terrain to organize, speak freely, access healthcare, find work, receive an education, and participate fully in democracy. We can and must reject a false choice between innovation and civil liberties, and build power across movements to make sure technology truly works for people…

EFF’s founders understood something remarkably prescient: Technology and civil liberties would become inseparable. Now we all live digital lives, and the important digital rights issues that EFF has worked on since 1990 have become kitchen-table issues all around the world. EFF’s founders understood that how technology is built, developed, used, and controlled deeply intersects with rights, justice, freedom, and democracy. EFF’s unique combination of world-class lawyers, activists, and public interest technologists pursue change simultaneously in the courts, legislatures, companies, and our communities, and pierce through false choices. This integrated, intersectional approach, grounded in deep legal, policy, and technical expertise, is a linchpin in fighting and winning against some of the most powerful forces in the world — both governments and trillion-dollar companies.

We defend people against unlawful government data collection and challenge license plate and face surveillance in our communities. We shape AI law and policy to protect civil liberties and support creativity and innovation. We push companies to strengthen encryption, fight to ensure you have the right to own what you buy, and build public interest technologies like Privacy Badger and Certbot that millions of people rely on every day. This work matters because it all answers the same question: Will technology empower or control us?
Major battles the executive director sees on the horizon”

“To meet these challenges, we must not only utilize the powerful levers of successful litigation, smart policy interventions, and effective public interest technology tools. We must also build a broader movement that recognizes that fights on the digital terrain are integral to all our fights for rights and justice… Together, our EFF community can help broaden the public conversation about technology’s role in society and continue building the collective power necessary to shape the future rather than react to it....

“I’m looking forward to meeting more of you at my first EFFecting Change livestream on August 12 with Cory Doctorow, and hope this conversation is just the beginning of finding new ways to work together…”

The blog post ends by noting that “We need you and others in the fight. Please renew your membership, become a recurring monthly supporter, and introduce someone new to EFF by snagging them a gift membership.

“Everything we accomplish — every lawsuit, every policy victory, every public interest technology tool, every campaign — is possible because people like you are committed to ensuring technology strengthens freedom, privacy, creativity, and opportunity for everyone.

“The future we want and need will be built by people and movements working together to ensure technology empowers rather than oppresses.

“Let’s build that future together.”

Disillusioned with EFF

By swillden • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

I had some interactions with EFF a few years ago that left me sad. They definitely do a lot of good work, but I had thought they would be pretty good at understanding complex technical issues and their nuanced interaction with social and political issues, but my experience was quite the opposite. They’re a pretty blunt hammer, mostly focused on rejecting any technological change regardless of its benefits. Even that would be okay if they were at least able to articulate sound objections, but that also didn’t seem to be the case.

I was working on Android and participating in the ISO 18013-5 mobile driving license standardization process. I thought it would be a good idea to consult with ACLU and EFF, partly to get their buy-in, but mostly to get their feedback. I thought they might have concerns that I could help to address either in the standard (though, honestly, the European members of the ISO committee were already going above and beyond with privacy protection and abuse protection — the Germans in particular are incredibly paranoid about such things — and that’s good!) or in the Android infrastructure I was building.

ACLU was great, at least for a while. The reason it was great was because the ACLU representative I was working with was Jon Callas (former. CTO of Silent Circle and PGP Corp, Chief Scientist of PGP Inc.). Jon is brilliant, with a deep and abiding interest in privacy. He was generally impressed with the approach we were taking, and had some good insights for tweaks we could make to tighten it up. Unfortunately Jon only worked with the ACLU for a couple of years, and we struggled to find anyone to engage at all after his departure. I’m not sure he wants to share publicly his reasons for separating, so I won’t go into that (though I will point out Jon’s article, linked above, is not an official ACLU position).

