Alterslash

the unofficial Slashdot digest
 

Contents

  1. Over 1 Million People Have Clicked LinkedIn’s AI Slop Button
  2. ‘Off the Charts’ El Nino Is Already the Strongest Since Records Began
  3. China Joins Europe In Scrapping Windows For Linux
  4. Township Fights Nuclear Weapons Data Center By Passing a Moratorium on Electrical Infrastructure
  5. Apple Cuts Jobs In Siri, Vision Pro Immersive Video and Gaming Teams
  6. American Who Wiped His Phone With ‘Duress’ Password During Border Search Gets Felony Charges
  7. AI Boosted Homework Scores, Then Exam Scores Dropped
  8. Man Dressed As Darth Vader Defends Flock Cameras to San Diego City Council
  9. Micron Unveils $10 Billion AI Memory Research Lab In Boise
  10. Linus Torvalds Endures A Debug Session From Hell, ‘Enormously Helped’ By AI
  11. Walmart To Finally Start Accepting Apple Pay and Google Pay
  12. Google Gives Publishers a ‘Preferred Sources’ Button to Fight AI-Driven Traffic Losses
  13. Microsoft Gives Task Manager Another Task: Watching AI Workloads
  14. China Is About to Launch Its Most Ambitious Moon Mission Yet
  15. Are You Sure You Want a Car With a Giant Touch Screen?

Alterslash picks up to the best 5 comments from each of the day’s Slashdot stories, and presents them on a single page for easy reading.

Over 1 Million People Have Clicked LinkedIn’s AI Slop Button

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According to a post from chief product officer Hari Srinivasan, “over a million people” have clicked on LinkedIn’s new “Seems like AI slop” button, which launched after one analysis found 41% of the platform’s longform posts were fully AI-generated. The Verge reports:
In Thursday’s post, Srinivasan said that users are overall “now experiencing 40% less views on what we classify as AI slop from just a few weeks ago.” LinkedIn is also adding a new message that will tell users who make a post if “Some members told us this post seems like AI.” “We approached this assuming good intent; I know I’m increasingly conscious on how to not sound like AI & the goal is to provide helpful feedback,” Srinivasan said.

100%

By commodore73 • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
LinkedIn is 100% slip, whether or not “AI” was involved. I spent about a year trolling there. I’m quite confident in my percentage estimate.

“now experiencing 40% less views on what we classi

By Finallyjoined!!! • Score: 3 Thread

Fewer!

When in doubt, ask a Bob.

By geekmux • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

LinkedIn is 100% slip, whether or not “AI” was involved. I spent about a year trolling there. I’m quite confident in my percentage estimate.

If someone was asked 15 years ago what LinkedIn exists for, they would likely tell you it’s a site where you can store your digital resume and network with people you know and trust, who also know you. Essentially your digital references.

Today LinkedIn only leaves a Bob asking ”What would you say you do here?”

‘Off the Charts’ El Nino Is Already the Strongest Since Records Began

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A rapidly developing El Nino is already reaching record-setting levels for this time of year and is expected to intensify further over the coming months. “The El Nino has blossomed. It is off the charts. Usual measures of El Nino have blown past prior record levels in the period with good data, even though maximum effects are still several months in the future,” writes renowned climate scientist James Hansen at Columbia University in New York in a newsletter sent today. Climate scientists disagree over whether it has already surpassed previous “super El Nino” events on every metric, but several say the signal is unprecedented in forecasts and could ultimately become the strongest modern event on record. New Scientist reports:
There are different ways of measuring El Ninos, which occur when warm surface waters spread eastwards along the equator across the surface of the tropical Pacific Ocean. Hansen thinks the best measure is how much warmer than usual the upper 300 meters of the eastern tropical Pacific becomes. “Our preferred metric, the heat anomaly in the upper 300 meters of the Equatorial Pacific Ocean… already exceeds the 1997-98 super El Nino,” he writes.

[…] What’s clear is that this developing super El Nino will soon exceed previous events on all measures. “I have never seen an El Nino signal this intense in our forecasts,” [Adam Scaife at the Met Office, the UK’s national weather service] said in a statement released today. “If the forecast is accurate… then 2026 will far exceed our recent experience of El Nino and its worldwide climate influences.”

While Hansen is comparing the developing super El Nino to other modern events for which we have direct temperature records, Hayley Fowler at Newcastle University in the UK thinks it could also exceed historical events suspected to be even larger. “The super El Nino evolving in the Pacific will likely be the biggest ever recorded, reaching or exceeding the levels of the 1877-1878 El Nino which caused widespread impacts, including famines and around 50 million deaths (3-4 percent of the global population at the time), mostly across Asia and South America,” Fowler said in a statement.

Gotta love stories like this

By quonset • Score: 3, Insightful Thread

The word ‘El Nino’ was mentioned 10 times and the word ‘Super El Nino’ twice. Yet nowhere does it bother to mention what this means. What effects? How long? Who might be affected?

Yes, there is this thing called ‘the internet’ that I’m told can be used to look up information (or watch cat videos), but if you’re trying to disperse information, it might be nice to include said information so people can better understand the point you are trying (and failing) to get across.

Climate visualization

By SilentTristero • Score: 5, Informative Thread

I’ve been working on a climate dashboard with daily-updated sea & surface temps on a 3d globe as well as various regional trend graphs, at https://globe-viz.oberbrunner.... The Nino 3.4 region’s sea surface temp has been in daily-record territory since June 1, and it’s likely to reach an all-time record soon. Most ocean temps are well into record or near-record territory, and some local areas like the sea of Japan are over 6C above their long-term averages.

Sell me Reality, not Hype.

By geekmux • Score: 3 Thread

There are different ways of measuring El Niños..

..and I’m certain we chose the one that won’t give us THE most alarming model that likely qualifies as an outlier in any other equation, in order to sell more hypes, clicks, and insurance premiums that got auto-adjusted based on hypes and clicks, right?

Right?

I’m not denying a hotter summer. Or the potential for extreme weather. I’m questioning the hype and bullshit cheerleading squad in every marketing department that gets paid in clicks now. The weather industry is one of those unique industries where we call people who are only right 50% of the time “experts”.

Keep that in mind and temper your fears with a results-based look at the onslaught of OMGWTF world-ending predictions from the weather warriors over the last five years. You’ll find an imaginary death toll greater than every Cold War scenario that never happened.

