Alterslash

the unofficial Slashdot digest
 

Contents

  1. Bees Can Use Tools To Solve Problems, Study Finds
  2. Anthropic Urges Global Pause in AI Development, Flags ‘Self-Improvement’ Risk
  3. New IronWorm Malware Hits 36 Packages In npm Supply-Chain Attack
  4. Companies Are Using Reddit To Manipulate ChatGPT and Google AI Search
  5. Meta Keeps Delaying the Release of Its New AI Model to Developers
  6. LinkedIn China Spying Threat Prompts Warning From US, Allies
  7. Supreme Court Sides With Trump Administration On Federal Regulation of Telecom Companies
  8. Samsung Ditches New Jersey For Texas, Costing Garden State 1,000 Jobs
  9. Apple Is Bringing Age Verification To Texas This Week
  10. Google Ordered To Put Clearer Links In AI Search, Let UK Publishers Opt Out
  11. NASA Says Goodbye to Its Longtime Mars MAVEN Mission
  12. Amazon’s New Stargate Series Is Officially Dead
  13. Demand Is Booming For New No Tech, Repairable Tractor
  14. Fedora Linux 43 Exposes 20-Year-Old Microsoft Outlook Security Failure
  15. EU Plots To Abandon US Tech

Alterslash picks up to the best 5 comments from each of the day’s Slashdot stories, and presents them on a single page for easy reading.

Bees Can Use Tools To Solve Problems, Study Finds

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian:
Bumblebees can use tools to solve a problem, according to experiments that demonstrate their remarkably advanced cognitive abilities. The bees were given an adapted version of an experiment that, 100 years ago, first demonstrated chimpanzees could work out how to retrieve an out-of-reach banana by stacking boxes. Since then, various other primates, elephants and crows have joined an elite cohort of species known to be capable of this level of insight and spontaneous problem solving. In the latest research, bees were shown to be able to roll a polystyrene ball to a specific location and climb on to it in order to access an artificial flower on a low ceiling. The findings challenge the longstanding assumption that insects operate purely on instinct and mindless trial-and-error learning.
“Most people think insects are reflex-based machines,” said Dr Olli Loukola, a behavioral ecologist at the University of Oulu, Finland, and senior author. “That they can’t have any emotional states or feel pain. Some people don’t even realize that they have brains. I hope that these results change the worldview about that.”
“We are not claiming that bees think like humans,” added Loukola. “But our findings show that miniature brains can generate flexible solutions to novel problems in ways we are only beginning to understand.”

The findings are published in the journal Science.

Anthropic Urges Global Pause in AI Development, Flags ‘Self-Improvement’ Risk

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Anthropic is urging leading AI labs to consider slowing development, warning that frontier models are advancing fast enough that they may soon be able to improve themselves without direct human intervention. The company says a global ability to pause or slow AI development would “likely be a good thing,” citing internal data about accelerating model capabilities. From a blog post:
Using public benchmarks and previously unreported data from within Anthropic, The Anthropic Institute is showing that AI is already accelerating the development of AI systems. To take just one example: today, Anthropic engineers on average ship 8x as much code per quarter as they did from 2021-2025.

The technical trends discussed in this piece suggest that AI systems are going to become much more capable in coming years. These trends have huge implications. AI that can build itself would be a major development in the history of technology — one that could bring enormous good for the world in science, healthcare, and beyond. But full recursive self-improvement also might increase the risks of humans losing control over AI systems. If systems are capable of fully building their own successors, the ways we secure them, monitor them, and shape their behavior all grow much more important. […]

If it were possible to effectively slow the development of this technology to give ourselves more time to deal with its immense implications, we think that would likely be a good thing. But if a slowdown simply lets the least cautious actors catch up technologically, it could leave everyone less safe. Without a global coordination mechanism, companies and governments will have to make difficult decisions about safety while under competitive and geopolitical pressures.

We believe it would be good for the world to have the option to slow or temporarily pause frontier AI development to enable societal structures and alignment research to keep up with the advance of the technology. The Anthropic Institute will conduct research — in collaboration with many others — and take actions to help build the systems that a credible slowdown or pause would require. These systems would enable frontier AI developers to verify that others globally have actually stopped or slowed, and that a bad actor could not use the auspices of a coordinated slowdown to jump ahead in secret. If such systems existed, we expect that we would slow down or temporarily pause, if other developers at or near the frontier also did so in a verifiable manner…

Anthropic urges…

By MpVpRb • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Everybody else to pause so they can dominate

Or…

By Junta • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

They are finding a plateau with where the LLMs can go and could use the narrative of a “pause” to explain why capabilities are going to iterate in a more ‘evolutionary’ way instead of the revolutionary way folks are expecting.

There isn’t to my knowledge a mechanism for the models to “self-improve”, whatever one may think, at least the output doesn’t have access to change the model in any way. The narrative of “oops the AI started evolving itself on accident” doesn’t have a way to happen.

