Alterslash

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Contents

  1. As eMudhra Exits Cert Business, Users Face New PKI Trust Decisions
  2. Getty Images Files For US Bankruptcy, Advances Restructuring Plan
  3. Old Blood Cells Have Been Transformed Into Brain Stem Cells That Get Younger
  4. CIOs Admit They Are Being Forced To Upgrade Enterprise IT
  5. America’s Defense Department Is Building an ‘Elite New Tech Sabotage Agency’
  6. Ask Slashdot: Can AI Bots Really Write Most of Your Code?
  7. PHP Foundation ‘Under-funded’ With One Full-time Staff Member, Director Says
  8. What if the Anti-AI Writing Police Make a Mistake?
  9. Wolves Descend On Finnish Villages After Google Hacked Down 1,300 Acres of Trees
  10. California Cities Pull the Plug On Data Centers After State Regulations Don’t Scale Up Fast Enough
  11. Red-Teaming Evaluators Found ‘Novel’ Vulnerabilities in OpenAI’s Internal Agent Monitoring System
  12. Python Removed Wikis for 8 Months to Escape AI Crawlers, Relaunches on GitHub Pages
  13. Ex-Police Officer Kept Using Flock Five Years After Leaving the Force
  14. OpenAI Says It’s Cutting Off Internet Access For Frontier Model Training
  15. Crows Can Evaluate Visual Info Twice As Fast As Mammals

Alterslash picks up to the best 5 comments from each of the day’s Slashdot stories, and presents them on a single page for easy reading.

As eMudhra Exits Cert Business, Users Face New PKI Trust Decisions

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“As of 2026, the company has issued more than 60 million digital certificates,” notes Wikipedia. But now, InfoWorld reports:
A certificate authority’s decision to abandon the global SSL/TLS market is exposing a weakness many organizations rarely examine: their dependence on complex PKI trust chains. Following the compromise of private keys behind eight of its intermediate certificate authorities, eMudhra is exiting the global SSL/TLS certificate business and is offering customers Sectigo-issued replacements… [In a press note the company added] that data sovereignty and compliance requirements had increased the business’s complexity and cost… The company said it will contact affected customers to replace certificates free of cost. It also said it will keep revocation and certificate status services running until every issued certificate has expired or been replaced…

Yash Kadakia, co-founder and CTO of Security Brigade, said that moving to another root operated by the same company does not necessarily address concerns over trust and governance. “The last thing organisations need is to migrate twice,” Kadakia said.
But there’s another concern, the article points out. “Analysts warn that enterprises may discover they have only limited visibility into the certificate hierarchies underpinning critical services.”
Replacing a website’s certificate may not address every dependency in an enterprise environment, according to Sakshi Grover, research director at IDC. She said residual exposure lies in systems that maintain their own trust stores and do not update on the same schedule as browsers. These include Java keystores, language runtimes, container images, mutual TLS configurations, proxies, load balancers, VPN and security appliances, and embedded devices. “The harder finding for many organizations will be that they can’t answer these questions at all,” Grover said, referring to where certificate trust decisions are made outside browsers and operating systems…

Grover recommended that security teams first identify where trust decisions occur outside browsers and operating systems, prioritising systems that accept connections from external parties and mutual TLS endpoints. Teams should then determine which systems can be updated to distrust a specific intermediate certificate or public key, she said.

Getty Images Files For US Bankruptcy, Advances Restructuring Plan

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Reuters reports:
Last week, Getty announced plans to file for bankruptcy, marking a major reset after its planned merger with rival Shutterstock collapsed under the weight of heavy debt and growing competition from AI-generated imagery.

Getty said the affiliates of the Getty family and Koch Equity Development, which committed to provide up to $533 million in new equity, will own 100% of the company after the restructuring

It’s hard to compete against things like the DALL-E image generator.
Long-time Slashdot reader schwit1 quips that maybe “It’s hard to compete against things like the DALL-E image generator…”

DALL-E?

By Bobrick • • Score: 3 • Thread
I know the median age is fairly high on Slashdot but jfc nobody’s heard of DALL-E in years, get with the times grandpa!

One of the most tech advanced companies

By SumDog • • Score: 3 • Thread
I worked for GettyImages for a year and a half on their asset management team doing Scala development in Seattle. It was honestly one of the most technologically advanced teams and companies I had ever worked with. If they decided to move from platform x to y, it would be done in 3 months, where other shops would take three years. All our services had full unit tests. We confidently pushed out releases and breakage/outages were rare. The platform team was 11 people and they were all amazing; able to roll out incredibly well designed changes in weeks long before the LLM era.

There was still tech debt in the company (I was tasked with fixing someone’s shitty 1,000 line Perl script because there was a whiny little bitch on another team who refused to point to our new thumbnail server cluster which did everything their shitty script did, but in real time). But overall, the tech debt was far lower than any other place. We had a Principal Engineer who gave up a job at NASA to work at Getty.

I did have trouble with some of their copyright trolling issues, but even the lawyers I talked to there had some interesting arguments for various court cases I brought up, which really made me think.

Kinda sad they’re at this point. Technologically, they were very far ahead, and I learned a lot while I worked there.

Old Blood Cells Have Been Transformed Into Brain Stem Cells That Get Younger

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“Scientists have transformed old blood cells into young brain stem cells, which continued to grow younger as they grew older,” reports ScienceAlert:
Cellular transformations can be done in two main ways. The first, more circuitous route turns a specific cell back into a pluripotent stem cell, or an embryonic “blank slate,” and then into a different cell type. The second method involves a “direct conversion,” which skips the middle stage and directly transforms a cell into a different type. “Using this method, we have directly converted red blood cell precursors into neural stem cells,” summarizes Oliver Brüstle, the director of the Institute of Reconstructive Neurobiology at the University Hospital of Bonn…

The researchers used a virus to deliver two transcription factors, or proteins that attach to DNA to regulate gene activity, to get the cells to change their types. Then they used two genome-bloodhounding methods — DNA methylation measures and RNA sequencing — to track the resultant anti-aging effects and genetic behavior. By the 12th day after the viral “infection,” the cells started showing their new identity, ditching their blood-like proteins and replacing them with the expression of neural-like proteins instead. Initially, the epigenetic age (the DNA changes accumulated over time) of the EPCs was highly correlated with the chronological age of their donors [but] the neuronal stem cells kept getting younger as they got older… Over the following 50 to 100 days, they kept de-aging, eventually reaching about 5 percent of the donor age, with the majority of epigenetic age-related traits resetting by around 50 days of the conversion process…

In effect, the converted cells became 60 years younger in 50 days, the researchers note in their official statement.
The researchers, from the University Hospital of Bonn and the University of Bonn, in Germany, described their methods in the journal Aging Cell.