China Joins Europe In Scrapping Windows For Linux

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from ZDNet:
According to a Bloomberg report, attributed to China’s Ministry of State Security, the country has ordered some government agencies to drop Windows 10 China Government Edition for Chinese-made Linux distributions. Why not Windows 11? Because China, like many other non-US governments, no longer trusts American companies with their software and services. This approach is all about digital sovereignty. In addition, even before the recent trend of governments outside America moving away from Windows, Beijing has started a long-running push to replace foreign technology in sensitive systems with domestic, open-source alternatives.

[…] The Chinese government did not specify which Linux versions would replace Windows 10. However, the stock prices of Chinese Linux suppliers, Kylin Software and Tongxin Software Technology (commonly known as UnionTech), immediately jumped. These companies’ respective operating systems, Kylin OS (no relation to Ubuntu Kylin) and UnionTech OS (UOS), were already positioned as domestic desktop and server replacements for Windows in government, state-owned enterprise, and critical-infrastructure environments. […] Huawei’s HarmonyOS 2, which began as an Android variant but is now a proprietary mobile and Internet of Things (IoT) operating system, is also being developed into a PC platform. HarmonyOS 2 won’t be deployed anytime soon. Kylin and UOS are the only mature desktops that are ready for institutional desktop deployments.

[…] … this transition won’t be easy. For agencies now moving off the government Windows build, the issue will be more demanding than simply swapping one desktop interface for another. Migration requires application testing, peripheral and driver validation, identity system integration, document-format compatibility, staff retraining and, in many cases, replacement or adaptation of Windows-dependent line-of-business software. The report provides no details on exactly how this transformation will occur. But the speed of the shift suggests that these issues are already being addressed in China’s centralized managed desktop stack.

Re:The only reasonable move

By 0123456 • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Iran has been “two weeks away from a nuclear bomb” for at least thirty years now. It’s all been part of Israel’s plan to convince American boys to die for Israel in a war on Iran.

Well, they got their war and it turns out that a) no sane American boy wants to die for Israel and b) all those expensive American wunderwaffen don’t win wars.

So Iran will do what it wants. If it wants nukes, there’s nothing American will do about it. And the Iranians now clearly see that the only way to be safe from American attacks is to have nukes like North Korea does.

As for Sharia law, we’re going to have Christian Sharia law or Muslim Sharia law. There’s no future in which ‘uman rights’ and ‘wimmin’s rights’ continue to exist much longer because they’re utterly destroying Western society.

Re: “domestic”

By Mr. Dollar Ton • Score: 4, Insightful Thread

Not much local pride to be had,

It isn’t about “pride”, dear. It is about something else entirely.

Re:The only reasonable move

By ArchieBunker • Score: 4, Interesting Thread

Did you hear about the woman in Iran who suffered a stillbirth and was then sent to jail for 18 years?

Actually wait, I have that incorrect.

It was Alabama. https://www.wsfa.com/2025/12/3…

pretty easy actually

By smithcl8 • Score: 4, Interesting Thread
These are government bureaucrat computers we’re talking about here. Spreadsheets, email, typing memos, and using a web browser for their apps. This is not the heavy lift it was even 5 years ago. The only part I would be interested to see if how you centrally manage login credentials without Active Directory. I’m sure there are systems available for it, but I’m yet to see any enterprise use anything other than AD. Maybe you really don’t need it and can just use local authentication, then handle deeper authentication on the server resources, I don’t know.

Township Fights Nuclear Weapons Data Center By Passing a Moratorium on Electrical Infrastructure

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Ypsilanti Township, Michigan, has imposed a six-month moratorium on “major electric utility infrastructure” in its latest attempt to delay a proposed $1.2 billion University of Michigan-Los Alamos data center that would support nuclear-weapons research. Township leaders, who have already paused water service for data centers, say the project has moved forward without adequate consultation and want more time to study noise, grid impacts, and other effects on residents. 404 Media reports:
Last year, the university announced it was partnering with LANL on the construction of a massive 220,000 square foot hyperscale data center in Ypsilanti Township and residents have been fighting it ever since. During a meeting of the Township Board on August 18, the council unanimously passed a resolution that will delay the construction of new electrical infrastructure for 180 days. Data centers need a lot of energy, and Michigan’s power authority will have to build new substations in the Township to power the proposed facility. The moratorium asked the local power authorities to use the six month delay to study noise pollution and how the new infrastructure would affect existing customers.

The moratorium is narrowly focused on “the nature and scale of electrical infrastructure necessary to serve new high-energy-demand land uses […] including infrastructure associated, but not limited to hyper-scale data centers, mid-sized data centers, artificial intelligence computing facilities, and high-performance computational centers, industrial facilities, and other intensive electrical users.”

Earlier this month, the University of Michigan announced it had settled on a specific plot of land in Ypsilanti Township — a 144-acre plot on Textile Road. In a press release about the decision, the University said the data center would have the “capacity to change the world” and insisted it would not be a “high value target risk” in a war, that it would not store any hazardous nuclear material, and was not a weapons production facility. LANL previously confirmed that the data center will be used for nuclear weapons research. Ypsilanti Township Supervisor Brenda Stumbo told WEMU news that the selection of the site was a “travesty of justice” because it ignores constituents’ concerns about environmental impact.

During the August 18 moratorium vote, the Board projected a large stock photograph of an electric substation behind its members. The photo was meant to remind people of the size of the incoming infrastructure and the lack of communication from the university about it. “This picture’s really important to think about because U of M has been so crystal clear that they’ve been communicating to us abundantly — which is not true,” Township clerk Debbie Swanson said during the meeting. “That speaks to the lack of respect.”

Nuclear Weapons?

By RitchCraft • Score: 3 Thread

That’s so 20th century. We need data centers that research photon torpedoes. Good on them for blocking this ancient technology.

The confusing part, explained

By Woeful Countenance • Score: 3 Thread

I was confused … not that this is a terribly unusual state.

“Ypsilanti Township, Michigan, has imposed a six-month moratorium on “major electric utility infrastructure” in its latest attempt to delay a proposed $1.2 billion University of Michigan-Los Alamos data center ....”

This seems to say that the (government of the?) “Township” has (somehow) imposed a moratorium on new electric utility infrastructure — the confusing part is — why? If this is the government of the township, and they don’t want a data center, can’t they just deny permission to build a data center? Don’t they have any zoning laws? Can’t they just pass a municipal ordinance saying, “No new data center”?

Apparently, no, they cannot: “Under the Michigan Zoning Enabling Act (MCL 125.3207), local governments are prohibited from enacting total bans or exclusionary zoning against lawful land uses like data centers if a demonstrated need exists and they fit industrial or commercial standards. Completely prohibiting them leaves municipalities vulnerable to developer lawsuits.”