EFF… not so much. The EFF folks seemed not even to be able to understand what we were building. They kept comparing it to e-Verify (which they think is unambiguously bad) but were unable to articulate precisely what the problems with e-Verify were, or how those might translate to mDLs. I was actively seeking feedback on concerns that I could try to mitigate through good design and implementation. Their response was just a blanket “no, this is all bad” with no thought behind it, and no consideration for the individual privacy improvements that electronic delivery with selective disclosure provide as compared to plastic cards that just lay all of your personal information out there.

My discussions with police were actually far more productive than my discussions with EFF. The cops recommended pro-privacy tweaks that I incorporated — their concern wasn’t actually privacy, mind you, but liability, both financial and legal. The chiefs I spoke with were very concerned that there not be any circumstance in which a police officer might need to touch your phone, because they didn’t want to deal with the crap that would ensue when phones were broken, or illegally searched. They were significantly more tech savvy than you might expect, too, and of course they deeply understood highway stops and other police interactions.

But EFF was just frustrating and useless. Which is too bad because I had always had a lot of respect for them and the work they do. I still do, I guess… I just understand now that they have morphed into a typical lawyer-based civil rights organization. Which is good! We absolutely need those! But they lack the technical sophistication I understand they had when founded.

Meta Says US States Seek $1.4 Trillion In Penalties In August’s Youth Safety Trial

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Meta “said in a court filing on Monday that four states were seeking $1.4 trillion in penalties,” reports Reuters, “over accusations the company designed its Facebook and Instagram platforms to addict young users and misled the public about their safety.”
Meta put forward the figure in its response to the attorneys general’s filings on how penalties should be calculated if the states prevailed at trial. The number, which has not previously been disclosed and is close to Meta’s market capitalization of around $1.5 trillion, comes ahead of an August trial in Oakland, California, over the claims brought by California, Colorado, Kentucky and New Jersey against the company. Meta said the amount was unsupported by the evidence. “A sanction of that size has no analog in the history of consumer protection enforcement,” the company said in the filing. “The plaintiffs’ outlandish calculations have no basis in fact or law,” the company said in a statement, adding that it would continue to defend itself against the states’ demands.

A spokesperson for California Attorney General Rob Bonta said in a statement the lawsuit “alleges Meta has prioritized profits over the safety of kids and fueled the mental health crisis we see impacting a generation of American children. The California Department of Justice looks forward to holding Meta fully accountable at trial in August....”

Meta has denied the allegations, saying the attorneys general have no evidence it misled consumers about its platforms’ alleged addictiveness because “social media addiction” is not an established psychiatric condition, and therefore statements that its platforms were not addictive could not be false… Last month, [U.S. District Judge] Rogers rejected Meta’s bid to cancel the trial, saying there remained factual disputes over whether its social media platforms were addictive, whether Meta falsely denied it designed them that way, and whether it “partially” directed the platforms at children.
“A further 14 states have brought claims under their own laws, which will be heard at a separate trial in February…”

Thanks to Slashdot reader Sparkatron for sharing the article.

Unprecedented

By dskoll • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

“A sanction of that size has no analog in the history of consumer protection enforcement,”

The incredible harms done worldwide by Meta’s business model also have no analog in the history of shitty company behavior. Next up: Go after their copycats like TikTok and other toxic social media platforms.

Re:Unprecedented

By thecombatwombat • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

They do though.

The whole basis of the case was similar to tobacco, that’s the simplest.

Monsanto wasn’t gutted nearly this hard.

Plenty of people would argue fossil fuel companies have done at least as much damage, and known it, and they’ve been arguing it for decades.

Hell, Coca Cola has arguably done as much damage globally, and has also been caught knowing it. There was this scandal about five years ago when Coca Cola got caught funding dicey research minimizing how much ultra calorie dense things like Coke contribute to obesity. If Meta is on the hook for a trillion dollars for this, I’d say Coca Cola is truly at least as guilty.

We could do more. This would be a huge step, it’s not just a matter of Meta being unprecedentedly guilty.