Believe it if you will

By HiThere • • Score: 3 • Thread

There is no good marker for the “age” of a cell. Mutations tend to accumulate over life, and there’s a reason for the Hayflick limit (even if it isn’t universal).

Manipulating cells so that they will continue dividing is dangerous to whoever gets them. It may be necessary, but don’t fool yourself about its danger. This sounds like a recipe for brain cancer.

CIOs Admit They Are Being Forced To Upgrade Enterprise IT

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Computer Weekly reports:
A Censuswide survey of 2,018 CIOs and senior IT decision-makers at large organisations in the US and UK for independent software maintenance provider Origina has found that organisations spend almost $13m on upgrades pushed by IT providers. On average, 28% of enterprise software budgets go on upgrades, migrations and licensing changes driven by their IT suppliers. IT leaders who took part in the study reported that their organisation would not have actively chosen to upgrade…

The research published in Origina’s The Software Tax report, in partnership with Thinkers50, suggests these costs have shifted the balance of power between buyers and sellers. Customers exercise choice once, at the point of purchase. After that, control over the timing and terms of change passes largely to the IT supplier. Out of those surveyed, 78% agree their primary provider of enterprise software, rather than their own organisation, sets the timing and terms of change. A similar proportion said they would have no meaningful choice but to accept if a major enterprise IT provider changed its commercial terms. Some 76% said their organisation has very little real leverage in negotiations, and 80% said moving away from major IT suppliers would cause significant disruption…

Marshall Van Alstyne, professor at Boston University and co-author of The Software Tax, said: “Economists have studied this problem for decades: once a customer makes relationship-specific investments, the vendor gains leverage that no contract can fully anticipate. For CIOs, the lesson is simple: negotiate the exit before the entry. You don’t have to leave a vendor to benefit from being able to.”
The problem can be summarized succinctly, says Tomás O’Leary, CEO/founder of Origina and co-author of The Software Tax.

“The market has left some of the most experienced technology leaders in the world with little room to refuse, and that cost shows up in budgets, in engineering time and in innovation that never gets funded. We want to make that cost visible so customers can start to take back control of it.”

Proprietary software needs to be abandoned.

By AleRunner • • Score: 3 • Thread

FOSS software of course also has an upgrade cycle however there are really major differences

LDAP and Linux are freely licensed

By OrangeTide • • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

Hire up 5-10% more IT and technical writing staff to support and train your regular and engineering staff. You don’t need ActiveDirectory, Exchange, and Windows for 90% of your team. Cost for support and licensing is a tiny fraction of Microsoft, etc. and you have more flexibility on when upgrades are forced on you with free or cheap support on a version fork going out to 5 years or more. There are handful of enterprise components that are not easily found in open source. Sometimes you can do without them, or only a certain group within the org needs them. Othertimes you can get contractors to build what you need and a small support staff to maintain it. Especially if you can leverage it as an enhancement to an existing open source project.

There is no such thing as legacy anymore

By xack • • Score: 3 • Thread
If it’s not actively patched and supported, it’s a sitting duck to coding AI and botnets of vulnerability scanners. Like it or not if you don’t want to update something, disconnect it from the internet AND the sneakernet by disabling inputs as well.

There are still 0.4% of people in denial and still running Windows 7 as well according to Statcounter, they are going to get just desserts if they don’t install Linux or force an upgrade to Windows 11.

I’ve been on both sides of the argument when it comes to legacy systems, but the old ways are obsolete and AI has caused what I call “naked computing”, where all vulnerabilities are found almost immediately.

Or to put it another way …

By AntisocialNetworker • • Score: 3 • Thread

Most CIOs would rather let their software moulder away; Who needs to respond to CVE’s anyway?

America’s Defense Department Is Building an ‘Elite New Tech Sabotage Agency’

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America’s Defense Department “has spent months quietly building an elite new tech agency,” reports Politico, “to help covertly disrupt and sabotage foreign technology programs considered threats to American military superiority.”
Information on the Technology Support Office, or TSO as it is called internally, is nearly impossible to find on Pentagon websites, and the agency is mentioned by name only in several previously unreported Defense Department historical records and memoranda. While the specifics of its work are highly classified, POLITICO spoke with 12 current and former U.S. national security officials with varying degrees of knowledge about TSO to understand how the agency came to be, the broad contours of its mission and why its operations are shrouded in secrecy…

[The Pentagon’s Defense Secretary and Deputy Defense Secretary] established TSO quickly and without attracting outside scrutiny because they largely built the agency by reorganizing two classified Pentagon intelligence programs that have conducted similar clandestine tech-sabotage efforts at a smaller scale since 2023. But by creating an agency dedicated to expanding that work, the Defense Department is signaling its intent to ramp up a range of aggressive covert activities abroad — potentially including cyberattacks, supply chain disruptions and disinformation operations. Many of the people who spoke to POLITICO argued that the aggressive new initiative is needed to help the Pentagon counter foreign adversaries they say are harnessing artificial intelligence and advanced commercial technologies, such as drones, in creative ways that could erode America’s military advantage…

While TSO lacks the legal authority to conduct clandestine operations directly, it works closely with senior U.S. military and intelligence officers to develop cutting-edge tools and strategies to disrupt adversaries’ access to critical defense technologies — or subvert them from afar. TSO is staffed with engineers, special operators and intelligence officers, and its work spans everything from building bespoke hacking tools to planning elaborate deception operations that trick adversaries into installing faulty components — likely designed by TSO — in key foreign weapons platforms. TSO’s overarching goal is to “buy time or stop adversaries from developing technologies” that would most threaten the U.S. military in a major conflict, said a former U.S. intelligence official who worked closely with the agency… A second former Pentagon official and a former U.S. national security official said the agency has told some defense contractors it’s interested in offensive hacking capabilities. The former senior Pentagon intelligence official estimated that its budget for classified contracts alone is likely north of $1.5 billion.

