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This happened with the Dutch in 2006 - by JoshuaZ (Score: 3, Informative) Thread |
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Whew, that was a close one… - by robwgibbons (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread |
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Re:Whew, that was a close one… - by Vellmont (Score: 3, Insightful) Thread |
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Re:Whew, that was a close one… - by Animaether (Score: 4, Informative) Thread
Basically.. all of the reasons you want voting to be done anonymously apply here. If you can couple the emissions at the location of the machine with the emissions from a particular user - say, their mobile phone’s signature - then you can go back to forcing people to vote for X and make sure that they do, roughing them up as an example to the others you told to vote for X if you detected a vote for Y instead, without a need to plant something on them or leaving any trace. In theory, anyway. |
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Re:Honestly - by robbak (Score: 4, Informative) Thread Several ideas. Of course, use LCDs, as the CRT circuitry is the bad one. Shield the data connections so they don’t radiate too much. Make the connections that transmit unencrypted data short. Use low-contrast fonts, so the sharp edges do not cause large voltage (and therefore EMI) spikes. Randomise the low bits of data shown on the screen, so you create obfuscating noise. Maybe you have to go as far as have a white noise transmitter to mask what you cannot elimiate. Plenty of room to move. Good on them for having such a contest - it flushed out all the ‘Ooh, I didn’t think of that’ problems. |
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Neo-luddite - by mewsenews (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread
Poignant? People tried to say the same thing about calculators in the 50s. Tools augment human capability, they can be a crutch but we’re a little far from walking in the jungle throwing spears, aren’t we? |
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I found an 11th thing… - by icebike (Score: 5, Informative) Thread Another thing you can do on most modern web enabled phones is look up phrases like Begs the Question and see what a fool you are making of yourself prior to posting on slashdot. Brought to you by the obligatory and gratuitous grammar snarks. |
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Many features that I don’t even want. - by NoYob (Score: 4, Insightful) Thread Early camera phones where painfully bad but strong sales proved that there was a demand for them. When I got my phone, I bought it because it was the cheapest phone that had the ability to see who’s calling without having to answer. It so happens to have come with a camera which I never use because it sucks. Now, are the camera manufacturers counting my sale as someone who wanted a camera? Probably. There’s a few other features built into the phone that i looked at and never used because I have no use for them. That’s the thing, there’s only so many choices and it’s impossible to get a phone that has a feature you want without getting a bunch of features that you don’t want. And if you find one, it may not be supported by your cell carrier. |
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Same Old Song, A Jack of all Trades - by dancingmad (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread You keep hearing about the things that phones are going to replace and, at least for me, it’s never been true. I like having a Nintendo DS. The iPhone has not provided a game with the depth of most AAA DS titles. It’s lack of buttons is a serious problem with gaming. The camera isn’t as good as any half way decent point and shoot. I haven’t gotten a chance to play with any GPS software for any smart phone, but I hear there are limitations (including the need for cell service) that stand alone GPSes don’t have. Even the music functions of an iPhone aren’t as good as a regular iPod or (gasp, because I love Apple gear) a Zune. And yeah, you can use it as a watch, but any fashionable man knows that a watch is how a guy shows off. It’s the only acceptable piece of jewelry for the well dressed man. Even today’s best smart phones are just communications devices with varying degrees of success. Occasionally a smart phone is “good enough” in a pinch; photographers like to say the best camera is the one you have with you, which certainly applies to smart phones. But if I know I want to play games or take pictures, I take my DS or my camera, or whatever. Phones haven’t and won’t - because each thing needs its own UI and software guidelines, no device is going to be able to do it all well. |
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Stones and rocks - by El_Muerte_TDS (Score: 5, Funny) Thread They also make stones obsolete. I don’t long have to throw rocks at a window, I can just throw my phone. |
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Simple and straightforward = complex - by sphealey (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread So let’s see if I understand: you want to take a simple, straightforward, easy-to-understand architecture with no single points of failure that would be very easy to recover in the event of a problem and extremely easy to recreate at a different site in a few hours in the event of a disaster, and replace it will a vastly more complex system that uses tons of shiny new buzzwords. All to serve 150 end users for whom you have quantified no complaints related to the architecture other than it might need to be sped up a bit (or perhaps find a GUI interface for the ftp server, etc). This should turn out well. sPh As far as “distributed redundant system”, strongly suggested you read Moans Nogood’s essay “You Don’t Need High Availability” and think very deeply about it before proceeding. |
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What 150 users? - by painehope (Score: 4, Interesting) Thread I’d say that everyone has mentioned that big picture points already, except for one : what kind of users? 150 file clerks or accountants and you’ll spend more time worrying about the printer that the CIO’s secretary just had to have which conveniently doesn’t have reliable drivers or documentation, even if it had what neat feature that she wanted and now can’t use. 150 programmers can put a mild to heavy load on your infrastructure, depending on what kind of software they’re developing and testing (more a function of what kind of environment are they coding for and how much gear they need to test it). 150 programmers and processors of data (financial, medical, geophysical, whatever) can put an extreme load on your infrastructure. Like to the point where it’s easier to ship tape media internationally than fuck around with a stable interoffice file transfer solution (I’ve seen it as a common practice - “hey, you’re going to the XYZ office, we’re sending a crate of tapes along with you so you can load it onto their fileservers”). Define your environment, then you know your requirements, find the solutions that meet those requirements, then try to get a PO for it. Have fun. |
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Take your time - by BooRadley (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread If you’re like most IT managers, you probably have a budget. Which is probably wholly inadequate for immediately and elegantly solving your problems. Look at your company’s business, and how the different offices interact with each other, and with your customers. By just upgrading existing infrastructure, you may be putting some of the money and time where it’s not needed, instead of just shutting down a service or migrating it to something more modern or easier to manage. Free is not always better, unless your time has no value. Pick a few projects to help you get a handle on the things that need more planning, and try and put out any fires as quickly as possible, without committing to a long-term technology plan for remediation. Your objective is to make the transition as boring as possible for the end users, except for the parts where things just start to work better. |