Re:Unprecedented

By geek • Score: 4, Insightful Thread

Leaded gasoline is estimated to have killed over 100,000,000 people, reduced the collective IQ of the entire planet and permanently polluted most waterways over the course of 50-60 years, all based on lies by General Motors and some others.

The demonization of cholesterol has lead to the sickest generation in human history with the highest rates of diabetes ever recorded and a massive increase of heart disease, cancer, stroke, despite claiming to reverse these conditions. We’re then told its genetic to cover the lie, as if our genes somehow changed so significantly over the last 40 years that the rates of these diseases increased orders of magnitude. We now have the lowest levels of cholesterol in human history and the highest rates of disease, yet they continue to lie.

There are analogs to this. This is not new to humanity. It’s just the tip of the iceberg.

Give Trump a cut

By sziring • Score: 3 Thread

This can all be cleared up if they agree to give a portion to Trump and his buddies. Maybe even donate an arch to him.

How Flock Cameras Wrongly Tracked a Journalist for Days, Then Sent Police to Arrest Him

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“Are you armed?!” the police officer screamed. “Get out of the car!”

A writer for the car-news site The Drive describes how “a technological chain linking surveillance cameras, AI, and law enforcement… led to me and my wife being surrounded by police, hands on their guns, in a Kohl’s parking lot in suburban Minnesota.”
After dropping off our Amazon returns, we’d just gotten back in the Range Rover and reversed maybe two feet out of the spot when four cop cars came flying out of nowhere and boxed us in… The Plymouth Police Department had been tracking me for days using Flock license plate cameras, waiting for the right moment to strike, because they thought I’d stolen the Range Rover. And the reason I was ID’d as a dangerous car thief was a simple data error made 2,000 miles away in California, creating an edge case within an edge case that Flock’s AI camera network was unable to handle… “The plates on this car are stolen,” Officer Ganshyn said…

This made absolutely no sense. Car companies keep meticulous track of the fleets they loan out to the media. The vehicles all have special manufacturer or dealer plates that are logged every time one enters or exits… The New Jersey plates that were allegedly stolen from the LA dealer were 34 03 DTM, not 34 10 DTM. But when the police report was created and the plate was entered into Flock’s system, it was just recorded as 34 DTM. Just the five large characters, no little number in the middle…

Flock’s AI tech wasn’t registering that non-standard little number when it began picking up the Range Rover around town… I connected the final dot. A lot of vehicles in [Range Rover manufacturer] JLR’s media fleet have a New Jersey manufacturer plate with the same alphanumeric structure — 34 ## DTM — and Officer Ganshyn observed that meant it was now a nationwide issue. Anywhere a police department has a partnership with Flock, any other JLR-owned car with the same plate structure is going to get flagged as stolen. In fact, four other 34 ## DTM cars were being tracked around Minnesota that week, according to Officer Ganshyn. I was just the first one to get nabbed.

The only way to stop it would be for the LAPD to correct their initial report and update Flock’s system, which Jaguar Land Rover was now racing to make happen following the phone call. Still, he warned me to drive straight home, park the Range Rover, and leave it there. If I were to cross into the neighboring town, I’d probably get flagged again and go through this entire ordeal again with a different set of officers. His parting words were ominous: “You’re lucky we’re in Plymouth. If you were in Minneapolis, they definitely would’ve come at you with guns drawn.”
Ironically, even the original license plate wasn’t stolen either, the article points out. It was reported misplaced during a Los Angeles photo shoot, and “The corporation had to report the plate as lost to law enforcement,” according to the police report — and even then, the plate “was reported as NJ 34DTM instead of NJ 3403DTM.”

The author’s conclusion? “Once these systems have you in their crosshairs, there’s pretty much only one way it can go… A simple data-entry error, magnified and broadcast nationwide by a growing surveillance network operated through an opaque partnership between a private company and public agencies, led police to identify me as a car thief and set up a sting to take me down. I mean, they even had a drone flying overhead during the ‘bust’…

“Thank God our kids weren’t with us.”