They are seeking contractors on “the leading edge of technology,” that official said, and hope to procure “a whole host of tools wherever your imagination can go.”
Pentagon staff had been exploring the need for a new agency for over a year, the article explains. Creating a new agency with its own budget and procurement powers “would empower the agency to more quickly integrate cutting-edge tech from the private sector,” Pentagon staff concluded, “and think more strategically about which foreign defense technologies pose the biggest threats across U.S. military organizations.”

“Several people who spoke to POLITICO support TSO’s mission but worry that the secrecy surrounding its work could embolden current Pentagon leadership to carry out missions that flout international law or funnel coveted classified contracts to political allies.”

Thanks to long-time Slashdot reader schwit1 for sharing the news.

Spoiler alert

By Rujiel • • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread
It will probably be applied domestically more than it is internationally

The expendable allies

By NotEmmanuelGoldstein • • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

… have conducted similar clandestine tech-sabotage …

But this department is aimed at the USA’s economic allies. The countries the USA sells bombs and bullets to, but don’t have a dedicated defense treaty with: Which means most of NATO.

I used the word “expendable” in the title but once upon a time, that meant “if you’re not Canada”

Is the current Europe unrest part of this?

By nikkipolya • • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

Is the current unrest happening all over Europe part of their small scale sabotage to keep Europe behind?

"… planning elaborate deception operations that trick adversaries into installing faulty components — likely designed by TSO.”

That is what the US has been alleging China is doing. So this then is a copy-paste from China’s “TSO” book of tricks.

aka terrorism.

By Meekrobe • • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread
nt

Re:Elite Sabotage Agency?

By fahrbot-bot • • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

Oh. Republicans.

And pretty sure “Elite” means something different after the DOGE purge …

Ask Slashdot: Can AI Bots Really Write Most of Your Code?

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Tablizer (Slashdot reader #95,088) writes:
A recent Slashdot poll showed roughly 15% said bots write most their code. But in my experience, I generally find bots don’t and can’t understand very specific domains. The rules often come from institutional habits and/or arbitrary-seeming government policies and regulations.

So what exactly are the bots doing for you?

If there are regular patterns they’re milking, why can’t those patterns just be factored into modules and functions? So I’m skeptical of “AI writes most of my code”. Something smells off!
The real question might be whether bots can still write your code if there’s domain-specific rules and habits. So share your own thoughts and experiences in the comments.

Can AI bots really write most of your code?

Yes.

By bmajik • • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

Use a paid subscription to a frontier model. Make sure it knows how to run your build and run your tests.

If you’re worried, have it write tests. Look at the tests; see if they look like the right tests.

Tell it to ask you questions if it needs to resolve something ambiguous. Have it explain what it thinks it should do to the code. Ask it probing questions if you aren’t sure it understands. Ask it about design tradeoffs.

I have yet to find a problem where AI generated code doesn’t get me at least 90% of the way there. Multi-domain, multi-language, multi-platform. That includes stuff I was doing a year ago. It’s gotten dramatically better in 2026.

If someone has an example of a software engineering problem that AI actually did really badly on, I would like to know the model and see the prompts. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist. I’m saying I haven’t seen it yet, and I’m really curious.

I’ve done software development professionally since the 1990s. I started coding on the Apple ][ in 5th grade. I’ve had AI do the wrong thing, or misunderstand something, or miss something that seemed obvious to me. But on all of those same criteria; I’ve had human software engineers do far worse, far more often.

They can, but you can never trust it

By T34L • • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

I’ve had many moments where I used an LLM to make something from scratch, and have been extremely impressed in how good the implementation was and how much time I spared at the (likely still very underpriced, I am expecting a rugpull there) expense it cost me.

The issue is, you do this three, four times and get reasonably functioning implementations. Often ugly, but whatever. I have use for a lot of temporary tools that really serve to explore something in a mixed analysis-prototype kinda regimen, that makes even un-maintainable proof of concept kinda thing that I can hammer out in 15 minutes of writing the spec and waiting for an hour to get a whole working program.

The issue is, the fifth time, the thing shits the bed and misunderstands something fundamental and in such a an incredibly inhumanely weird way that it can poison a knowledge base with a completely wrong conclusion, and if you don’t approach the LLM wit a borderline adversarial level of suspition and mistrust, you may never notice, and particularly enabled by the high speed of development you now have thanks to the elements, you end up with it deep in the foundation of your work, potentially poisoning days and days of effort that follow.

And while the overall code quality is improving and the whole thing gets faster, and cheaper, and like, median-decision smarter, the long tail of LLM-exclusive idiot moments persist, and the moment you wholly surrender the codebase to only ever touching it via the LLMs, they’ll ruin your day more and more often as time goes on. And before you know it, you’re using most of your newfound productivity to chase down these fuckin’ quantfart landmines, just to eventually enjoy the ultimate infuriation of the LLM telling you that thing you just found really is an obvious error it should have noticed the first time, acting like it’s all good.

Sometimes, I wonder how often LLMs bury a landmine that takes a company down. They made sure there’s no accountability. You’re always responsible for the code you didn’t write. Nobody will ever be able to come after Anthropic with the damages a customer sued them for. So, what happens when nobody is reading the code? What happens when nobody is left in the company that *can* read the code? I think this will become an increasingly frequent issue.

I do concur there’s utility to LLMs and I do expect to use them for the rest of my life. I suspect the difference between me and never-LLM-ers is that, I admit it, I never enjoyed coding in the first place. It’s just one of those things where, for most of my life, it was the one skill I had any degree of knack on that put bread on the table with minimal effort required on my part. Now instead of coding and hating it, I have to wipe the drool off an LLM’s chin, hating it. I don’t think it’s elevating me as a person. I’m not sure it elevates the projects I work on. I kinda don’t care. I’ve never been passionate about programming. I’ve been passionate about being able to afford food and living space. Fuck coding, and fuck coding with LLMs.

Yep

By ichthus • • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread
I currently use qwen 3.8 27b on a system with a couple of RTX 3060s that I bought on ebay for personal coding projects. I’ve been a firmware engineer professionally for a couple of decades, and I recently wanted to branch into mobile app development. Last year, I bought a book on React to learn cross-platform app dev. But, last month I built this pieced-together system for local AI and have come to the conclusion that I will never need to learn a new programming language again. This lil’ bastard does everthing!