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Think about the complexity of duplication - by El Cubano (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread there’s hardly any fallback if any of the services dies or an office is disconnected. Now, as the hardware must be replaced, I’d like to buff things up a bit: distributed instances of services (at least one instance per office) and a fallback/load-balancing scheme (either to an instance in another office or a duplicated one within the same). Is that really necessary? I know that we all would like to have bullet-proof services. However, is the network service to the various offices so unreliable that it justifies the added complexity of instantiating services at every location? Or even introducing redundancy at each location? If you were talking about thousands or tens of thousands of users at each location, it might make sense just because you would have to distribute the load in some way. What you need to do is evaluate your connectivity and its reliability. For example:
Once you answer at least those questions, then you have the information you need in order to make a sensible decision. |
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I’d say - by pele (Score: 5, Informative) Thread don’t touch anything if it’s been up and running for the past 7 years. if you really must replicate then get some more cheap boxes and replicate. it’s cheaper and faster than virtual anything. if you must. but 150 users doesn’t warrant anything in my oppinion. I’d rather invest in backup links (from different companies) between offices. you can bond them for extra throughput. |
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Microsoft fail; Google holding back details? - by hattig (Score: 4, Interesting) Thread Microsoft aren’t considering: 1) ARM version of Chrome OS - means $199 smartbooks instead of $299-$499 netbooks running Windows XP or Windows 7. 2) OS is free. 3) Actually Google might be offering a share of advertising revenue to manufacturers, as with Android. This means that the OS has a negative cost. We could see $149 smartbooks. Who is interested in a Windows 7 netbook at 3x the cost then? 4) Good enough for a second/cloud computer. Especially if it supports the “home cloud” with support for DNLA (media streaming) and other common home/office services. However there are failings - firstly I think that Google need to make the OS Android compatible. I.e., installing the Dalvik VM and Android APIs by default. Android 2 allows higher resolutions. Android 3 will surely support resolutions up to smartbook (1024x600, 1366x768) and running an app as a tab within Chrome OS, allowing a unified platform. Surely therefore Chrome OS smartbooks will include multitouch displays… Also Chrome OS 1 will surely be rough, like Android 1 and the G1. Droid is showing what Android 2 can do, and it’s far more mature. Android 3 will probably be the first all-rounded and sweetly remembered variant. Android 4 will be good too. Android 5 through 7 will be dire. |
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Google has lots of time to get it right - by rmcd (Score: 5, Interesting) Thread What people don’t get about Google’s software is that they are not selling it. That’s not where their revenue comes from. They can spend a lot of time getting the software right, refocusing it, tweaking it, getting comments. Microsoft by contrast has to come out with the big “impressive” release every few years to keep the company afloat. That’s their business model. It’s not Google’s. Look at Android. 18 months ago the cell phone execs were all saying that Google didn’t understand how hard it is to create cellular phone software. The G1 got a lot of yawns. That reception would have been a disaster for Apple, but for Google it didn’t matter, they just kept working on it. Today, Android is a serious competitor. Whatever Chrome does or doesn’t do can be changed. And maybe it will flop. That won’t be a huge deal for Google as long as they get their advertising on the next generation of devices. |
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Attack boot time? - by RiotingPacifist (Score: 5, Informative) Thread IMO the key selling points for chrome are: 1) Zero user maintenance 2) Security (the thing is even resistant against user-space malware), even Linux distros are years away from sand-boxing desktop apps 3) Simple UI |
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Even if they were impressed, stunned even… - by w0mprat (Score: 5, Interesting) Thread |
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smartphone — a press of a button and you are - by jamesh (Score: 5, Interesting) Thread smartphone — a press of a button and you are “on.”’ I don’t know what smartphones they are referring to. My iPhone and my laptop are seldom ‘off’. They both go into standby when i’m not using them, the times to come out of standby are very similar, and if I actually had to type a password into my iPhone to bring it out of standby the computer would beat it by far. Has Mr Hobbs never turned a smartphone on from a complete off state? There is a negligible difference between booting my iPhone vs my Windows XP laptop. My old HP iPaq wasn’t much different. |
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Abstraction - by gmuslera (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread |
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Wait a second? - by cluge (Score: 4, Interesting) Thread If they flash to the latest apple firmware, will they be able to
Most importantly - will they be able to jailbreak the device after the update? I see a future where Apple, the RIAA, and others might wish to write worms to help prevent people from hacking their devices or brick devices that have been “hacked”. |
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Why a default password? - by harmonise (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread why is SSH being installed with a default password left in place? Talk about asking for trouble. |
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There’s an app for that! - by zach_the_lizard (Score: 5, Funny) Thread |
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Excessive? - by ickleberry (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread Owners of a jailbroken iPhone with a default root password are advised to flash to the latest Apple firmware in order to ensure no malware is present. That seems a bit excessive when a simple one-time usage of the included “passwd” utility will suffice. Srsly though, jailbreaking utilities should be pestering users to change their password from the default because this is only scaring less-knowledgeable folk into thinking Jailbreak == viruses |
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No kidding? - by Brett Buck (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread This is a surprise to someone? Who ever though this *could* work? Certainly not anyone with any knowledge of thermodynamics. The only compressed -gas systems that even have a chance of working are those that store the working fluid as a liquid, meaning it has to be able to be liquified at room temperature at a reasonable pressure (few hundred PSI at most). Otherwise the tanks are huge and heavy (meaning it will barely move under power) or they are small and heavy (meaning it has no range). Two excellent working fluid for this purpose are - wait for it - CO2 and Freon! Oops. Brett |
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Time for a new tagline - by heffrey (Score: 5, Funny) Thread Slashdot - news for idiots, stuff that’s obvious |