Because God forbid local people should have any control over their local environment. That might be Bad for Business, and we just Can’t Have That.

Maybe everybody but me already knew this. That also would not be unusual.

Apple Cuts Jobs In Siri, Vision Pro Immersive Video and Gaming Teams

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Apple is cutting more than 200 jobs as it shifts resources toward a rebuilt, AI-powered Siri and other future products. Roughly 100 positions are being eliminated from the Vision Pro organization, including much of its gaming team and some immersive-video staff. Another 100 cuts are hitting the Siri and software teams. Bloomberg reports:
In a statement, Apple acknowledged that it was realigning some teams “to evolve our business to deliver the best experiences for our users.” “While we will create new roles as part of this change, it will also impact a limited number of existing roles,” the company said. “We are grateful to these team members for their contributions, and we are committed to supporting them throughout their transition, including opportunities to apply for other roles at Apple.”

The Siri reshuffling is tied to an upcoming AI-infused version of the assistant, which is built on a new technical architecture. That shift requires a change in the necessary expertise, prompting the company to eliminate a small number of existing roles, reallocate resources and create new positions supporting the updated Siri.

The changes to the Intelligent Systems Experience team reflect an effort to reorganize work on AI-powered capabilities. As more groups bring AI functions to apps, features and services, Apple is realigning teams to match priorities and accelerate development. The restructuring will eliminate some existing positions while creating new roles.

So what?

By Petersko • Score: 3 Thread

If it were a larger, less targeted set of folks I would have questions. But it sounds like they are niche folks with special skills. They’re probably paid in the higher range. Apple could probably find places in the company for them, but probably not roles as well compensated. So overpay them or package them out. Overpaying has consequences, including upsetting peers. Packaging is cleaner.

Lot of assumptions in that… but when your employee base is something like 165,000 this isn’t exactly a cull.

American Who Wiped His Phone With ‘Duress’ Password During Border Search Gets Felony Charges

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Federal prosecutors have charged activist Samuel Tunick with obstruction after he gave Customs and Border Protection officers a duress passcode that wiped his GrapheneOS-powered Pixel during a border search. “His prosecution is one of the earliest known instances of the federal authorities charging a person with destroying evidence using a program designed to wipe a device clean after a specific code is entered,” reports The New York Times. From the report:
“Obstructing federal law enforcement is a serious matter that has serious repercussions,” Theodore Hertzberg, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Georgia, said in a statement. “Individuals who destroy or attempt to destroy property, including data, to prevent lawful search and seizure should expect to face prosecution and punishment for their actions.”

A spokeswoman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection said in a statement that the agency had the authority to search the electronic devices of anyone entering or leaving the United States, regardless of citizenship, to enforce laws addressing terrorism, child exploitation, drug- and human-smuggling, visa fraud and national security threats.

“The border search will only include an examination of information that is present on the device at the time it is presented for inspection,” the spokeswoman said, adding that it searched the electronic devices of fewer than 0.01 percent of all arriving international travelers in the last fiscal year.
“Just the knowledge that the government is peering into your private life in this way, trying to dig up dirt on you, even though it’s unsuccessful, is creepy,” Tunick said, in response to a question about how the charges have affected him.
His message: “The government doesn’t own our communications, our relationships, as hard as they might try to. We have to defend our fundamental right to privacy; otherwise we can’t say that we really live in a democracy.”

Re:This isn’t the EU. He’s going to win.

By Local ID10T • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

The argument is that you have no constitutional protections at the border crossing. Which is complete bullshit, but that’s their position. Inovking the fifth amendment to not give up a password should be an option for all citizens at any time when engaging with US law enforcement.

That is where they have him. He did not invoke his 5th amendment right and remain silent… he gave the federal investigators false information which he knew would result in the destruction of any potential evidence on his device.

If you refuse to give the CBP the password, they will hold you for questioning. They will tell you that you have no choice and that you must give them the password. This is a lie, but they are allowed to lie to you. They cannot refuse entry to a US citizen. They cannot hold you indefinitely (I think they are still bound by the 72 hour limit). They must return your device to you. They can hold it for a few days (and presumably make a clone or try to hack it), but they must return it to you. They will lie to you about all of this. Your attorney will tell you the truth. Demand an attorney, and remain silent until your attorney advises you to speak.

“Solution”

By Himmy32 • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Respectfully, that’s a workaround, not a solution. A real solution to a dysfunctional government is inherently political.

When the laws and their interpretations allow for unchecked executive power to surveil, the outcome isn’t surprising. The solution is to promote, vote for, and elect officials who believe in protecting rights and will nominate court officials with sane views on the 4th amendment and executive power.

Re: This isn’t the EU. He’s going to win.

By ArmoredDragon • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

If you’re a citizen or permanent resident, you can’t be denied entry. Full stop. You can be detained for a short time, they can make you miss your flights, they can maybe impound your possessions, etc. But you can’t be denied entry.

Re:This isn’t the EU. He’s going to win.

By Fallen Kell • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
I think it is also more important to mention who ACTUALLY wiped the phone. Samuel wasn’t the one who entered the code that wiped it, the customs/board patrol agent + FBI were the ones in possession of the phone and the ones who entered the code from everything I have read. If they had felt so confident in the fact there was evidence in there in the first place, the data would have been first cloned with a forensic data scientist and then that cloned data used to do any searches, keeping the original intact and exactly as taken so anything could hold up in a court of law…

Re:This isn’t the EU. He’s going to win.

By sandbagger • Score: 5, Informative Thread

>Demand an attorney, and remain silent until your attorney advises you to speak.
He asked for his attorney. They denied him.

A US lawyer made a video about this incident and looked at some of the case law: https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

AI Boosted Homework Scores, Then Exam Scores Dropped

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Economist:
Students and school children are increasingly using artificial intelligence. A survey last year by Chegg, an ed-tech firm, found that 80% of rich-world undergraduates used it in their studies. More recent polls put the figure at 94% in Britain and 93% in Germany. Such widespread adoption has fueled concerns about the impact the technology might be having on learning. Teachers report marking identikit essays that they suspect are churned out by ChatGPT. Yet firm evidence on AI’s educational effects has been lacking.

David Stromberg of Stockholm University and Victor Lei and Wu Yanhui of the University of Hong Kong set out to fill the gap. They tracked 27,000 pupils aged 12-18 in China, where AI adoption has been fast. Around 80% reported using models such as Doubao and DeepSeek; the other 20% formed the control group.