Thanks to long-time Slashdot reader sinij for sharing the article.

3 points

By gurps_npc • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

1) The cops in Minneapolis appear to have the reputation for being psychotic morons. Suspects are not always guilty, as shown in this case and Car theft is most often kids joy riding (75%). Yes, 25% of the time it is organized crime (to steal a car for anything more than a joy ride you need good connections to large organizations to either chop it up or ship it out of the country). It is totally unreasonable to draw a gun on people joy riding.

2) The cops appear to be illiterate. The theft report said 34 DTM. While the flock cameras did not see it was 34 10 DTM, the cops SHOULD have seen the 34 10 DTM and realized something was off before they stopped the vehicle They should still have questioned them, but should have realized before hand that the license plate was not identical to the theft report and gone in more subtely.

3) Flock is incompetent and should be banned.

Re:3 points

By Registered Coward v2 • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

1) The cops in Minneapolis appear to have the reputation for being psychotic morons. Suspects are not always guilty, as shown in this case and Car theft is most often kids joy riding (75%). Yes, 25% of the time it is organized crime (to steal a car for anything more than a joy ride you need good connections to large organizations to either chop it up or ship it out of the country). It is totally unreasonable to draw a gun on people joy riding.

A pro also isn’t going to HD with his wife. Thefts by pros disappear quickly because, well, they are pros and want to avoid getting caught.

2) The cops appear to be illiterate. The theft report said 34 DTM. While the flock cameras did not see it was 34 10 DTM, the cops SHOULD have seen the 34 10 DTM and realized something was off before they stopped the vehicle They should still have questioned them, but should have realized before hand that the license plate was not identical to the theft report and gone in more subtely.

The problem, as shown in TFA, is the 10 are 2 small numbers stacked vertically between the 34 and DTM, so they get overlooked. Should the police looked closer, sure, but I can also see why the made the error because the 34 DTM is in much larger font size.

3) Flock is incompetent and should be banned.

Yes, and should be legally liable for damages in cases like this. At. minimum, if there system catches 34 DTM in multiple areas at the same time, that’s signs of a problem, and the art of pattern a computer should be good at detecting. The inability to report a tag as lost also means for this edge case it gets a stolen marker. You could tag it as lost and inform the tag owner not to reuse it if found, and if the correct number was entered if it shows up on a vehicle again mark it as stolen. That of course, would require work and changing a system.

Good thing his name was not “Buttle” (Brazil)

By Paul Fernhout • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
“One day, shortly before Christmas, an insect becomes jammed in a teleprinter, which misprints a copy of an arrest warrant it was receiving. This leads to the arrest and death during interrogation of cobbler Archibald Buttle instead of suspected terrorist Archibald Tuttle. …”

Re:Cops were actually well behaved, shockingly.

By stabiesoft • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
As the summary says, “You’re lucky we’re in Plymouth. If you were in Minneapolis, they definitely would’ve come at you with guns drawn.”. Imagine somewhere in Texas or Florida. They’d be dead.

Re:GIGO

By ArchieBunker • Score: 5, Funny Thread

The cops all had to coordinate their days off so this bust could be used for overtime.

FCC Approves Reflect Orbital’s Space Mirror Satellite That Astronomers Hate

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The FCC has approved (PDF) Reflect Orbital’s Earendil-1 test satellite, which will use a 60-by-60-foot mirror to reflect sunlight back to Earth after dark. “The reflected light from the satellite is supposed to span an area about 3 miles wide on the ground,” reports PCMag. It comes despite objections from astronomers and environmental groups who are concerned that the satellites will unleash intrusive light pollution. From the report:
The approval is only for one satellite, dubbed Earendil-1, which is meant to test Reflect Orbital’s technology for shining sunlight back to Earth. The satellite will boast a steerable thin-film reflector measuring about 60 feet by 60 feet, with the goal of powering solar farms at night or illuminating disaster-struck areas after dark to help rescue teams. Reflect Orbital envisions operating over 50,000 satellites by 2035, effectively surrounding the Earth with a fleet of mirrors. The proposal has faced stiff pushback from environmental groups and astronomers who are concerned that the satellites will unleash intrusive light pollution. The opposition has been so strong that the FCC received over 1,800 public comments on the application, many of them objecting to Reflect Orbital’s plan for Earendil-1.