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Re:I guess congratulations are in order - by bmajik (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread The problem of humanity is one of the capture, storage, and application of energy. Gasoline is a fantastic medium for energy storage: it’s a better battery than any battery we know how to cheaply produce and service, and that’s why we use it. But the energy capture function for gasoline [getting the energy into the gasoline] sucks. And the energy dispersal/application of gasoline has some environmentalists pretty upset. Nature gives us many ways to store energy now and release it later. The chemical combustion of gasoline is one such mechanism. The desire of a compressed gas to push forcefully against its container is another such mechanism. The strong nuclear bindig energy is a particulary potent and pervasive mechanism. The specific heat of water is yet another. The fundamental mechanisms of energy storage have been known about for a long time. Taken as a complete system to let humanity accomplish some goal, we are concerned with how we capture the energy, how much of it we can store [and at what cost], and how easy it is to get it back out in a form condusive to the sort of work we want to do with it. As technology changes we must continually re-evaluate the end-to-end story for a particular aqcuisition/storage/application energy cycle. We may find that we are willing to tolerate a 100 fold decrease in energy storage performance for a 200 fold increase in acquisition efficiency and a qualitative improvement in application performance. For instance, if i live in arizona and i have a sterling-engine powered air compressor that pumps my 50G tank to 100psi after 12 hours of sunlight, and this lets me go about 10 miles with no consumption of anything other than sunlight… I’m interested. If i commute 5 miles each way, I can get to work and back using nothing but solar energy. And unlike with PV panels and electrical batteries, a guy with a pipe threading die and a welder could build refueling system in his garage, out of stuff that has zero environmental impact whatsoever. I think that’s cool. I’m obviously playing fast and loose with the numbers. Since the kJ/m^2 of solar radiation is known at gridsquares all over north america, you could actually make some ballpark efficiency guesses about peices of the process and plug in real numbers to my hypothetical example. Even if reality is 1 mile @ 30mph after 8 hrs of sunlight.. that fits _some_ usage profile. It used to be that every farm in North Dakota [where I live] had a windmill powering the farm. Then they disappeared and became an anachronism paying homage to a bygone era. Now windmills are dotting the countryside again. It didn’t get windier here. What changed? The physics of energy capture, storage, and dispersion have always been the same; our efficiency and the context of the problem space continue to change. As such we must constantly re-evaluate what we did in the past against the realities of today. |
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You should use two measures of electric vehicles - by presidenteloco (Score: 5, Interesting) Thread The significant fact about electric (or hydrogen fuel cell), or electrically compressed air vehicles So electric vehicles (or hydrogen fuel cell, or even relatively inefficient compressed air) vehicles, So the “green-ness” or carbon footprint of these electrically based technologies should be 1. What would their carbon footprint be if all electricity was generated with carbon-neutral generation 2. What is the carbon footprint assuming the US continues to maintain arguably the most carbon-dirty Measured in this light, it can be seen that the complete issue is changing the electrical power source for the |
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Re:Zero Emissions are worse?? - by commodore64_love (Score: 5, Informative) Thread >>>all those Prius owners don’t really seem to care about Lithum strip mines Prius cars don’t use lithium. They use nickle and hydride, and when disposed are no more harmful than throwing-away coins and water. (Although recycling the metal would be better.) |
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Maybe it’s the publishing side that’s the problem - by ThousandStars (Score: 3, Insightful) Thread This is based partially on what I see in bookstores and partially on my own experience, which I discuss extensively in Science fiction, literature, and the haters. It begins:
If the publishing system itself is broken and nothing yet has grown up to take its place (I have no interest in trolling through thousands of terrible novels uploaded to websites in search of a single potential gem, for those of you Internet utopians out there), maybe the source of the genre’s troubles isn’t where PC Pro places it. |
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Short Answer - by chrisG23 (Score: 4, Insightful) Thread |
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Why SF is dead. - by Animats (Score: 5, Interesting) Thread The real problem is that most of the big themes in classical SF require vast amounts of energy. And that’s not happening. There hasn’t been a new source of energy in fifty years, just marginal improvements in the old ones. This matters. That’s why space travel is a bust. With chemical fuels, it will never be more than an overly expensive, marginal enterprise. The better ‘50s SF writers all knew this; read Heinlein’s “The Man Who Sold the Moon”. They just assumed that, somehow, the energy problem would be cracked. Didn’t happen. So space travel remains an expensive ego trip for countries and billionaires. Industrial civilization is only 200 years old. 1808, the first time someone bought a train ticket on a commercial railroad and went someplace, is a good starting point. Industrial abundance, being able to make more stuff than people could consume, only goes back to WWII. During most of the 20th century, “progress” was a big theme. We don’t hear that phrase used much any more. The number by which one measures “progress” for the average Joe, “per capita median real income for urban wage earners”, peaked in 1973. (Median income, not average income; the average is biased by wealth concentration to rich people.) Back then, a guy without a high school diploma could get a job at GM and make enough to buy a house, two cars, a boat, and an education for his kids. That’s over. (You don’t see that number mentioned much any more. It was heavily publicized back when the US boasted “the highest standard of living in the world”.) Now we’re starting to run out of energy and raw materials. Nobody serious thinks there’s enough left to sustain current output for another century, let alone bring China and India up to US levels of consumption. It’s hard to write good SF about “the great winding down”. It’s been done, but it’s not read much. The glory days of SF coincide with the period during which “progress” was a win for the little guy. That’s why SF is dead. The plausible future sucks. |
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Re:Why SF is dead. - by crazyjimmy (Score: 4, Interesting) Thread The real problem is that most of the big themes in classical SF require vast amounts of energy. And that’s not happening. There hasn’t been a new source of energy in fifty years, just marginal improvements in the old ones. This matters. That’s why space travel is a bust. With chemical fuels, it will never be more than an overly expensive, marginal enterprise. The better ‘50s SF writers all knew this; read Heinlein’s “The Man Who Sold the Moon”. They just assumed that, somehow, the energy problem would be cracked. Didn’t happen. So space travel remains an expensive ego trip for countries and billionaires. Industrial civilization is only 200 years old. 1808, the first time someone bought a train ticket on a commercial railroad and went someplace, is a good starting point. Industrial abundance, being able to make more stuff than people could consume, only goes back to WWII. During most of the 20th century, “progress” was a big theme. We don’t hear that phrase used much any more. The number by which one measures “progress” for the average Joe, “per capita median real income for urban wage earners”, peaked in 1973. (Median income, not average income; the average is biased by wealth concentration to rich people.) Back then, a guy without a high school diploma could get a job at GM and make enough to buy a house, two cars, a boat, and an education for his kids. That’s over. (You don’t see that number mentioned much any more. It was heavily publicized back when the US boasted “the highest standard of living in the world”.) Now we’re starting to run out of energy and raw materials. Nobody serious thinks there’s enough left to sustain current output for another century, let alone bring China and India up to US levels of consumption. It’s hard to write good SF about “the great winding down”. It’s been done, but it’s not read much. The glory days of SF coincide with the period during which “progress” was a win for the little guy. That’s why SF is dead. The plausible future sucks. I think you’re right, in a lot of ways. However, I suspect a chunk of the problem is that the best path to better energy begins with that N word people are so afraid of embracing. Our society has discovered a new form of fire, and it scares us. Until we’re willing to actually embrace it (dangers of use and all), we’re going to be stuck in our caves. |