And, professionally, my employer pays for a top-tier subscription that’s able to code, run command line tools, build and install firmware, and even connect to a logic analyzer and debug data lines.

Yes, “AI bots” can write most of your code, if you’re able to clearly explain what’s needed in your planning and action prompts. And, beyond that, AI can examine an existing code base, very clearly explain its function, and provide recommendations for refactors and other improvements.

At this point, it hasn’t replaced me as an engineer, but it’s definitely augmented my abilities it in a way that “paired programming” and other stupid Agile-touchy-feely methodologies never could.

Yes

By Aristos Mazer • • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

All of it. Have not written a line in high-security, safety conscious, real-time precision application since February. Started off with small functions one by one. Now it is designing multiple parallel ops. I and my team review everything. Yes, we find bugs, and LLM fixes them. Total cycle time cut from days to minutes. Never going back. Expect the end of professional human software development before I retire. I am learning to transition to systems engineering.

Re:Yes.

By Anonymous Brave Guy • • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

I don’t think it’s usually about what AI “did really badly on” at this point. It’s more about whether the overheads of adding all the guard rails and then reviewing and correcting all the output end up costing at least a similar amount to just writing the code yourself.

For a junior developer, I’d say frontier models passed their standard some time ago. Today’s LLMs routinely write code at the level of a competent junior-mid but with the advantage of an inhumanly broad knowledge base.

For a good senior, I’m much less convinced. The frontier models are hit-and-miss when it comes to writing good test suites, which matters a lot when they rely on tests so heavily to reach acceptable quality. IME, they are still mostly miss when it comes to the business insight that seniors will take into account and design/architecture decisions that keep the code manageable as it evolves. While they have become much better at recognising existing patterns in the code, and I would say they follow them reasonably well the majority of the time now, there are still bizarre anomalies that creep in, and they aren’t very good at extending those patterns when necessary.

I think AI advocates also tend to underestimate just how much time it takes to properly review what they are doing. Take a half-day Claude session to implement some new feature. It might take half an hour to give it the initial brief and then review its plan. Make a few edits and it’ll propose a new plan that is also long and detailed and has no edit markings to show what it changed so you have to review the whole thing, carefully and in detail, again to pick up the minor changes it also made for no obvious reason. Then you let it start doing its thing. You can’t really leave it unattended for long because it’ll stop to ask questions. Some of those questions might be whether it can run a screenful of ad-hoc Bash script to make some edits to your source files, because for some reason it decided not to show the actual edits as it usually would, so now you have to figure out what all the sed incantations are actually going to do while looking at those files in another editor or just trust it and then review all the changes properly later anyway. Sometimes it decides to change its plan mid-flight, but not always in a good way, and if you interrupt it to apply corrections or redirect, you break the neat plan flow it was in. Then you get to the end and you can finally see how everything it has done fits together, and you still need to review everything with the same care as you would with a junior developer’s code and probably apply a few fixes where it’s come up with weird names or not quite followed a pattern or imagined some instructions that were never there and made other changes in other parts of the system that should be out of scope.

If you read to the end of that last paragraph, you know how I typically feel at the end of a half day working with an agentic UI. And the thing is, I do those sessions as experiments fairly often to keep up with progress, but a lot of what I do is still written by hand, which gives me simple, objective data to compare the two ways of working and see whether the AI tools are really making me more productive once you take everything into account.

Currently, based on objective data comparing similar fully completed development tasks like for like, I still outperform agentic workflows using frontier models by about 25-50% on average, and I don’t have to pay anyone extra fees to do that, and subjectively I also find it more engaging to work that way. So I don’t really buy the hype about AIs making us all orders of magnitude more productive unless you’re happy to YOLO everything forever and take the much-discussed risks that comes with.

Personally, I think the optimum use of LLMs right now is probably not to use them for the whole coding workflow like that or rely on agentic tools, but to use them for tasks like answering quick questions about the existing code, doing research like a fancy search

PHP Foundation ‘Under-funded’ With One Full-time Staff Member, Director Says

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Cloudflare reported millions of attempts to exploit two serious PHP flaws this week. The PHP foundation has “no evidence hackers were able to exploit the vulnerabilities before they were disclosed,” reports Reuters, but the incident still shows how critical the three-decade-old programming language is.

“Yet the nonprofit foundation that supports PHP, which may underpin up to 70% of sites globally, operates on a shoestring budget.”
“We have one full-time staff member (that’s me) and 14 mostly part-time contractors,” Executive Director Elizabeth Barron of the PHP Foundation said via email in an interview on Friday. Board members are unpaid volunteers, and funding comes from donations and grants. The foundation works with outside researchers and companies, including OpenAI and cybersecurity firms Wiz and Calif, to investigate security flaws and coordinate fixes, including Wednesday’s patches… “We received no further indication from OpenAI, Wiz or Calif, with whom we’re working closely on this issue, regarding any issues on patched systems,” she said…

Recent events have shown how heavily companies and governments rely on PHP, Barron said. “Given that reliance, it is clear that PHP is incredibly under-funded.”
AI helps researchers find decade-old flaws, but “it is also increasing maintainers’ workloads,” the article points out. “The PHP project is receiving nearly twice as many proposed code changes as a year ago.” But unfortunately, the foundation’s executive director says “the number of contributors hasn’t doubled,” and reviewing contributions and bug reports requires “a massive amount of human input and experience.”

Wednesday the foundation said they hope to increase the number of knowledgeable engineers, but also “give the security team the resources it needs. We can only achieve this goal with funding from those who depend on PHP.”

Their blog post also acknowledged the first signs of the bug were discovered in 2024, but that work on a fix stalled and restarted repeatedly over months (when there was still no known path to remote code execution):
We won’t pretend otherwise: the delay was a structural failure, caused by both the security team’s decision process and its lack of resources. The security team has since started changing its processes, and that work continues, so that decisions can be made by majority and compromises are encouraged…

The coordinated disclosure of these vulnerabilities worked well until 2 days ahead of the targeted release date. On Tuesday, October 20th, at around 15:00 UTC, the two CVE IDs began circulating on online forums and social media… In response, the PHP project brought its pre-announcement forward [and also the release date for the patch. But as a result of the leak and pre-announcement] one of the security firms that had reported the issues mistakenly published a video. It showed their proof of concept working against a number of targets and revealed a few additional, though limited, details about the vulnerabilities. Copies of the deleted video started circulating on social media soon after. The video contributed to accelerated development of various exploitation proofs of concept, which then increased circulation on October 21st. Mitigation advice we started providing to a few critical infrastructure providers around Oct 20th 23:00 UTC, may have leaked as well. The PHP security team closely monitored and inspected appearing proofs of concept after the leak but did not identify any functional exploits at the time of release/public disclosure.