The results are eye-opening. After six months, pupils using AI saw their average homework score rise by 18% across all subjects. The time they took to complete each assignment fell from an average of 64 minutes to 45. But come exam time, the same students scored 20% below their classmates who had not called on AI’s help. Homework scores once predicted exam performance; now those who score highest are, perversely, more likely to do worse in exams.
The takeaway: “AI can boost learning productivity, but only for those who use the technology intelligently,” reports The Economist. “Students must resist the temptation to reach for an AI-generated answer before thinking things through for themselves.”

Get rid of homework

By Valgrus Thunderaxe • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
and test in-person. Your electronic devices go in a locker before entering the test area (many industries have this requirement).

Shocked!

By Local ID10T • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Well, not that shocked.

Using an AI to do your homework gets the homework done without you learning the subject. Then you fail the exam.

Yeah, not shocked at all.

Re:Shocked!

By Rei • Score: 4, Interesting Thread

That is not what they found. What they found is that if you spend 60 minutes doing the homework with AI, you learn approximately as much as someone who spends 60 minutes doing it without AI. If you spend 20 minutes doing it with AI, you learn as much as someone who spends 20 minutes doing it without AI. Etc. The only real difference is that the AI people get way better homework scores, and as a result, tend to stop spending as much time, and thus tend to learn less.

That’s what this preprint study found.

Re:Get rid of homework

By OrangeTide • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Most subjects are best learned through repetition. Learning your multiplication tables isn’t something you just reason out. Learning how to do the process of long division or add fractions is best done by having the student do it thousands of times. Our little monkey brains need to be force fed information in order to build up any hope of retention.

People are addicted to social media because we adults shifted the responsibility for self-discipline onto children. That’s bad, we are bad for letting it get this far, and we should feel bad.

Re:Get rid of homework

By dgatwood • Score: 4, Interesting Thread

But you simply can’t rely on homework scores to be a proxy of learning or time spent studying anymore.

You never could. Parents do their kids’ homework all the time, or siblings, or friends. Ideally, teachers should give a large pile of optional homework. State right up front that although they will grade it, it will not count towards your final grade, and the grade on each homework paper will be given as a percentage of the problems attempted, not of the total set of problems. So if you do five problems and get them all right, you get 100, and if you do 50 problems and get most of them right, you get 90. At that point, the purpose of homework is primarily to help the students learn, rather than being primarily a way to evaluate the students. Give some participation points for doing some of the homework, but not based on correctness.

This has three benefits. First, the smart kids who understand the material quickly will do just enough to make sure they understand it and then will stop wasting their time, but will still have feedback on the work that they did do. Second, the teachers won’t have to grade as much work from students who don’t really need that much extra work. Third, no at-home cheating, whether by technology or by other people will distort their grades.

Obviously this doesn’t work for everything — essays, for example — but for general homework, it’s a big win.

Brief daily quizzes on the previous day’s material will force them to.

You can certainly do that along with what I suggested, though I’m not sure how much difference it will make in the grand scheme of things.

Also, It’s not like students have the excuse of, “I couldn’t study, I didn’t have anyone to explain X to me” anymore. The very AI that they might otherwise use to cheat on their homework can also explain to them the things they missed in last year’s algebra class that are blocking them from learning this year’s calculus, or whatnot. Congrats - you now have an infinitely patient personal tutor who will spend hours dumbing things down for you until you get it. Now you have no excuse - learn the material. It becomes all about actually putting the time in.

Agreed.

Man Dressed As Darth Vader Defends Flock Cameras to San Diego City Council

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A man dressed as Darth Vader used a Public Safety and Livable Neighborhoods Committee meeting in San Diego to mock the city’s use of Flock surveillance cameras, sarcastically arguing that the technology would help the “emperor” track “rebel scum" and find Luke Skywalker. “This is what the emperor needs. This technology will help us find the rebel scum and the hidden base on Hoth,” he said. The Hill reports:
He urged that the cameras be used to surveil any “rebel scum as they move from playground to playground, from playground to pool, from pool to gymnasium, because we all know that the Flock cameras are not only following the license plate readers, they are following children.” The plea for the cameras shifted to raising taxes to clear out storm drains and to the clearing of homeless encampments in the city. The man said the council members can use “doublespeak” to say the police department is humanitarian.

“And how will the people trust this City Council when this City Council continues to vote for surveillance technology that imprisons them? Ms. Campbell, you must work on your Jedi mind tricks,” he said, addressing City Council member Jennifer Campbell, before waving his hand to the audience. “Do it like this.” His last plea was for the Flock cameras to be used to “help us find Luke Skywalker as he traverses the universe in his X-wing.” “This technology is a necessary, necessary force,” he concluded.
According to DeFlock, San Diego has more than 550 Flock cameras across the city.

When Darth Vader is the voice of reason…

By Dru Nemeton • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
…you seriously need to examine the direction your society is headed.

Re:China virtually eliminated homicide

By Registered Coward v2 • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

So let me ask you .. approx. 4 deaths for every 100,000 people annually .. that’s like 10,000+ per year people .. is it worth being able to go to a strip club secretly?

Yes

Re:China virtually eliminated homicide

By awwshit • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

I’ll take on a murder over cameras any day.

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” - Benjamin Franklin

These aren’t the cameras you’re looking for

By jfdavis668 • Score: 5, Funny Thread
Replied representatives from Flock

It’s funny to watch how people

By rsilvergun • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
Who just spent the last 50 years blowing off democracy for nonsense moral panics and their particular interpretation of some dumb book somehow think that when the screws start to tighten on them that all of that machinery of democracy that they have cheerfully allowed to be dismantled is going to save them.

People like me have been warning people like that for years that eventually the psychopath doing this will get around to them. How George Carlin warned them.

And here we are and all I’ve got to say is I told you so.

Micron Unveils $10 Billion AI Memory Research Lab In Boise

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Micron says it will spend $10 billion over the next decade on a new research lab in Boise focused on advanced memory technologies, computing systems, and future chip manufacturing. Here are some details, as reported by Reuters:
- Micron Research Labs will bring together customers, academia, government and the broader semiconductor ecosystem to pursue breakthroughs, the company said.

- The latest investment builds on the more than $250 billion that Micron had separately committed to manufacturing and R&D across the United States.

- The lab will be connected to Micron’s research and technology footprint across the U.S., Europe, Japan, India, Singapore and Taiwan.

- Growing adoption of AI workloads and infrastructure buildout have boosted demand for high-bandwidth memory, which rapidly feeds data to AI accelerators, making it a critical component of modern computing infrastructure.