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No - by wembley fraggle (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread No, it hasn’t. Science fiction isn’t about “telling the future”, it’s about making commentary about the Human Condition, putting together entertaining yarns, looking at what-if scenarios in society. Do you think PKD really believed any of the futuristic technology he talked about (read Ubik for a nice example) was really possible? Who knows - it’s just a necessary condition to set up the scenario in which we can see interesting ideas play ouy. Any quick read of the New Masters of SF (china mieville, ian macdonald, iain m banks, ken mcleod, dan simmons) will show you that the genre is alive, kicking, and more literary than ever before. |
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And so we say farewell… - by Chris Mattern (Score: 4, Funny) Thread …to the Rats of NIMF. |
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Economic climate… or lack of concern? - by Somebody Is Using My (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread Is NIMF’s inability to procure funding just a sign of the harsh economic climate or is it an indication that people are becoming less concerned with the issues it promoted. 15 years ago, computer and video games were making the transition from “toys for children” (Sonic, Mario) to more graphic and mature titles (Doom, Duke Nukem). Parents and (older) adults saw these gore-soaked, stripper-filled games and wondered what effect this would have on the younger generation. Worriedly, they funded -through contributions or taxes- groups like NIMF. More than a decade later, a generation has come of age having played these games for most of their lives and -surprise, surprise!- they are not any more messed up than any previous generation. Video games, it seems, are not the corrupting influence people thought they might be. Not only are the supporters of yesteryear lest likely to fund these groups, but the same generation NIMF etal were meant to protect -now grown up themselves- are equally unlikely to open their pocketbooks to them. Claiming it is merely the “economic climate” that is shutting down these groups is buying into their argument that there is a necessity for the services they provide but that harsher realities requires our finances to be redirected to more essential things. People generally consider “protecting the children” to be a priority. That NIMF is closing is just as likely an indication that we recognize they are not necessary to keep the kids safe because there never was any real danger to them in the first place. |
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Re:Economic climate… or lack of concern? - by Tim C (Score: 4, Interesting) Thread Either that, or the Video Game Bogeyman has been replaced by the Terrorism Bogeyman, and people are simply concentrating on that instead. |
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violence is go - by czarangelus (Score: 5, Funny) Thread |
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Fortunately - by Dunbal (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread This is one good thing that comes with economic hardship. Idiotic, wasteful, inefficient ideas like this get swept away in the tide while people start focusing on more important issues, like keeping a roof over their heads or feeding and clothing themselves and their children. We need many more years of economic hardship to get rid of all the free-loaders who make a living from telling other people how guilty they should be feeling, or making nonsensical claims with no evidence to back them up. |
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If vaccine was available, people would get it - by iamacat (Score: 3, Informative) Thread Our whole family just had H1N1 and yet none of us could get a vaccine beforehand, not even our 2 year old daughter. If vaccine was available, all of us would have gotten it. To top the confusion, the doctor is still asking us to get the shot when it becomes available. Give me a frigging break. Now what amazes me is that our daughter coughed for 2 days and then she was fine, while we are still sick after 3 weeks. Daycares must create some kind of mutant immune systems that put interspecies viruses to shame. |
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yea, right - by frovingslosh (Score: 3, Insightful) Thread |
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Yes, it is less now … - by kbahey (Score: 4, Informative) Thread Here in Canada, my doctor said yesterday that he is seeing a drop in people coming in with flu symptoms. It used to be more in the past few weeks. Also, Google Flu Trends shows a marked drop. In the USA, there is a drop too. I have also observed less absence at my little kid’s school as well. |
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Re:Where does the money go? - by Afforess (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread |
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Relevance - by Pete Venkman (Score: 4, Insightful) Thread Isn’t the peak something that you talk about later when you are analyzing the data? Of what relevance is it to discuss a peak in this current cycle? |
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What about cat owners? - by Kartoffel (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread I’ve seen more computers clogged with cat hair than I’ve seen clogged with cigarette ash. |
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Re:What about cat owners? - by canajin56 (Score: 5, Interesting) Thread |
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Re:What about cat owners? - by BrianRoach (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread Sorry, but as you say, bullshit. Unless you’re chain smoking 3 packs a day in a small, closed room while exhaling directly into the thing I smoked for 20 years, and owned who knows how many computers during that time I now live in a high desert climate and we own two dogs. That requires regular, thorough cleaning or the things will overheat. It also can really reduce the life of the fans. (Same goes for my stereo receiver, and a couple other consumer boxes) And as I also posted in another thread, I used to run a motorcycle shop. You should see what those PCs go through, especially the one used to run the dynamometer. So |
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Two Thumbs UP! - by TravisHein (Score: 5, Interesting) Thread For once I am pleased with Apple’s quirky business policies. In addition to being a biohazard, enough smoking over time by many people seems to actually deposit a greassy residue on the inside of the computer parts, like the heat sinks, integrated circuits, fan blades. I used to be the IT administrator for an office of a dozen people, back when it was somehow allowed to smoke indoors in the office while you work. And the style was for everyone to smoke. As a non smoker I was a minority, and had to put up with working in that mess. But for the computer parts, after about six months the parts looked as though someone had sprayed them with PAM cooking oil, and then dusted with ashes. All chunder stuck on fuzzy layer of dust bunnies, and “that” smell of 1000 cigarettes. We went through a lot of computers because of the lack of ability for the parts to cool themselves with the ambient air circulation inside the cases. So my fendangled point was, it is not fair for Apple, or any computer company to have to honor warranty claims for computers that were subjected to the abuse of a smoker, as the hardware was subjected to environmental conditions that was not in any of the designed intended use. For example, if I put my computer through a dish washer, they would have the equal right to not honor my warranty claim, as I ‘intentionally damaged’ it in much the same way. I would like to see other companies start doing this too.. Buy a car? Did you smoke in it ? Oh, now it has no resale value, sorry. |