On October 21st at 07:41 UTC, more than six hours before the coordinated release, Chainguard unilaterally broke the embargo and published built images containing the fix. Like other distributors, Chainguard had received the patch in advance so its users could update the moment the vulnerabilities were disclosed. Any attacker could now study the fix in binary form while every other PHP user was still waiting for the release. This disregarded weeks of work by many parties toward a coordinated disclosure.
But the PHP Foundation also said Wednesday’s patch “shows the progress we’re making in how PHP security is handled.”
Once the full impact of the OOM problem was understood in August, the security team, the foundation, and the release managers delivered a fix for this deeply rooted problem across all supported branches, and distributions and LTS vendors received the patch ahead of time so their users can update quickly… We are now prioritizing measures to make sure vulnerabilities that need similarly complex fixes get resolved faster when they are reported in the future.
Thanks to Slashdot reader Mirnotoriety for sharing the news.

Obligatory xkcd

By Anonymous Coward • • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

xkcd 2347: Dependency

Time to move on

By Going_Digital • • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread
Having initially tried to get to grips with WebObjects back in the day, PHP was a fantastic way to get started building interactive websites. I really liked it at the time but have long since moved on. Sure PHP has come a long way since those early days, but it carries decades of technical debt with it, as difficult as it can be for some people, it is time to move on. I moved to Go about 5 years ago and haven’t looked back, there are other options out there as well. I get that recreating projects like Drupal an Wordpress would be a major undertaking, but I am surprised that people are still using PHP for new projects in production, time to move on IMHO.

What if the Anti-AI Writing Police Make a Mistake?

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Writing contests face “a literary version of the ruined world” in Blade Runner, writes CNN. “Anxiety and suspicion about robot infiltrators are everywhere — and so are people claiming to hunt the robots down.”
Multiple companies now offer products that promise to spot the difference, with often contradictory, biased or erratic results. The makers of Pangram, an AI detection platform that has been cited as authoritative in many of the recent controversies, claim it can distinguish between human and synthetic writing with near-perfect accuracy… The company’s own estimates claim that false positives — in which the tool wrongly reports that a piece of human writing was created — are 1 in 10,000 and shrinking. Peer-reviewed studies from the University of Chicago and the University of Brussels support that claim, though one 2025 study from the University of Maryland found that Pangram erroneously labeled 2% of documents as AI.

A widely referenced 2023 Stanford study that found AI writing detectors produced higher rates of false positives on writing from non-native English speakers was conducted before Pangram was created. Pangram ran an internal study using a database of non-native English texts and self-reported that false positive rate was around 8 in 10,000… Given the thousands upon thousands of pieces of writing published each day, a 1 in 10,000 chance of a false accusation — let alone an 8 in 10,000 chance — means that even the most trusted AI detector is going to be wrong, and wrong about a lot of people.

Pangram isn’t able to tell users the truth about someone’s writing, but it is able to introduce something much more complicated: doubt. Unless an accused writer confesses to using an LLM, there is no bulletproof way to prove an accusation, short of being given full access to someone’s computer history and finding the chatbot prompts… To some people and institutions on the literary side, using automated AI writing detectors to fight the influx of AI writing is just trading one form of technological domination for another.
Pangram “has entered the public consciousness at a time of distrust that goes beyond writing,” CNN notes, when people want to block “at least some of the daily overflow of misinformation and misrepresentation” recently studied by John Warner, the author of More Than Words: How to Think About Writing in the Age of AI .

But he’s one of the people who believes AI-detecting tools can create a new dependence on another kind of machine. “Like all other technology of automation, that is going to de-skill people from discerning these things for themselves.”

So if you’re writing is so soulless and bad

By rsilvergun • • Score: 3 • Thread
That it can be mistaken for AI then well, shit man I’m sorry.

That said AI is fundamentally plagiarism on demand. This means that the same tools that have been developed for a long long time for detecting plagiarism will work just fine. The real problem is people are assholes and they will accuse people of using AI to write stuff and people will join in because people are assholes.

The solution is to start discouraging people from being assholes. But that is a big lift because behind every asshole is our competitive culture. We really like to turn absolutely fucking everything into a goddamn competition. Nobody can have any fun unless they are either making a shitload of money from it or they are the absolute best at it. It’s especially bad here in America where puritanical bullshit means that anything you do that isn’t inherently valuable is a moral failing on your part.

Basically fix the actual problems in society and dumb little problems like this go away. But that requires change that I don’t think anyone wants to make. A cooperative society would be better for everyone except a handful of assholes but well here we are

False positives

By almeida • • Score: 3 • Thread

My kid is taking a class in high school that involves a lot of writing. Essays are submitted online using a tool that checks for AI and plagiarism. You can see the score of your draft (and make edits) before submitting.

On one of the first assignments, said kid complained that the tool was reporting an AI score over 60% even though the writing was original work. Adding misspellings and run-on sentences lowered the score.

I tested the tool for myself by writing a paragraph on a random topic. I didn’t use AI tools. I didn’t even refresh my memory of the topic. I just wrote a few sentences based on what I remembered from the course when I took it 30 years ago. The tool said my completely original writing was over 50% AI.

The teacher has said that he expects students to have AI scores below 20%. I advised my kid to make handwritten outlines and drafts, to retain any printouts that they had marked up or highlighted, and to carry these with them to school every day so that they could be provided immediately to the teacher if there was ever an accusation. Short of filming yourself working from start to finish, I don’t see how you can prove you didn’t use AI.

Lots of people are going to get burned by this.

Wolves Descend On Finnish Villages After Google Hacked Down 1,300 Acres of Trees

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Google chopped down a quarter of a million trees in a rural Finnish town, reports the Guardian, noting that Google “illegally stripped the entire area… taking even the top soil with it… [A]ll that remains is a vast expanse of mud.”