- The Trump administration has prioritized domestic chip manufacturing in a bid to reduce foreign dependence, boost the economic output and maintain its lead in the AI race.

- Micron expects to break ground on the facility in 2027, which will be capable of hosting hundreds of researchers and facilitating international conferences and workshops.

Nice.

By Smonster • Score: 3 Thread
This is a boon for Boise. I haven’t been there in almost a decade, I can only image how much it has changed since then. If that place had a respectable airport with direct flights to most of the country, I think it would have surpassed the SLC metro area some time ago. Better laws. The city itself has outgrown SLC proper. But it has no pro major sports teams, a tiny airport, and no real mass transit. A beautiful area over all though. Especially north and northwest of there. Micron has been good for that town.

Not saying they’re rubes …

By BenBoy • Score: 4, Insightful Thread

but perhaps I’m a bit jaded?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Linus Torvalds Endures A Debug Session From Hell, ‘Enormously Helped’ By AI

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Linus Torvalds says AI "enormously helped” him track down a stubborn Intel Xe graphics driver bug that took 24 debugging patches and 18 kernel boots to isolate. “I’d like to call it my tireless helper, but the AI several times stated flat out that this was impossible and unsolvable and that we should just write a report about it,” wrote Torvalds on the commit. “I suspect those things have been trained by people who may not be quite as stubborn as I am…” Phoronix reports:
The patch by Linus Torvalds is for the Xe kernel driver and the change is no longer hand out the flat Compute Command Streamer (CCS) storage as usable vRAM. On a Battlemage G21 graphics card, he was hitting a scenario where there was a mismatch where the usable memory ended and hit a case where the GDM display manager would end up being endlessly restarted. […]

Linus Torvalds views AI as a useful tool and in this case reaffirmed he found it “enormously helped” his effort in tracking down this Intel graphics driver bug. The Intel Xe driver fix is merged to Linux 7.3 Git and is also marked to back-porting to the stable kernel branches.

I’ve noticed that too

By 93 Escort Wagon • Score: 4, Informative Thread

“I’d like to call it my tireless helper, but the AI several times stated flat out that this was impossible and unsolvable and that we should just write a report about it,” wrote Torvalds on the commit.

I’ve been using Claude a bit lately, and I have noticed sometimes, if you’re hashing through a task and having to iterate, it can get into a mode where it more or less tells you it’s probably not worth spending more time on it. Also it does seem to love volunteering to write reports for some reason (without my having asked for one).

That’s just it, it’s a tool.

By thegarbz • Score: 3 Thread

It’s not your secretary. It’s not your friend. It’s not your therapist. It’s not a replacement for your staff. It’s not an artist. It’s not a musician. It’s not the second coming of Christ as Sam Altman want’s you to believe.

It’s a fucking tool!

In case you were wondering:

By Gravis Zero • Score: 3 Thread

Intel Xe (abbreviation for “exascale for everyone”[2]), earlier known unofficially as Gen12, is a GPU architecture developed by Intel.

I’m wondering if this is for the one of the graphics cards he uses for AI.

Re:That’s just it, it’s a tool.

By barc0001 • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

Sam Altman and the rest of the AI Bros are desperate to have everyone think these tools are incredible and will transform society. Dean Kamen thought that about ‘It/Ginger’ as well, as did a lot of the early viewers of it, and yet no transformation has happened other than now the Segway is a weird novelty and cheap Chinese ‘hoverboards’ have eaten what little market it actually had.

AI is going to be somewhere in the middle as there are uses for the tool, but nowhere near the adoption they need. I’ve noticed a lot of people are now using ChatGPT and Gemini and others instead of doing traditional search engine searches, so that is driving use for now but as time passes the AI rot will make those results less useful. And the real elephant in the room - cost. 99.9% of the people using it now for free will never pay for it if it becomes a paid service only, so many of the revenue projections are completely out to lunch.

This is why the Bros are desperate to push it into every crevice, so that some of it sticks and will have to be paid for. But they overestimate how willing everyone is to pay.

Walmart To Finally Start Accepting Apple Pay and Google Pay

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After years of refusing to adopt tap-to-pay technology in its stores, retail giant Walmart announced today that it is finally accepting payments via both Apple Pay and Google Pay. The rollout begins August 24 at select Walmart and Sam’s Club locations and is expected to reach all stores by year-end. It will then expand to fuel stations by mid-2027. TechCrunch reports:
The news is a surprise, as Walmart has long refused to adopt the ubiquitous payment technology to instead promote its own in-house solutions, like Walmart Pay and Scan-and-Go. In years past, Walmart even teamed up with other big retailers in an attempt to take down Apple Pay entirely with an alternative mobile payment system of their own, called CurrentC. The effort failed and was shut down back in 2016.

All the while, Walmart customers have begged the company to support modern tap-and-pay technology, like Apple Pay, which is now accepted at 85% of retailers across the U.S., including most larger stores.

For Walmart, the decision reads as a defeat. As one of the world’s largest retailers, it believed it could push customers to its own payment solutions despite the growing adoption of Apple Pay and others of its kind. Ultimately, it had to admit that it was disadvantaging its own customers in the process.

lets not forget

By k3v0 • Score: 5, Interesting Thread
apple pay is also more secure so they were actively reducing customer financial security

They were never going to win this one

By lusid1 • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

You could use ApplePay everywhere but Walmart, or you could use “WalmartPay” at walmart and only walmart. There was zero incentive to set that up when you could just dig out the physical card if you happened to find yourself in a walmart.

Don’t confuse “tap to pay”

By markdavis • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

>“After years of refusing to adopt tap-to-pay technology in its stores, retail giant Walmart announced today that it is finally accepting payments via both Apple Pay and Google Pay. "

The definition of “tap to pay” is not Google Pay and Apple Pay (or Samsung Pay or whatever). It is touching the reader with ANY device, including a physical credit card, and have it contactlessly and quickly completing the transaction.

All the Walmarts around here don’t allow you to “tap to pay” with anything; INCLUDING real physical credit cards. You have to insert the card and stand there, waiting, and waiting, and waiting. And in my case, 25% of the time, it fails and I have to try again. Every other merchant I can think of uses tap to pay with cards, except Walmart. And I don’t believe that ability would cost more than inserting the same exact card into a reader.

https://www.savingadvice.com/a…

The consensus seems to be that Walmart just wants to make using credit cards as inconvenient as realistically possible, in the hopes customers will just use their app or whatever.