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Re:Two Thumbs UP! - by BrianRoach (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread You might actually have a point Or lived in dusty climates. Or where computers were used in places like See, this is yet another example of where the logic of singling out one stupid little thing while ignoring 10 million others somehow makes sense. I own dogs and live in a high desert climate I also used to run a motorcycle shop. You should see what those PCs look like after a while, especially the one that’s used to run the dynamometer. (Badly running vehicles spit out a lot of soot, not to mention all the other residues from various vapors from cleaning chemicals) So |
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The whole story… - by sugapablo (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread |
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How about some other ideas? - by SleepyHappyDoc (Score: 5, Funny) Thread Why not a politician tax, somewhere around 1% of their annual income, for the privilege of being a politician? If it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander. |
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Churches - by Stiletto (Score: 4, Insightful) Thread Yet, we’re still not taxing churches… |
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Oh the Burden of Soon to be Educated and Employed - by knapper_tech (Score: 4, Insightful) Thread |
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Priorities - by six11 (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread As a CMU student (sort of), this doesn’t surprise me, and I invite Luke Ravenstahl to kiss my poor ass. Considering this guy prioritizes money in the most bogo-riffic ways (e.g. spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on fancy trash cans sporting his name) it seems clear he is not and has not been fit to run the city. Pittsburgh’s new economy is fueled by the universities*. Everybody knows this. Taxing the students—-those people least able to pay—-is akin to cannibalism. Of course, what will happen is students will just borrow a bit more and stack on a little more debt. So maybe Luke’s idea is to get students to hedge their futures on his present financial problems. * And the Steelers |
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They might as well rename it - by zogger (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread To the “Turn over to the Chinese all the minerals in Africa” act. They’ll take them, and they do not care one bit about which local regime is in charge today. They go out of their way all the time to state they have no desire to interfere in local politics, they just want the business/raw materials. Oh, by the way, how about they ban petroleum products, fuels and plastics? Or do they want to claim petroleum doesn’t come in huge part from regimes where human rights are routinely abused, where murders rapes torture and so on are common? |
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Fungible Resources - by Anonymous Coward (Score: 5, Informative) Thread Hmmm, does anyone in Congress know what a fungible resource is? Basically, there’s no way to know if the tungsten in your product (or even in your supply chain) came from the Eastern Congo, or pretty much anywhere else. If the price for “tungsten” goes up appreciably, then Eastern Congo “tungsten” will just show up indirectly from other sources. |
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Yeah this work like the Drug War - by commodore64_love (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread We all know that banning the use of marijuana, cocaine, and other naturally-occurring drugs helped de-escalate violence. The banning of these conflict minerals simply means that you’ll leave former miners without jobs, and then they’ll starve, as happened when we embargoed Iraq in the 90s, and Cuba over the last several decades. I honestly don’t think there’s ANY workable solution to the Congo problem. |
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Re:Irony - by Grishnakh (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread You’ve got to be kidding. China is no paragon of human rights, but they certainly don’t abuse them to the extent seen in war-torn African countries, where rape and murder are common. The only thing that China does that sucks is that they practice censorship, keeping strong control over the media. They’re also quick to use the death penalty, but that’s not really that bad; they’re not executing innocent fishermen, they’re executing convicted criminals. Yes, Tianenmen was bad, but that was a long time ago. They haven’t had any incidents like that in quite a while (and with today’s technology, including iPods with video recording, it would be much harder to keep such a thing covered up). China’s government is all about building up the country for the benefit of the people, and keeping strong control over social order. Their methods are harsh, but their intent is basically positive. They believe their methods are necessary in their culture to achieve the goals they’ve set. Trying to turn someplace like Iraq, for instance, into an advanced country would require similar methods, as democracy would never work there. To compare China to African warlords who are all in favor of genocide is just insulting. |
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This will do nothing to end the “conflict”. - by John Hasler (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread The fighting is about politics, not minerals. This will just make everyone in the region poorer. The minerals will continue to come out albeit at a reduced rate while yet another layer of criminal politicians seize the opportunity to enrich themselves by falsifying the documents necessary to get the stuff on the legal market. This is just more feelgood crap from the assholes in Washington. |
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Google maps and satellit images do not match at TS - by j-beda (Score: 5, Interesting) Thread Interestingly, for Tianamen Square, the google maps location seems to be about a block east of the satellite photo: compared to I wonder if their maps are shifted or their images are shifted? Anyone in Beijing have a GPS handy to get a reading for the square? |
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hmmmm - by the_other_one (Score: 5, Funny) Thread |
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Microsoft has become as evil as Google? - by pedantic bore (Score: 5, Funny) Thread Gasp! Once we’re boycotting all the search engines that have caved into to the demands of the Chinese government, what search engines are left? |
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Chinese - by TopSpin (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread Bing censors at the “request” of the Chinese government. Google censors at the “request” of the Chinese government. Yahoo censors at the “request” of the Chinese government. As a result of whatever you care to attribute the subservience of the Chinese people, 21% of our species is subject to the filtering policies of the Chinese government. Ultimately the Chinese must be the the reason this tyranny comes to an end. Or not. The marketing companies of the West aren’t interested in fighting their battles. Stop expecting ad pimps to be responsible for liberating anyone. Instead, raise your expectations of the Chinese. |
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Re:Chinese - by elnyka (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread The marketing companies of the West aren’t interested in fighting their battles. Stop expecting ad pimps to be responsible for liberating anyone. Instead, raise your expectations of the Chinese. Stop expecting the Chinese to be responsible for liberating anyone. Instead, despair. Not us anyone, but themselves. There is no reason to despair for 1.34B that prove ultimately incapable of liberating themselves. Most of their wounds since the late 1800’s are culturally self induced. It’d be nice to see them finally get the fuck up as a modern, democratic (or at least humane in the modern sense) nation, but there is a point that you just go “agh, WTF” and just sit back and watch the train wreck, waiting to see if it implodes into a self-sucking black hole, hoping it doesn’t fuck up nearby nations in the process. I find it deplorable that search engines, corps and entire governments bend over to China’s economic might and implement/look over things that are unjustifiable by any modern notion of morality. But social reform is not their job or duty - that’s the people’s. The onus is eventually on them. One could argue that knowledge is power, and that by removing search access to them you deprive them of the ability to fight for freedom. But the Chinese as a whole aren’t some tiny tinie minority fighting for survival with bows and arrows. They have always proved themselves resourceful, and at some point they need to take responsibility for their own destiny. Their freedom is not dependent on western search engines or corporations choosing to fight a moral fight that is not their own and for which they are not capable of even dreaming to win. Freedom, freedom in the modern sense of the world as people in the developed world knows, that depends on them, the Chinese people. |