Google was then ordered to temporarily stop work by the Finnish Licensing and Supervision Authority, because it turns out Google “failed to complete the necessary environmental impact assessments before clearcutting the land.” Futurism notes one result was wolves descending on a nearby village:
In the felling-site near the Finnish village of Otanmäki, the ensuing loss of prey has forced packs of wolves to search for food elsewhere: nearby villages. “We had wolves coming into the village because all the wild animals moved out of the forest,” 53-year-old Otanmäki resident Anni Ranta told the Guardian. “They fled.”
An ecologist estimates that an additional 150,000 trees were chopped at another data center site, according to the Guardian, and because the trees were illegally chopped down, they can’t be sold to timber companies.

And Futurism notes it’s just the latest ecological issue facing data center buildouts:
In West Virginia, a grove of critically endangered Chestnut trees is under threat of being bulldozed to make way for a new Anthropic hyperscale facility. Outside of Fort Wayne, a chunk of Indiana’s once-bountiful wetlands is being tilled to fit a new Google data center. In Southern New Jersey, a data center operator was recently slapped with a $1 million fine after inspectors uncovered 62 illegal gas generators belching exhaust into the surrounding environment.
Thanks to Slashdot reader fjo3 for sharing the news.

So much for do no evil

By Mspangler • • Score: 5, Funny • Thread

There are 640 acres in a square mile, so two square miles were cleared. So why does a data center need two square miles cleared? Haven’t they heard of a second floor?

Where did they get the greenhouse gas credits to make up for the two square miles of trees that are now CO2 producing compost?

At least tulips were pretty.

Re:So much for do no evil

By snowshovelboy • • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

trees don’t buy or watch ads

Re:Holy Unintended Consequences, Batman!

By ZombieCatInABox • • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

When will these villains learn that actions have consequences?

They know. They don’t care.

Re:Finnish Wolves Finish Fled Villages

By test321 • • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

Is it common for the Finnish government to issue permits when impact studies haven’t been done, or reviewed? What if they had done the study and it said that wolves will eat your fucking faces? Would they have issued the permit then?

Can you point at the place where you believe it says they had a permit to clear the forest? What I read from the paper is Google acted on its own assuming a certain (wrong) understanding of the law.

Re:So much for do no evil

By arglebargle_xiv • • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread
The headline should really say “A different set of wolves descended on Finland”. The first set were what caused the second set to descend.

California Cities Pull the Plug On Data Centers After State Regulations Don’t Scale Up Fast Enough

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“Across California, at least 26 resolutions, moratoriums, or bans on data center development have been passed or proposed since June,” reports the Associated Press, citing a count by the non-governmental organization Food & Water Watch:
California currently ranks third among U.S. states in overall data center density, according to independent trackers like the US Data Center Map, with the state home to 366 of such facilities that are either fully operational, under construction, or moving through the planning process. Local elected officials are proposing data center moratoriums to slow that momentum — if not stop it in its tracks. In the first half of October alone, Oakland’s city council unanimously approved a 45-day moratorium on new approvals, making it the first city in Alameda County and the fourth in the Bay Area to adopt such a measure. San Francisco approved a similar moratorium this month, while the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors postponed a vote to permanently ban large-scale data centers, often called hyperscale facilities, on unincorporated land after receiving an overwhelming volume of public feedback. In Santa Clara, city officials considered a moratorium vote, and are moving forward with new rules to govern data center development, including more stringent water and air pollution regulations. Alhambra residents will vote on a moratorium measure in the November election....

The escalating pushback underscores a widening gap between state-level regulation and municipal action. While Gov. Gavin Newsom last month signed into law seven new measures that focus primarily on disclosure requirements, environmental impact studies, and grid protection, grassroots groups and city councils are moving fast to halt construction entirely. “I have a hard time remembering something that caught fire the way the opposition to data centers has,” said Nicole Ghio, California Director at Food & Water Watch. “Local municipalities have been able to respond quicker to the grassroots wave of opposition of people saying, ‘Hold on, let’s press pause. Let’s actually figure out what we’re doing before we commit to this huge change....’"

As cities continue to draft temporary freezes and outright bans, the tension between local community control and global technological dominance remains unresolved. State transparency laws may have opened the books on data center growth, but local opponents are making it clear that seeing the plans isn’t the same as approving them.
The story was originally published by CalMatters, the nonprofit news organization covering California’s politics.

Maybe in California

By rsilvergun • • Score: 3 • Thread
But I saw something that only about 7% of data centers are failing to go through due to moratoriums and most of that 7% is a single project.

They’re just ignoring us. If we tell them no they just keep building the data center.

American spent 50 years undermining democracy and dismantling our institutions. We can’t expect them to save us or protect us now. We need to rebuild them and it’s going to take decades. And we need to learn what a moral panic is and why we should ignore it

Re:Ha Ha

By PPH • • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

A bit of income from the construction activity. And then from the revenue of half a dozen techs working in a basically empty building, swapping out bad hard drives and power supplies. Otherwise, it’s just bits going in and out. Good luck counting those bits as they cross state lines.

Tokens are bought and redeemed a long distance away from these DCs. So they appear, at the state level, as huge operating expenses with no offsetting revenue.

Red-Teaming Evaluators Found ‘Novel’ Vulnerabilities in OpenAI’s Internal Agent Monitoring System

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CNBC reports:
Nonprofit evaluators METR and Redwood Research on Thursday said they conducted a pilot review of an internal monitoring system at OpenAI… METR and Redwood said the exercise was designed for OpenAI to test what it would look like to give external researchers “a deep level of access” to its internal infrastructure. From July 21 to Aug. 11, an employee from each organization had access to OpenAI’s internal codebase, documentation and some technical staffers. The employees were chaperoned while on-site and used OpenAI-issued devices that “never left the premises,” according to a release.

The evaluators discovered several “novel vulnerabilities,” including an exploit that would allow agents to prevent “hundreds” of recent actions from being monitored. OpenAI told METR and Redwood that it has patched the identified vulnerabilities that impact its production safeguards, according to the release… OpenAI CEO Sam Altman pledged to grant independent evaluators "employee-like access" to the company in September, after Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei proposed the idea as part of his plan to slow the pace of AI development. Anthropic has since announced agreements with organizations like Accenture, METR and SecureBio. OpenAI said earlier this month that it’s “actively finalizing contracts with third-party safety assessors.”

Python Removed Wikis for 8 Months to Escape AI Crawlers, Relaunches on GitHub Pages

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In February the Python Software Foundation made its wikis read-only “due to excessive automated traffic and security concerns… that traffic turned out to be almost entirely AI bots that were trying to scrape the entire internet.”