Contactless credit card payments

By nmb3000 • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

Does this mean they will finally enable contactless credit cards on their POS terminals? They’ve refused to do it for years, requiring people to insert the chip into the reader, as an attempt to push people into using the Walmart app for payments.

Drives me fucking insane. Half the terminals have screwed up chip contacts in them requiring gymnastics to get it to read the chip and it’s so much slower than contactless processing. I’ve started intentionally failing the chip read twice so I can just swipe my card instead. Pretty sure it costs Walmart extra processing fees and is actually faster.

Contactless credit card payments at Walmart

By hwstar • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

The backstory. Walmart refuses to accept contactless payments because contactless payments are more secure, and your name and credit card info does not show up to be harvested when you use a contactless payment. They want your name an credit card info for their mountain of data they harvest.

If any group tried to lobby congress to phase out contact payments and instead require contactless payments, Walmart’s lobbyists would be on members of Congress riding them hard to kill such a bill.

If they eventually did lose access to your name and card number, they’d probably raise prices to cover the savings they saw by harvesting the data.

Google Gives Publishers a ‘Preferred Sources’ Button to Fight AI-Driven Traffic Losses

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Google is giving publishers a new way to fight declining referral traffic from AI-powered search by letting them embed a “Preferred Sources” button that readers can use to favor their sites across Search, Discover, and Google News. “The idea is to make it easier for readers to find links from the sites they know and trust when they’re searching for content or interacting with Google’s AI to learn about a topic or read the latest news,” reports TechCrunch. “As of May’s launch, the company said that people across the web had already selected over 345,000 unique sources through this method.” From the report:
Becoming a preferred source can drive more traffic to publishers’ websites, Google said. In earlier studies, it found that people are twice as likely to click through to a preferred source when available. By offering publishers these additional tools, Google is trying to assuage the damage that the rapid growth of AI-powered search features has had on traffic-dependent businesses.

Alongside the new button, Google said that readers will soon be able to customize their Discover feed in Google’s app in their own words. To use this feature, readers will tap any three-dot menu in the feed and then tell Google what topics they’d like to see more or less of, using natural language commands. This helps Google refine the feed in real time.

For how much?

By PPH • Score: 4, Funny Thread

AI: “Dat’s a nice little web site ya’ got there buddy. Shame if someting were to happen to it.”

Options missing

By ip_vjl • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

The idea is to make it easier for readers to find links from the sites they know and trust

should read:

The idea is to make it easier for Google to know which sites to more aggressively steal content from in order to power their AI.

Interestingly, if Google was about giving choice - they’d give you an option to turn off AI answers entirely in the search. But they don’t. But, at least they have safe search enabled so you don’t accidentally see a nipple.

All that is old is now new again

By crmarvin42 • Score: 4, Interesting Thread
The reason Google rose to dominance is that their algorithm accounted for trustworthiness. You didn’t need to know the site that had your answer, Google knew it, and ranked it at the top of your results. This is basically asking you to manually do what Google historically did automatically, which is to vet websites that might contain answers to your queries. All so that they can inject LLMs into a process that does not need them. Yet one more reason I’m glad I ditched Google.

Re:All that is old is now new again

By Jason Earl • Score: 5, Informative Thread

There was nothing automatic about Google’s trustworthiness. It simply counted up links that lead back to a particular page. If it had more links it was (supposedly) a better page. Almost immediately webmasters around the world started gaming the system. Google still restricts some of the things my account can do for hidden links that were added to some ads on websites that I ran in like 2001. GoDaddy and all of the other big web hosting companies of that era all rose to prominence on the strength of gaming the PageRank system.

I am sure that other industries tell the same story.

PageRank might seem trustworthy to you, but that’s only because you weren’t trying to game the system back in the day. I can assure you that, right from the start, people were abusing PageRank in precisely the same way that upsets you now. The only difference was that registering a domain back then cost $70 for two years, and you probably created the links you used to game the system by writing Perl. That raised the barrier to entry significantly. However, there was still real money to be made in that arena, and whether the winners paid Google directly, or paid for back links to their content (or both), I can guarantee you that the road to your trust was paved in money.

In the end Google has decided that the most reliable way to have publishers show that their information is trustworthy is to force them to pay for the privilege. Coincidentally that also happens to be the method that makes Google the most money. For years an entire SEO industry has thrived around the idea that if you pay someone enough money they can trick Google to steal your information instead of your competitors. Now we are finally at the endgame and Google doesn’t even send traffic. They simply summarize the information for their customers. Chances are excellent that you don’t even leave the google.com domain.

Google’s competitors are simply doing the same thing at a different domain. All of them make their money by charging publishers to show up prominently in search ranks. Whether you are rooting for Oceania, Eurasia, or Eastasia it’s Big Brother all of the way down.

New Youtube Slogan

By allo • Score: 3 Thread

Don’t forget to like, subscribe and prefer us as source for your Google searches!

Microsoft Gives Task Manager Another Task: Watching AI Workloads

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Microsoft is expanding Windows Task Manager to show per-process NPU and GPU neural-engine usage, giving users more visibility into which apps are consuming hardware for AI workloads. The Register reports:
The Processes tab can show NPU use alongside CPU and GPU activity, while the Performance tab displays overall utilization. […] Microsoft was keen to point out the metrics that can be monitored. “As AI workloads become more common on Windows devices, visibility into NPU and GPU neural engine utilization can help you make better-informed decisions,” the company said. “With the latest Task Manager improvements, you can monitor AI processing activity alongside CPU, memory, storage, and networking data from a familiar interface.”

humble opinion

By fluffernutter • Score: 3 Thread
It seems like every team in Microsoft is trying to attach AI to the part they work on whether it makes sense or not.

Re:humble opinion

By gtall • Score: 4, Funny Thread

While Wall Street IS dominated by stupid people with a lot of money, but so are Americans; yer basic Americans have been propping stock prices back up every time there is a dip. And WS cares about a lot more than AI, you are only following the Street from the 20,000 foot level. Get closer to ground level and you’ll see just how complex is their business.

Lately, some parts of WS has been getting the jitters about how much of a matzo ball AI has hanging out there, specifically the hyper-scalers and the circular financing with which they have been engaged. All the while the Chinese with their open models threaten to blow a gigantic hole in any future riches Sam Altman and Dario Amodei go to sleep counting.

Company CEOs, e.g., over-excited right wingnut Chihuahuas like Ellison, are not WS, they have their own FOMO disease; they are programming to yip excitedly whenever they sniff a new butt of technology.