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Garbage - by kestasjk (Score: 4, Informative) Thread The PRC is also recruiting from its growing population of technically skilled people, including those from the private sector, to increase its cyber capabilities. It is recruiting skilled cyber operators from information technology firms and computer science programs into the ranks of numerous Information Warfare Militia units. “cyber operators”.. “Information Warfare Militia”.. What? cyber-space (the electro-magnetic spectrum) I think that quote just about sums it up. I am stunned that people here on slashdot are taking this seriously, this is the sort of thing I’d expect to see on Fox News. |
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Re:Garbage - by justinlee37 (Score: 4, Insightful) Thread |
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define “attack” - by zkrige (Score: 5, Interesting) Thread |
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Re:define “attack” - by 1s44c (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread I have linux boxes all over the place and there are literally thousands of ssh/sft/etc attempts on each box each day. None of them are successful though. Can I claim that my boxes have more attacks than the US Military? If the US government would give you a 100 dollars to investigate each attack you might be tempted to. |
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Nope. You are not targeted - by WindBourne (Score: 4, Interesting) Thread |
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This is nothing new - by ian_mackereth (Score: 5, Informative) Thread In mag stripes, the magnetic remanence of the strip is different from card to card, in EEPROM, differences in the voltage levels and speed of reading of the cells are used. The general principle is that it’s no point having unbreakable crypto if the data can simply be copied to a new medium. Consider a card (of whatever type) that stores monetary value for public transport or photocopying or whatever: Put $100 on it and copy the data, not knowing which bits are what. Copy that data onto a heap of cards bought with $5 of credit on them and sell them in the grey market for $50 each and pocket the profit. With this sort of technique, though, part of that encrypted data is a fingerprint based on the physical characteristics of the original card. The new cards will generate a fingerprint in the reader that doesn’t match the original, making the copies invalid. Sure, if you can crack the encryption, this method is useless, but that’s not the point. Crypto can be pretty good and costs more than a cheap reader/writer to break to duplicate cards/RFIDs. |
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Solving the wrong problem - by lhunath (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread RFID tags are not security devices, they are hyped barcodes. They do not provide any authentication. If you’re worrying about your RFID tags being cloned for a malicious purpose, you are using them for the wrong thing. |
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Re:What’s the point? - by cortesoft (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread Crypto wouldn’t work… the cloner doesn’t have to break the encryption to copy the chip. Imagine in this way… you have an encrypted hard drive, and someone wants to pass off their hard drive as yours. They don’t have to break the encryption… they can copy the drive byte for byte, and hand it to the person who if verifying that is the original. The person checking the data is the one who does the decrypting. |
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Re:What’s the point? - by owlstead (Score: 4, Informative) Thread Depends on the chip. If you include ISO 14443 processor cards then you can have crypto, combined with secure on chip storage of the key of course. You are giving away this chip, so you must make sure that the chip storage and on board crypto is sufficiently protected against attacks. E.g for passports you can have active authentication or chip authentication to verify that the chip is not cloned. |
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Re:Security enhancement at best - by cortesoft (Score: 5, Informative) Thread I don’t know if it will be that easy. These fingerprints seem to be based on the fact that all RFID chips have flaws, and they are all flawed in different ways… including the device that is trying to act as the clone of the RFID. What this means is that this clone RFID has to be able to mimic EXACTLY the flaws of the real thing without giving itself away by its OWN flaws. Without knowing more details about the flaws they are trying to measure, it is hard to say whether that would be possible. If the flaws are easily mimicked in the sense that you can create a clone whose own defects are not detected because they are all superseded by the original’s flaws, it may work. If they vary so much that every clone will have some flaw that is severe enough to shine through, it would be impossible. |
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Define killer app - by Art3x (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread I don’t know about you, but long battery life to me would be a killer app. I think that the standard six hours or less shows a peculiar lack of any progress. Sure, I can go to a coffee shop with my laptop. But I can’t relax at a coffee shop with my laptop. How long will a smart-phone CPU with a notebook-sized battery last, I wonder? I also consider a boot time of less than 10 seconds a killer app. The standard 45 seconds or more that even Windows XP (old) on my Core 2 Duo (new) gives me is baffling after 25 years of the PC. (Really, its more like two minutes before it is really ready to give me attention.) If my computer shuts down in two seconds and boots in three, l wouldn’t plan my morning around it: “Time to make coffee —- no, wait, start the computer before you make coffee, then it will be ready at the same time.” Security is also a killer app. Encrypted home directory + read-only root + twin root partitions + a lot of other things = a lot more peace of mind. What if my laptop is stolen? Well, at least they’re not going to find anything on it. My house guest is asking me if he can borrow my laptop. If it’s a Windows laptop, I (but admittedly not the average user) will do a quick mental check —- do I have anything private on it that he might see? Is he going to accidentally download a virus on it? Etc. Sure, I can do things so that it will be less of a problem, but it’s a lot easier if the computer already is set up as much as Chrome OS is for sharing. Now that I look at them, what do these things all have in common? A less-stressed user experience. I don’t have to think as much as I used to about taking care of my computer. Sure, it won’t run Final Cut Pro. But I say, you should have made these the priorities —- at least with some —- any of your models. Get battery life, boot speed, and security to where you would have expected to be in the 21st century. Then branch out to fancy applications. Which is exactly what will probably happen. Browsers are only getting abler. |
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Fast download - by R.Mo_Robert (Score: 5, Funny) Thread The Chrome OS image is only a bit over 300 megs, so it’s a fast download. I’m on dial-up, you insensitive clod! |