[…] [T]he FCC approved the satellite, noting the grant is only “for a single demonstration satellite” to test an innovative technology that could advance American leadership in space. “The Communications Act states that it is the policy of the United States to ‘encourage the provision of new technologies and services to the public,’ and Reflect Orbital’s demonstration satellite is an example of a potentially groundbreaking technology that the Commission has found is in the public interest to support,” the order says. But on the most controversial aspect of the satellite, the FCC said the concerns around Reflect Orbital’s solar reflector are “unrelated to the Commission’s role in authorizing use of radiofrequency spectrum, and even if the Commission had authority to review and condition these operations (which it does not), these harms are unlikely to occur.

In addition, the commission said that U.S. courts have blocked the FCC from using “a generalized public interest requirement beyond its statutory authority in regulating communications. Accordingly, the operations of a solar reflector in space would not be reviewed as part of the Bureau’s public interest analysis.” The regulator also noted that conducting an environmental review for the satellite went beyond its authority. Even if the FCC did have the power, the commission emphasized that the grant is for a single satellite, not 50,000. “The majority of these comments focus on a hypothetical plan to deploy tens of thousands of satellites, and those who argue the single satellite will harm the human environment do not demonstrate with specificity the potential harm will be caused by the single satellite, but rather rely on the same studies as the commenters objecting to a larger constellation,” the FCC adds.

Re:Sunlight on the dark side

By gweihir • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Anything for a buck. The future? Who cares …

Barely more than moonlight…

By Vario • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

If we assume a best case scenario, that is all sunlight is captured by the 60 x 60 feet reflector and then send down to earth in a 3 mile diameter circle this would correspond to a light intensity of approximately 0.02 W / m2 or 2 Lux.

This is barely brighter than the light from a full moon. Probably not even enough for any color vision. So in which scenario does that help? And that already entails that a full satellite is only dedicated to you. Someone with more economical knowledge than me might want to give an estimate what the hourly rate of a satellite of that size might be.

The whole idea then goes brr by assuming thousands of satellites (1000 Lux would be bright office lighting) which is still not enough for any photovoltaic usage. So this is only an investment vehicle for people that dream without basic math.

Again

By Ol Olsoc • Score: 5, Informative Thread
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Russians tried this in the 1990s. Seriously underwhelming, and not likely to be much better this time around.

Re:copyright trolls to the rescue!

By spire3661 • Score: 5, Interesting Thread
Anduril, Palantir, Mithril Capital, Valar Vantures, Erebor Capital, Rohan AI, Rivendell One, Lembas LLC, Sauron Systems......All in open use today. The worst part is its all racist/classist dog whistles. They use this framing to indicate they are fighting to save ‘the Western World’ and all the shittiness that entails.

Re:Sunlight on the dark side

By TeknoHog • Score: 5, Funny Thread
It’s particularly bad because as we all know, dark surfaces absorb more heat than light ones.

China Lands Rocket During an Orbital Launch For First Time

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China successfully recovered an orbital rocket booster for the first time, landing the Long March 10B’s first stage into a net-equipped sea platform after its maiden launch. “This mission marks my country’s first successful controlled recovery of a launch vehicle and the world’s first network-based recovery of a launch vehicle,” the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC) announced via social media shortly after the launch. (Translation by Google.) “It signifies a historic breakthrough for my country in the field of reusable rocket technology and will lay a solid foundation for accelerating the improvement of my country’s space access capabilities.” Space.com reports:
The Long March 10B is a two-stage rocket that stands about 207 feet (63 meters) tall, according to the state-owned CASC, the main contractor for China’s space program. The vehicle’s first stage burns kerosene and liquid oxygen (LOX) propellants, whereas the second stage uses LOX and liquid methane. In reusable mode, the Long March 10B can loft about 16 tons of payload to low Earth orbit.