The Fed. Gov. has been promoting the alleged administration’s industrial policy of promoting anything that el Bunko thinks will get him more money. So we have corporate leeches like Howard Lutnick telling Apple to buy Intel chips for no financial reason other than the Fed. Gov. bought a stake in Intel. Now, we cannot even count on capitalists to be anything more than fascist stooges. Check out how his sprogs have “benefited” by him burying his nose in el Bunko’s ass.

Lutnick came from Cantor Fitzgerald, which is a global financial services firm, i.e., the do “deals”. He sees everything in terms of financial investment. The idea that there may be social costs to his schemes is not something he can comprehend. He is also entirely blind to environmental costs. He has the intellectual depth of dime.

Re:What is the purpose of any of this?

By gtall • Score: 4, Funny Thread

“The DoD became the Department Of War and lost their very first war.” Yes, but they lost it in the name of Jesus. Let us all now bow our heads in thanks that we have Christian nation able to blow up boats in the Caribbean without even knowing what is in them. It turns out that if you do not love your fellow man, then it is okay to kill them. It is all in the New Golden Bible brought you by el Bunko for $49.99 a pop, $99.99 if you get the version with the Golden Embossed Lettering.

Catch up!

By Sloppy • Score: 3 Thread

Ha ha, Linux already has..

# top -o gpu
top: unrecognized field name ‘gpu’

.. d’oh! Never mind.

China Is About to Launch Its Most Ambitious Moon Mission Yet

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China’s Chang’e 7 mission is set to launch for the moon’s south pole, where it will attempt the first-ever landing directly at the pole and search the region’s dark craters for water ice. “It’s an amazing mission,” says Norbert Schorghofer, a Hawaii-based senior scientist at the Planetary Science Institute. “There has never been a landed mission to find water [on the moon].” If successful, China “will be the leader in lunar science,” Schorghofer adds. Scientific American reports:
Chang’e 7, China’s seventh moon mission, is scheduled to launch on a Long March 5 rocket from the coastal Wenchang Space Launch Site on the island of Hainan, with the launch window opening on the morning of August 24 local time (the evening of August 23 EDT). The mission includes an orbiter, as well as a lander, which totes a rover and a novel “hopping” robot. The spacecraft will take up to six days to reach lunar orbit, where it will then spend two months preparing for a November landing meant to be a near bull’s-eye on the lunar south pole. The mission also includes equipment from several international partners, highlighting China’s growing global influence — both on and off Earth.

The mission’s lunar target is Shackleton Crater, a 21-kilometer-wide (13-mile-wide) pit with a rim that grazes the moon’s south pole. No other spacecraft has ever landed so close. That proximity should allow Chang’e 7 to prospect for water ice trapped in smaller depressions near Shackleton that, because of the moon’s tilt, never see sunlight and have temperatures just a few dozen degrees above absolute zero. “There are big reservoirs of ice water at the poles,” says Simone Dell’Agnello, a physicist at Italy’s National Institute for Nuclear Physics.

No one knows, however, just how big those reservoirs are or what their actual distribution is across the lunar south pole’s crater-pocked desolation. And because that ice might be used as for manufacturing rocket fuel or to make potable water for thirsty astronauts, answering those questions is key for the U.S.‘s and China’s competing plans to construct crewed lunar outposts.

Significance

By AmiMoJo • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

If they do find ice there, it’s going to be huge. And an issue for the US, because everyone wants to go look there, but if the Chinese find it first it will be politically difficult to justify following their lead.

Unfortunately cooperation is too much to hope for, but it looks likely that China will get boots on the ground there before 2030 either way.

Re:Significance

By stabiesoft • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
I’d say Russian/US coop in space has waxed and waned over the years. We are in a waning period. Space station will end and I expect so will the cooperation, causing a complete rip. US under current administration has advocated for a US first policy. That policy extends in every direction including space.

Re:Significance

By jacks smirking reven • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Russia needs to leave Ukraine, China needs to come to terms with Taiwan and the US needs to sort it’s shit out with Iran. Nobody can really work together if these countries are all acting like jerks on the world stage like it’s 1826 instead of 2026. .

Right now all 3 nations are led by manifestations of each nations worst aspects and what’s worse is that for the case of the US we chose this bullshit.

Re: And they have a really important supporter

By BytePusher • Score: 4, Interesting Thread
The U.S. and corporations do too. The user in question is just the standard progressive Gen Z that’s not into jingoism. Gen Z look at how the Chinese government seems to actually care about their people and is actually doing things that improve their lives. In the U.S. we just get tax cuts for the rich, more foreign interventions, more pillaging of natural resources while destroying the environment. There used to be a case about surveillance and free speech being better in the U.S. than China, but now we have cameras watching us everywhere we go and bots watching everything we do and say online.

Re: And they have a really important supporter

By MachineShedFred • Score: 5, Informative Thread

sick and tired of democrats fraud and waste and failed promises.

So they vote for the convicted fraudster who lies more often than he inhales breath, and hasn’t fulfilled a single promise other than tax breaks for billionaires.

Speaking of which, I can’t help but notice:
- the Ukraine / Russia war is still going, despite a promise to end it on day 1. We are currently on day 578.
- prices at the grocery store on average are higher than they were in 2024. There was a promise to fix that on day 1. We are currently on day 578.
- we were told no new wars. We have been in a war with Iran for 6 months now, with no actual goals enumerated, no actual goals achieved, and no “light at the end of the tunnel” in sight to the point where even cabinet secretaries are saying they don’t know when it will end YESTERDAY in a media appearance.
- we were told of how bad the “autopen” was, and yet Trump pardoned a shitload of criminals that were convicted or pled guilty to their charges with the “autopen.”
- we were told that the Epstein Files would be made public. That didn’t actually happen until Congress forced it, and even with that law the Department of Justice is questionably in violation - a subject of ongoing court proceedings.
- there was a vow to cut the debt and budget deficits during the campaign. He and his administration have already added 10% to the national debt in LESS THAN TWO YEARS even with all the DOGE bullshit that is actually costing us MORE money.
- we’re still waiting to hear about his health care plan, 10 years later. What’s that about?

If you want to go after fraud, waste, and failed promises you need to look behind you.

Are You Sure You Want a Car With a Giant Touch Screen?