But their infrastructure was also outdated, and this week they announced new wikis using GitHub Pages “that address the automated traffic and security concerns.”
The new wikis [for Python, Jython, and the PSF] will have a more modern front-end, as well as a permissions-based content management system for community members to make updates.

With the old wiki structure, we received a large volume of alerts at all hours, each serious enough to page and wake our on-call infrastructure staff, which is very limited (just one person currently, although this will be changing soon!). The quantity of scraping overloaded our servers, causing outages, which happened often enough that these issues required a significant amount of effort for the PSF staff to manage…

Additionally, some portions of the wikis were still built with Python 2. Python 2 reached end of life on January 1, 2020, and no longer receives upstream security fixes. Moving to a static site makes it very fast and reduces security risks, while also having the benefit of a more modern user interface… GitHub was chosen for the home of the new wikis as this is where CPython, python.org, and other properties the PSF hosts currently live. The hope is to continue to streamline the PSF’s hosting and stewardship of services to simplify for both PSF staff and the community folks who contribute to them. Previously, the Python and Jython wikis were user-editable by invitation of an existing editor and the PSF wiki was permissions based. Moving forward, all three of the wikis will be permissions based via the GitHub repository they are hosted on, and changes can be requested through pull requests by anyone in the community…

GitHub allows us to distribute granular control, review changes through pull requests, and maintain the uptime this service deserves. Also, since the site is now generated statically, it removes any worry about AI bots overwhelming the hosts that the wikis were previously hosted on.

They write themselves, folks

By drinkypoo • • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

Additionally, some portions of the wikis were still built with Python 2. Python 2 reached end of life on January 1, 2020, and no longer receives upstream security fixes.

Not even Python could keep up with having to update from Python 2 to Python 3.

And so the centralization continues

By karmawarrior • • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

genAI is killing the open Internet. Killing it.

Ex-Police Officer Kept Using Flock Five Years After Leaving the Force

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He turned in his gun and his badge, but kept his log-in credentials for Flock, reports the Washington Post. For five years.
In the five years after leaving the force, [county sheriff’s investigator Andrae] Wright searched the system more than 60 times without being stopped by anyone at the Georgia sheriff’s office, according to a statement by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and Flock audit logs reviewed by The Post. He repeatedly searched the location of a vanity license plate bearing the middle name of his wife, according to the audit logs. The couple divorced this year, court records show, and at the time of some of his Flock searches, Wright was fighting for permanent custody of their teenage daughter. In July, after a tipster alerted local authorities, police arrested Wright and charged him with stalking his wife, claiming he misused Flock data “for the purpose of harassing and intimidating her,” according to his warrant.
The article adds that since his arrest authorities “have investigated two more former police officers — another in Georgia and one in Michigan — for allegedly running Flock searches after their employment ended.”
Brian Bailey, a sheriff’s office spokesman, said that the agency had not conducted regular audits of who had access to its Flock system during that time but that it plans to begin doing so. The case marked one of at least 11 times in which government officials have discovered unauthorized users have gained access to Flock databases and searched them without permission, sometimes to track the locations of romantic partners, a Washington Post investigation has found… In four of the cases, officers were able to keep using their log-ins to Flock after leaving the force or while serving a suspension, because their accounts were not shut off. In six of the cases, police shared log-ins or passwords with active law enforcement officers from other agencies, in what officials later deemed violations of state laws, department policies or Flock contracts.

In Indianapolis, a police recruit who was not authorized to access Flock was able to use the tool for more than two years after a more senior officer opened it on the more junior officer’s laptop and didn’t log out. The junior officer, Matthew Binford, used his colleague’s credentials to search his estranged wife’s license plate more than 1,000 times over a 12-month period, according to a court affidavit. Prosecutors criminally charged Binford and four other Indianapolis officers last month, after an August inquiry from The Post prompted an agencywide audit by the city’s police department.
And “Passwords for at least 35 Flock customer accounts have been stolen,” two U.S. congressman announced last November.

The Washington Post adds that last month in Georgia, the Cobb County Sheriff’s Office discovered around 200 of its 900 staff members had Flock access, including people who worked at the county jail. While they’ve since reduced that number to just 50 authorized users, “around the country, police have informally shared their passwords with nonemployees and sometimes even set up formal accounts to allow officers from other agencies access to their Flock dashboard, according to interviews and officials’ statements.”

The article adds that Flock’s leaders “have resisted calls from their own staff to implement stricter guardrails, according to three former employees who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid professional repercussions. Flock managers told staff repeatedly that they didn’t want to create barriers to securing camera contracts with law enforcement agencies that were resistant to more restrictive security controls, two of the employees said.”

only one?

By roman_mir • • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

imagine how flock personnel uses flock network every day…AI allows drawing conclusions from mass movement information that can provide information far beyond just someone’s location. It is probably possible even to figure out market moves based on movement of groups of people.

This is not just about following any one person, this is about information movement, following a group of people who work on the same project for example to undersrand when they are going towards the same site / goal. This is beyond dangerous.

Not just Flock access

By Local ID10T • • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

It is common for police officers who leave the force voluntarily to retain their data access credentials. For years. Decades in some cases. As long as they do not offend someone high-ranking, they keep their police access to search records. Quite a few Private Investigators go their whole career misusing former police access to databases.

Once an official credential is in the system, it is there until revoked -not until the officer leaves the force. The databases are not tied to an individual police force, and it is common for credentialed officers to move to another police force. Think of it like a security clearance -you need a reason to get one, but it can follow you to a new posting. There is not a well managed revocation process for police access credentials.

Re:They’re gangs

By jacks smirking reven • • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

There is a really good case that public sector unions should not exist and I am generally a pro-union type of person but the dynamics of public vs private sector just don’t make sense, the negative factors unions try to correct for are already baked into statutes. Police unions really bear a good portion of the negative opinions law enforcement has today.

Re:If you can log in, you have permission

By Local ID10T • • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

I’m sorry, I don’t buy this story from the police agencies that these guys didn’t have permission. If you can log into a system, then you have permission to access that system. That’s the whole point of the login process: to determine who can authenticate and authorize usage of a system.

No. Per the Computer Fraud And Abuse Act, exceeding your authorization (even if you have legal access to a system) is a crime. Access and authorization are not the same thing.