And the rocket flew with a payload on its debut liftoff — a satellite that successfully reached “its predetermined orbit,” according to the CASC update. That post did not provide any details about the spacecraft or its orbit. It did give a brief rundown of the first-stage recovery, however. “Approximately 6 minutes after the first and second stages separated, the first stage returned vertically and was successfully recovered at a sea-based recovery platform using a net system,” CASC officials wrote, noting that launch occurred from the Hainan Commercial Space Launch Site on Friday at 12:15 a.m. EDT (0415 GMT; 12:15 p.m. Beijing time.) “The launch and first-stage recovery missions were a complete success.”

Re:phrasing, subby.

By dinfinity • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

Is that better or worse? I was under the impression that most people find the catching of a rocket booster like SpaceX does with those little arms to be more awesome than just landing the booster.

I also thought that outside of having to land on Mars it is the preferred approach because it is more efficient.

Finally: Caught it in a net conjures up the wrong image. If you look at the video the ‘net’ is much more like the mechazilla arms and not some fishing net they plop the booster into: https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

Re:phrasing, subby.

By AmiMoJo • Score: 5, Informative Thread

It’s mostly better. While the barge has to be a bit more complex because it has to have the lattice of ropes (it’s not a net), it means that the booster doesn’t have to have landing struts. That’s a significant weight saving, which means less propellant needed too.

It likely also means that the system is less dependent on good weather, and better able to recover from small issues that would tip self supporting boosters over. IIRC the Blue Origin system actually welds itself to the deck when it lands to help with that, which obviously makes the legs disposable.

The only real downside is that it does require that barge to land, so to land on the moon you would need to first land a landing station. That won’t be an issue for the first manned trips, and longer term it may have advantages because the vehicle’s engine can be shut off at higher altitude and kick up less regolith.

Exciting times and another technique added to the list of options. We will see which becomes the preferred one, but competition in this area is going to be good for getting costs down.

Re:Cool!

By bill_mcgonigle • Score: 4, Interesting Thread

The idea is probably from 1950’s comic books but the tech seems brand new since they don’t need any landing legs and use a net-on-frame architecture.

People should pay attention because they didn’t have orbital technology thirty years ago and now they have a space station, reusable rockets, and are about to have a Moon base.

And possibly ultra-long flighttime ‘drones’ that can fly over Picatinny Arsenal unimpeded; that much is uncertain. We have no explanation for their energy budget (at least white-world).

Having a country run by engineers rather than professional thieves who hire engineers to justify pillage has certain advantages (and disadvantages).

Let’s not get too overconfident.

Re:Cool!

By Enigma2175 • Score: 5, Informative Thread

they didn’t have orbital technology thirty years ago

According to wiki they launched their first orbital satellite in 1970, more than 30 years ago.

Yes but actually, no.

By Gravis Zero • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

A reusable rocket without an asshole.

It’s a state-owned company. Have you forgotten what’s still going on in China? In the Xinjiang region, over a million Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities have been in “vocational education and training centers” since 2017. If you think that carrying out a genocide doesn’t make you an asshole then you are an asshole.