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RAMageddon could soon push car prices higher as modern vehicles rely on ever more RAM and powerful centralized computers to run everything from infotainment to driver-assistance systems. Analysts cited by The Atlantic estimate the shortage could add a few percentage points to vehicle prices, which might not sound like much, but could potentially translate to around $2,000 on a $50,000 vehicle. The broader shift toward software-heavy vehicles could also make used cars even less affordable. An anonymous reader quotes an excerpt from the report:
Just like laptops, cars depend on microprocessors and RAM, or random-access memory, to run all of their computations. “There’s just a baseline level of tech, and thus a baseline level of cost, required of every vehicle,” Karl Brauer, the executive analyst at iSeeCars, an automotive-research platform, told me. Technology is a major reason the average price of a new car in the U.S. has reached some $50,000, and that was before RAM became one of the most prized commodities in the world. AI companies are snatching up as much memory as possible for their data centers, causing a RAM shortage that has significantly raised the prices of phones, laptops, and just about any consumer-electronic device. Cars are next.

[…] Over the next year, the memory shortage — sometimes known as RAMageddon — will likely raise vehicle prices by a few percentage points, on average, [said Sam Abuelsamid, an analyst at Telemetry and a former automotive engineer]. The relative amount would be smaller than the shocking double-digit jumps for gaming consoles and MacBooks but in some ways more significant: A 4 percent price hike for cars amounts to some $2,000 on average. Cars with those centralized computers will be affected the most, but no vehicle will be spared. “Even if you don’t need the high-end chips, you’re going to pay more even for the low-end chips just because of the supply constraint,” Abuelsamid said. On a recent earnings call, Ford’s chief financial officer said that the company had paid $1 billion in higher materials costs due to the memory shortage and inflation. GM and Volkswagen, too, have noted rising chip costs to investors. (Ford and GM did not respond to a request for comment. A spokesperson for Volkswagen told me that the company has “recognized an increased demand for memory chips, primarily driven by growing requirements in other industries,” and that in recent years, Volkswagen has taken measures to “mitigate supply risks.”)

RAMageddon is poised to last for several years, but the consequences for car buyers may be permanent. Consider what happened during the pandemic, when supply-chain disruptions and rising demand for electronics produced a major chip shortage. Nearly every major car company had to slash production because they simply couldn’t procure enough chips, and shifted their focus to selling higher-end and higher-profit vehicles. Potential customers already willing to spend six figures on a car are much less likely to care about a 5 or 10 percent price hike, [said Ivan Drury, the director of insights at Edmunds]. Even now, car companies are continuing to focus on selling more profitable models. Since the pandemic, the average price of a new vehicle has jumped $11,000.

The AI-fueled chip crisis could play out more severely. The average price of a new car could, before long, jump to $60,000 and beyond. These rising costs are making cars even more similar to computers and all of the software they run: Perhaps in an effort to mitigate higher prices, some automakers are also introducing in-car advertisements and putting certain features, such as heated seats, behind a paywall. As cars have morphed into computers, the inevitable next step is for automakers to behave like modern tech companies.

Re:No, I don’t.

By bloodhawk • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
yep even for ICE vehicles they can do the same. The Tesla model of everything as touch controls is fundamentally flawed and dangerous, most manufacturers are realising their is very good reasons to have physical buttons be it an EV or ICE or something in between.

I’m all-in on keeping my used cars going.

By PhantomHarlock • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Everything in this space lately has been a huge turnoff. Modern cars were never so physically capable, safe, and smooth handling, and yet they are absolute garbage in the human interface department. Giant touchscreens and gadgets are the equivalent of chrome and giant tailfins gone amok in the 1950s.

Quite happy with my 2016-era Mazda with a basic infotainment setup, bluetooth to my phone which has everything I need. My truck that I use to haul things occasionally is 26 years old. I have a bluetooth to cassette adapter in that one (a lawful-evil wedding of technology) and yet it works fine.

The wife has a Tesla, and while it has an amazing powertrain, it is just so aggravating to interface with in so many ways. No buttons for the mirrors. No buttons for the wiper. (there’s one button on the end of a stalk to activate the wiper+spray automatic thing) If you leave the auto-wiper on it randomly activates and smears the windshield in the driest of weather. The door handles are terrible. The lack of any kind of physical controls for climate and entertainment is terrible. It is super distracting to try to do anything while driving. It calls home to mother and reports on everything you’re doing. The auto dimming mirror, like all auto-dimming mirrors, doesn’t dim enough nor when you want it to. The adaptive cruise control constantly slams on the brakes on highways with grade level intersections or if you’re coming up on a hump on a road that hasn’t been graded flat. The insurance is sky high. The tires wear out quickly due to the weight, and are very expensive. Anything saved in gas is made up for in those other things.

You can see where they had all these ideas and just didn’t think them through. Whereas traditional auto manufacturers understand a lot of these things and even on their electric offerings still have plenty of physical buttons and not-ridiculous interface peculiarities. I got a ride in a friend’s Hyundai Ioniq5 a little ago and it was great. Felt like a regular car with lots of buttons. But they are priced as such that any savings in gas is made up for in the overall cost of ownership of the car. So you’re not doing it for that, you’re doing it just to have the other features of an electric car or feel better about yourself. I don’t feel it’s worth it for that. My cars are paid for and the daily driver is absurdly cheap to fuel and maintain, so I’ll stick with it until some sanity returns to the modern car market. (unlikely…)

anyone really want these ?

By Tom • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

I don’t know a single person who ever said that they want more or bigger touchscreens in their car.

Quite the opposite. I want physical controls and so do most people I’ve talked to. This is a car, not an iPad. Most of it I should be able to operate without taking my eyes off the road. And a touchscreen doesn’t offer that.

In fact, Euro NCAP agrees. If you want a 5-star rating, you need physical controls.

The only people who want touchscreens are the car manufacturers, because it’s cheaper and easier.

Re:No, I don’t.

By markdavis • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

>“A lot of the newer Chinese EV’s have a nice balance with a touch screen for all the controls and then a set of physical buttons and controls for all the things you commonly touch while driving”

That is also true of many Japanese vehicles. Nissan is doing it right, for example (my 2025 Ariya is great). Telsa is one of the worst offenders (they don’t even have a dashboard, just a center screen). VW was pretty bad. Korean is a mixed bag.

My advice is to REALLY examine what you are buying and make sure it has physical buttons for at least the primary functions:

Primary audio- volume, track, play/pause, mode
Primary HVAC- on/offf/temp/defog/recirc/vent positioning
All wiper/washer functions
All primary light functions
Mirrors
Primary seat controls
Shifter, drive modes, parking brake mode, brake hold
Locks and door/hatch/windows
Camera views/mode
Trip and primary info functions

Re: Or just maybe…

By Z00L00K • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Sorry, no, any touch screen interaction is requiring you to look at what you are pointing at.