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ChromeOS is a Good Thing! - by a.ameri (Score: 5, Interesting) Thread ChromeOS is a very good move for everyone involved. Remember, this OS and the devices it will run on are not targeting average slashdotters. I can personally vouch that I come across daily contact with people, business people not just teenagers, who don’t use anything other than their browser. The worst aspect of a computer for them, is upgrading, updating all applications, viruses, malware, and general maintenance of the system. They nearly all fail in these, and after a year, they think their laptop is not usable anymore and go and buy a new one. They would LOVE this OS, and are they primary targets of it. Also, synchronisation between multiple computers is a bitch, that even they most fail at. And they hate leaving their documents here and there. Files and directories don’t work for them, it’s a broken metaphor for most people, and as much as love to organise my files in hierarchical directories, they simply don’t care. They just want access to their information, when they need, as conveniently as possible. I hate Web apps as much as the next guy on this forum, and even use my trusty IMAP client for fetching my emails from Gmail. But I can’t deny that web apps are the future, specially when HTML 5 comes off age and becomes widespread. If you look back at what the Web looked like 5 years ago and compare it to now, you’ll see that it will be irresistible in 5 years time. Have a look at http://www.chromeexperiments.com/ to get a taste of what we are looking at. On a more general note, anyone who is comparing this to old failed projects based on thin clients, X terminals or net pcs, is missing the point. Yes, the technology behind this might be similar to those, but times are changing. On the one hand, people are getting used to ever-present always-available services. On the other hand, 3G is now widespread, affordable, and provides great utility for many. Laptops and phones are converging. 2007 was the year of netbooks, 2010 might be the year of smartbooks (running ARM processors). Smartphones are morphing into Internet tablets (e.g,, N900). These are very different, and interesting times. Yes, this is cloud computing, and yes, it raises huge privacy issues. It is up to us the tech savvy crown to raise these issues and address them. Slashdotters can always run their trusty Debian or Fedora or FreeBSD or on their computer. And they remain great choices. But Google is pushing applications to go online and cross browser. They are pushing for open source drivers. They are pushing for open standards and cooperation with upstream and downstream projects. This is a Good Thing (TM) for all of us, even if we are not the target consumers of this OS. |
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Shameless Plug - by Jrabbit05 (Score: 5, Informative) Thread |
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Change to GNU/Linux/Chorome OS… Quick! - by imaniack (Score: 5, Funny) Thread |
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Here’s the flaws in their reasoning - by ShooterNeo (Score: 4, Insightful) Thread Ok, wait a second - In order to pirate an iphone app, you have to jailbreak your phone. Only a small percentage of the user base have done this - By measuring the total number of “phone homes”, you can figure out how many copies of your app are out in the wild, INCLUDING copies on jailbroken phones. So if you find out that your app has 1000 copies in the wild. 600 of those copies are on the jailbroken iphones that make up maybe 5% of the total phones. Therefore, you’re out the revenue from those 600 copies? Nope, because if those users hadn’t hacked their phones, they probably WOULD NOT have paid for your app. The reason you only have 400 sales in this scenario is that the 95% of users who are eligible to buy it weren’t interested enough in your app. The jailbreaking users just grab whatever they want whenever they want, but wouldn’t behave like that if they had to pay. |
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Shhhh, - by Icegryphon (Score: 5, Informative) Thread he explains, “because I don’t believe pirates would have bought the game if they hadn’t stolen it…” Don’t tell the MPAA or RIAA that. |
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Hey, Submitter! - by cliffiecee (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread Don’t change the meaning of the article when summarizing. over 60% of iPhone applications have definitively been pirated 60% of paid apps using Pinch have been pirated. Let’s “reverse-bold” that… It might be relevant to non-pinch-using apps, it might not. But let’s not delete that relevant bit of data. |
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Re:Hey, Submitter! - by DNS-and-BIND (Score: 4, Funny) Thread |
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Re:Losing to Piracy, or, Over-Estimating App Value - by wrook (Score: 5, Interesting) Thread the developer is grossly over-estimating the value of their software, thinking “If my software isn’t great, then why would anyone pirate it?” I once worked for a small company with a semi-popular application. Sales were almost all of the form of pay pal purchases off the website. It wasn’t a lot of money, but it was enough to pay one developer. But piracy was a huge problem. It was quite obvious that more than 90% of the copies running were pirated. The company changed directions and started bundling the application for free with online services. The service provider would pay for the application and the customers would get the software for use only with the service. But the company was worried about piracy, so they asked me to write DRM that tied the application to the service. They would continue to sell an untied version off the website, but with “call home” DRM (it’s an internet app, so it’s not quite as draconian as it sounds). I very reluctantly agreed (i.e., I had to decide whether it was worth quitting over — if I had to do it again, I’d quit). The end result was that all piracy stopped. In fact, all usage stopped. Instead of selling 2 or 3 copies a day off the website, not one copy of the DRM version was ever sold. And due to very poor choices of service provider partners, the company received no revenue at all. Within a year the company had folded. The thing is, the new version was head and shoulders better than then non-DRMed version. And the DRM was truly unobtrusive (think DRM in WoW). Paying customers wouldn’t even know it existed. But sales are generated by popularity, not quality. Piracy, like it or not generates popularity. The company was very small and had no means of effective advertising. By cutting off the pirates, they shut off their only revenue source. What always kills me about this story is this: The app we were making was *perfect* for an open software model. Ask the service providers to each spend a small amount of money to cover development and give them the app for free. Give them branding in the app to thank them for their help. But the “sales” people were always quick to point out that the service providers they found had no money and couldn’t afford to pay us up front. How on earth did we fail? |
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Features? - by shutdown -p now (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread So far, the only feature in TFS that I can see as having “Windows bias” is ActiveX support. Which is kinda not surprising (I mean, who doesn’t know that ActiveX is “that evil Windows thing” - even people who don’t even understand what it is and how it works?). Qt also has an ActiveX support module, and it doesn’t make it any less cross-platform - no-one forces you to use it. Same applies here. |
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Re:Features? - by cbhacking (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread Thank you for a voice of sanity and reason. The fact that you can embed COM objects in the latest version of Silverlight does nothing to harm Silverlight on other platforms; it simply means that if you (as a developer) are willing to limit yourself to Windows users, you can now embed third-party controls written in C++ into your desktop app (what a bizarre concept, I know…) If you want portability, you don’t use this feature (any more than if a Java developer wants portability, he doesn’t rely on a native code module that does registry I/O). |