Apple Sues OpenAI, Accusing It of Stealing Company Secrets

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from The New York Times:
Apple on Friday accused OpenAI of stealing secrets about products still in development, setting up a legal face-off between two of the world’s biggest tech companies. In a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, the consumer tech giant said that OpenAI, a leader in artificial intelligence that has a new hardware business, had asked job candidates from Apple to share details about secret projects and to bring device components and prototypes to their interviews. Apple also accused an OpenAI employee of downloading internal documents from a laptop owned by the iPhone maker. OpenAI used the confidential information to approach Apple’s manufacturing partners, including asking one partner to demonstrate Apple’s technique for finishing metal on its devices, the lawsuit says. Apple sent a letter to OpenAI in February to raise concerns that confidential information could be “making its way to OpenAI’s business improperly,” according to the suit. OpenAI did not respond, Apple said. “OpenAI’s nascent hardware business now rests on the shakiest of foundations, rotten to its core by its illegal reliance on misappropriated trade secrets,” Apple wrote in its lawsuit.

[…] In its lawsuit Friday, Apple accused Tang Tan, OpenAI’s chief hardware officer and a former Apple executive, of coaching his hires from Apple on how to evade Apple’s security processes for departing employees. Apple accused another former employee, Chang Liu, of using a former colleague’s Apple-owned laptop to access and download technical documents while working at OpenAI. Mr. Liu told that Apple employee what information about unannounced products she should study before job interviews, Apple said. Mr. Liu also planned to access internal documents through an Apple-owned laptop that he didn’t return when he left the company, according to the lawsuit. OpenAI had misled the manufacturing company it approached to learn about the metal finishing technique to believe it had Apple’s permission to view it, according to the lawsuit. Apple is seeking an injunction that would prevent OpenAI from possessing, using or sharing Apple’s trade secrets, as well as an order requiring OpenAI to return Apple’s intellectual property.

No this is not possible

By phantomfive • Score: 5, Funny Thread
Sam Altman is a fine, upstanding young man with not a hint of deception in his bones. He would never lie, cheat, steal, infringe copyright, engage in corporate espionage, abuse his sister, lie to the board, or anything remotely unethical. When Aaron Schwartz said that Sam Altman couldn’t be trusted, of course he was being sarcastic.

Re: No this is not possible

By xgerrit • Score: 5, Interesting Thread
I worked for a startup that was building a fitness app, and Apple asked our marketing team to pitch ideas for an Earth Day promotion to promote us in the App Store. Our team had a pretty unique idea that we all were excited about, but after the pitch our Apple contact stopped answering messages about the promo. Sure enough, 3 months later Apple took the exact idea and used it in a promo for one of their own products on the App Store. At the time I thought this was some weird one-off thing that happened, but it turns out it wasn’t.. it’s exactly how they operate. Make no mistake, OpenAI is no saint, but Apple is a ruthless mega-corporation that’s been stealing ideas for years. There’s no one to root for in this one.

Re: No this is not possible

By evanh • Score: 4, Interesting Thread

Sadly, that’s more likely the individual people at Apple, rather than Apple per se. Same story at M$ and every other corporation. The internal fighting for higher pay means the individuals are stealing and backstabbing each other within.

source without paywall

By jarkus4 • Score: 4, Informative Thread

https://www.reuters.com/legal/…

OpenAI is run by Morons

By locater16 • Score: 4, Interesting Thread
Morons with a capital M. As I’ve heard it direct from big tech company employees there are perfectly established ways to skirt trade secret laws, you sit there and ask the employees in question “how we might go about accomplishing” X thing that their previous employer did, and in a roundabout way they tell you what direction to take, and pretty soon your to the same place and that’s it, you’re free and clear. On the other hand directly asking “share secret project”, “bring prototypes”, and such directly seems to contradict all established trade secret law I know about.

Which is to say: Apple seems to have a fantastically clear and straightforward case and are 100% going to win an enormous settlement. OpenAI has to be the company with highest liabilities, maybe in all of history. Like holy fuck are they in the deepest hole I’ve seen since The South Seas Trading Company, the world first stock scam that was so big it almost bankrupted England. I can’t wait for the podcasts and books and movie(s?, probably) all about the collapse. It’ll be so much fun.