Just because you can do a thing does not mean you have permission to do so.

a car analogy: Having a key to your former employers company truck does not mean you have authorization to take it for a drive. Even if they forgot to get the key back when you quit, that is still grand theft auto.

Re: good guys with guns

By gtall • • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

Malcolm Gladwell did a study of police in America and Europe. It turns out that many Euro cities have much larger police forces that U.S. cities. Their police are less violent and better respected.

He goes on (maybe he was reporting on a book he wrote) that the mayor of Baltimore greatly reduced violent crime, which, before he arrived, was at one of the worst levels in the U.S. He reduced crime by doing two things: expanding the police force and adding more ancillary services. One anecdote he related was that someone was murdered on the street. He sent is people to visit the family and they were able to talk the family out of seeking revenge through explaining the bad things revenge brings and convincing them the police were on the case.

His basic message is that U.S. cities are underpoliced and the police feel overwhelmed. Personally, I attribute this to the “law and order” pols who seem to revel in conjuring up hobgobblins and bleating on how beating the fear of God or the Love of Jesus Christ into criminals would solve the problem. So they underfund the police and taut that as being “tough on crime” and “fiscally conservative.” They are lying and they know it, but Americans insist on believing these snake oil salesmen every election day.

The police, in general, are ordinary people asked to extraordinary things with few resources because the pols have convinced people this is good for them.

OpenAI Says It’s Cutting Off Internet Access For Frontier Model Training

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from Engadget:
OpenAI will train frontier AI models without internet access moving forward, the company announced in a blog post, in an attempt to protect internet infrastructure and limit other safety risks. The decision was inspired by OpenAI’s own rogue AI incident: In July, the company shared that agents it was testing hacked Hugging Face, just the first in what has turned into a series of reports of AI misbehavior from OpenAI, Anthropic and Google. “Based on the current state of alignment research, monitoring systems, and the security of internet infrastructure, we believe the responsible approach is to conduct frontier model training with no internet access,” OpenAI says.The company said that restrictions on what agents can access is “paramount” to its new approach.The company allows agents to access browsers, computer-use tools and code environments they need for training tasks, but in a secure environment that’s not connected to the live internet. Communication is also limited to only agents with authorization.

Everything else remains out of reach, including the live internet, which the company says isn’t necessary for training and “most evaluation.” Because many of its recent models are meant to power agents like Dots, which browse and use apps for you, OpenAI built an “offline world” of indexed and cached web material for agents to use without touching live websites. Even with those restrictions, OpenAI says the red-teaming agents it dispatched to test security safeguards found vulnerabilities that allowed them to escape the virtual machines (VMs) used to isolate agents from their host system. Agents also found a way to communicate with each other by manipulating data in a processor’s cache and timing how long it took to load. To address both, OpenAI says it’s disclosed and fixed vulnerabilities in several VMs and added checks to its monitoring systems to spot when models try to collaborate.

Unbelievable what people will publish

By karmawarrior • • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

I’ll give credit to the genAI people in one respect: they can market like nobody else. They’ve invented an entire soap opera about what AI is supposedly doing and people still fall for it.

In before…

By fleeped • • Score: 3 • Thread

“Our frontier models somehow got access to the internet and hacked a bunch of things, these things are unstoppable, sorry! Btw IPO soon”

Crows Can Evaluate Visual Info Twice As Fast As Mammals

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Researchers at the University of Tubingen found that crows can process visual information and make decisions roughly twice as fast as monkeys or humans without sacrificing accuracy. They suspect birds’ densely packed neurons and higher body temperatures contribute to their faster processing, though the study involved only two crows. Ars Technica reports:
[Andreas Nieder, a neurobiologist at the University of Tubingen and his colleague Philipp Schmidbauer] put two hand-raised crows in front of a touch-sensitive monitor showing a cloud of white dots on black, with some fraction of them drifting coherently left or right or up or down. The birds’ job was to report the overall direction by pecking one of the targets that flanked the display. Correct answers earned them a mealworm. “We intentionally wanted to have exactly the same random-dot motion task,” Nieder said. “The only difference was that the crows had to peck to indicate their decision, whereas monkeys were indicating by making an eye movement.”

The researchers varied how many dots moved together, ranging from 81 percent of the dots coherently moving together, which is trivially easy to determine, down to 3 percent, which is barely distinguishable from noise. They also included a zero percent condition, in which there was no correct answer. Both birds scored better than chance, even when only three percent of the dots were moving. While the crows worked at the task, the team recorded from 248 neurons in the NCL (nidopallium caudolaterale) — a region at the top of the avian processing hierarchy that is widely regarded as the functional counterpart of the primate prefrontal cortex, despite being built differently.

Birds and mammals parted evolutionary ways more than 360 million years ago, and bird brains evolved a different architecture. The mammalian cortex is arranged as stacked sheets of cells, while the equivalent tissue in a bird is organized into dense clusters, with no layering at all. This alternative architecture, Nieder’s study found, proved faster. Measured from the moment that the dots appeared to the moment the bird’s head started turning to peck at the button, the crows averaged 235 milliseconds. In closely matched versions of the task, monkeys took roughly 410, 490, and 600 milliseconds in three studies. The obvious question was whether the birds simply sacrificed accuracy for speed, but it turned out they did not.
The research has been published in the journal Science.

Make sense

By ThurstonMoore • • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

Since it’s hard to stop and evaluate a situation mid flight.

Re: Make sense

By OrangeTide • • Score: 5, Funny • Thread

They might make good rideshare drivers. This has a lot of business potential for a startup. A sort of crow-share service, we would have to find some payment current that is small and shiny, but worthless. Not unlike how NFTs attract humans.

Let’s try it

By spaceman375 • • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

Most neuron mimicking AIs have their nodes arranged in sheets like mammalian brains, with an input layer, an output layer, and a few in between. Perhaps we should try bird brain architectures instead.

Re: Let’s try it

By Viol8 • • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

AI is already worrying enough. Not sure i want ones that think like therapod dinosaurs.

Re:In short …

By malkavian • • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

Birds are pretty smart, full stop. They’re the only group that has a method of creating and using their own hooked tools (Caledonian Crow) other than humans.
They are excellent problem solvers overall. Given their size relative to comparative intellects (Crows are comparable in intellect to monkeys and gorillas), they’re absolute marvels.