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Speaking of Bias.. - by Dragonshed (Score: 5, Interesting) Thread From TFA: Unfortunately, some of these features are not what they first appear. The HTML control in Silverlight 4 is not a new embedded browser from Microsoft, but uses components from Internet Explorer on Windows, or Safari on the Mac, which means that the same content might render differently. The HTML control only works out-of-browser, and simply displays a blank space if browser-hosted. The difference in rendering between IE on Windows and Safari on Macosx is a reality, whether silverlight is involved or not. The purpose of the HTML Control is to allow scenarios dependent on the HTML Bridge, the part of silverlight that blurs the lines and allows communication between the html dom + javascript and C# code, to run correctly when the app is hosted out of the browser. It’s essentially a crutch to allow developers that want to use siverlight a way to leverage existing investments in web application development. More seriously, COM automation is a Windows-only feature, introducing differentiation between the Mac and Windows implementations. Since cross-platform Mac and Windows is a key Silverlight feature, it is curious that Microsoft has now decided to make it platform-specific in such an important respect. Microsoft Office and parts of the Windows API have a COM interface, so access to COM makes Silverlight a much more capable client. This is a fairly obscure feature, and I’m fairly surprised that it was included at all, but doubt it’ll be of use to the vast majority of current and future silverlight developers out there. Like the html control, it’s a crutch, to allow developers that want to use silverlight a way to leverage existing investments. The mantra I’ve heard out of the silverlight team is to focus on unblocking customer scenarios (scenarios they cannot unblock themselves) without compromising the overall feature goals (like keeping the runtime download small). Nevertheless, Silverlight has crossed a threshold. It is now a runtime that has extended functionality only on Windows. That will not help Microsoft win developers from Adobe AIR, which has the same features on both Mac and Windows. I don’t think it’ll matter. Any developer that is seriously considering using silverlight over Adobe AIR, but is then persuaded not to because Silverlight’s Trusted Out-Of-Browser scenario has COM support on Windows and not on Mac is “Doing It Wrong”. It’s an edge case feature that doesn’t affect Silverlight’s over all “Cross-Platforminess”. Flame On. |
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MS releases Silverlight 4, nobody cares - by David Gerard (Score: 5, Funny) Thread Microsoft today announced the release of version 4.0 of its world-beating Silverlight multimedia platform for the Web. As a replacement for Adobe’s Flash, it is widely considered utterly superfluous and of no interest to anyone who could be found. “We have a fabulous selection of content partners for Silverlight,” announced Microsoft marketer Scott Guthrie on his blog today. “NBC for the Olympics, which delivered millions of new users to BitTorrent. The Democrat National Convention, which is fine because those Linux users are all Ron Paul weirdos anyway. It comes with rich frameworks, rich controls, rich networking support, a rich base class library, rich media support, oh God kill me now. My options are underwater, my resumé’s a car crash, Google won’t call me back. My life is an exercise in futility. I’m the walking dead, man. The walking dead.” Silverlight was created by Microsoft to leverage its desktop monopoly on Windows, to work off the tremendous sales and popularity of Vista. Flash is present on a pathetic 96% of all computers connected to the Internet, whereas Silverlight downloads are into the triple figures. “But it’s got DRM!” cried Guthrie. “Netflix loved it! And web developers love us too, after all we did for them with IE 6. Wait, come back! We’ll put porn on it! Free porn!” Similar Microsoft initiatives include its XPS replacement for Adobe PDF, its HD Photo replacement for JPEG photographs and its earlier Liquid Motion attempt to replace Flash. Also, that CD-ROM format Vista defaults to which no other computers can read. In a Microsoft internal security sweep, Guthrie’s own desktop was found to still be running Windows XP. |
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COM is windows only… - by wandazulu (Score: 5, Interesting) Thread …thank God. Only Microsoft has the peculiar genius that allows them to take a relatively straightforward concept (reference counting/smart pointers) add a totally over-the-top, incomprehensible library that was designed around the limitations of the broken template support in VC6 (ATL), then totally abandon it for “teh new shiny” because you lost a court case against Sun (.net). I have written a *lot* of code in ATL, and I regret practically every moment of it; I liked the idea of COM/ActiveX, it’s actually a really cool concept, and it even seemed to have an awesome future (all these COM objects that could talk to each other…Excel could control my toaster via my custom ActiveX dll) but suddenly it became all about the web and the era of a component-laden operating system ended before it really ever began. So for that I slogged through a bunch of ATL books, got to the point where I thought I knew how it all worked, and then all Microsoft wanted talk about was C# and |
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Re:The internet has no weight… - by calzones (Score: 3, Interesting) Thread Thank you!!! I came to read this posting thinking there would be some great discussion on the weight of information. What’s the difference in weight between a full hard drive and an empty hard drive for instance, and what can qualify as empty (since it’s possible having a series of alternating 1s and 0s is lighter than pure 0s for instance… I wouldn’t know) But instead this was all about the weight of devices storing said data. Humbug! I want to know how much all the data (and only the data) on all devices and transmitting on all lines actually weighs. Because the media can and probably will become lighter with time, but information itself can not become any lighter. I hope some mods gives you some points because this was the best post on here today. Of course, I’m late to the party and this is waaay down the page, so who knows if mods will ever make it down this far |
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No - by N7DR (Score: 5, Funny) Thread Ever wondered how much the internet physically weighs? No. And, oddly, even after someone else has asked the question, I still don’t. |
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What a useless question - by straponego (Score: 5, Funny) Thread |
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idleispants - by davidwr (Score: 4, Insightful) Thread Why isn’t this in idle? If it’s supposed to be serious, you have to amortize the weight of the equipment over its uses. A desktop that spends half its use playing solitaire, 1/4 of its use surfing the web, and 1/4 of its use spamming the world under viral control only counts for half. |
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Don’t be silly. - by Mr. Bad Example (Score: 5, Funny) Thread The internet doesn’t weigh anything. |
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Ibogaine - by casings (Score: 5, Interesting) Thread The only reason why this is necessary is because a compound that already exists is illegal and not profitable. |
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Side-effects - by Reason58 (Score: 5, Funny) Thread |
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Re:Unfortunately… - by betterunixthanunix (Score: 5, Interesting) Thread |
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So, this new vaccine… - by camperdave (Score: 5, Funny) Thread |
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Re:“Vaccine” - by RManning (Score: 5, Insightful) Thread From TFA… NicVAX works by stimulating the immune system to produce antibodies that bind to nicotine in the bloodstream, making the nicotine molecule too large to cross the blood-brain barrier and enter the brain. So it effects the immune system to recognize some particular foreign matter and deal with it? That sounds like a vaccine to me. |
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