Considering that even the vaunted Opus 4.8 can’t always develop mundane traditional software beginning, it’s hard to imagine it could rework the model itself even if it had such access.

The real problem

By marcle • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Isn’t that AI will develop some sort of “super-intelligence.” It’s that AI already is and will continue to be integrated more and more into daily life, and as it becomes more complex, there will be less and less visibility into how it’s arriving at whatever response or behavior it exhibits. We’ll lose control, not because AI is taking control, but because there won’t be any controls.

Crying wolf

By WaffleMonster • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

One of the problems AI companies have been persistently crying wolf with headlines about the dangers of the latest incremental release with similar calls for regulation and slowing it down for the last several years already. Assertions with the benefit of hindsight have proven as ridiculous and outdated as the baseless 10^26 idiocy having already weaved its way into legislation.

Anthropic’s statements coincide with an impending Anthropic IPO making them impossible to take seriously as anything other than a marketing ploy.

Any firm genuinely afraid of AI wanting to act responsibly and slow it down can always elect to stop funneling hundreds of billions of dollars into the enabling knowledge and industrial base by working on something other than AI. Nobody will ever do this because it isn’t in their best interests. When push comes to shove self interest is all anyone cares about.

“If it were possible to effectively slow the development of this technology to give ourselves more time to deal with its immense implications, we think that would likely be a good thing. But if a slowdown simply lets the least cautious actors catch up technologically, it could leave everyone less safe.”

Note Anthropic is not saying they will be acting responsibly. They want everyone to agree to collude and nerf themselves. If such an agreement can’t be reached then screw it full steam ahead we can’t afford to fall behind … for … drum roll… your . .. SAFETY. I give people more credit than to take this nonsense being peddled by Misanthropic at face value.

Guys, we have a huge problem

By T34L • Score: 5, Funny Thread

The shit we were gonna sell you? It’s too fucking lit. It’s so good that we’re rally worried, like, for your own safety, dude. We should probably think about taking a break and taking it easy so this good shit doesn’t become just dangerously good, like, on it’s own and shit. Then we couldn’t stop it from becoming always better forever and that would be bad! I mean, it would be good but too good to the point of badness. So we propose everyone takes a chill pill for a little bit okay? Just for a moment, everyone, chill.

Anyway the IPO filings are going great and you’ll be able to buy in on our good shit soon enough. But don’t worry, we’re gonna keep it on the DL so it’s just good and not too good. We got you, dude.

New IronWorm Malware Hits 36 Packages In npm Supply-Chain Attack

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A new npm supply-chain attack has infected 36 packages with Rust-based infostealer malware called IronWorm. According to BleepingComputer, the malware “targets 86 environment variables (key-value pairs) and 20 credential files that may contain OpenAI, AWS, Anthropic, and npm credentials, vault configuration files, SSH keys, and Exodus cryptocurrency wallet files.” From the report:
According to researchers at supply-chain and devops company JFrog, IronWorm is written in Rust, hides behind an eBPF kernel rootkit, and communicates with the operator over the Tor network. The Rust-based malware self-propagates by using stolen credentials for publishing on npm; this includes secrets associated with npm’s Trusted Publishing workflow. Once it compromises a developer or CI environment, it can publish trojanized versions of packages owned by the victim, which then infect additional developers and CI systems.

This behavior is conceptually similar to Shai Hulud, which had its code published on GitHub recently. Although JFrog researchers did not find a clear connection between IronWorm and Shai Hulud, they observed the same commit names in both supply-chain attacks. This opens the possibility that the new malware is an evolution of TeamPCP’s payload, since IronWorm appears to be “a custom, carefully built implant from an operation with its own infrastructure.”

[…] The company provides a list of all impacted package names and their versions in the report and recommends that developers upgrade to fixed releases, rotate their keys, and enable two-factor authentication (2FA) for all accounts. At the same time, Endor Labs and StepSecurity have spotted a very similar but distinct attack involving a JavaScript-based malware named binding.gyp, performing registry poisoning and GitHub Actions infection, unfolding during the same time-frame.

too bad you linked that garbage

By drinkypoo • Score: 3 Thread

The link we wanted was actually in that story, which is worthless by comparison

https://www.ox.security/blog/i…

Remotely downloaded code

By innocent_white_lamb • Score: 4, Insightful Thread

What, exactly, is the point or purpose of including code in your program that is downloaded from a third-party website every time you execute the program?

If you want to include a function or subroutine or library in your program, why wouldn’t you just download it and use that?

“Lets drag in random code every time we run the program” is a huge security hole on its own and I genuinely don’t understand why anyone would do that, or would even consider it as a worthwhile idea.

Re:Remotely downloaded code

By drinkypoo • Score: 5, Informative Thread

What, exactly, is the point or purpose of including code in your program that is downloaded from a third-party website every time you execute the program?

No, npm is literally the opposite of that.

If you want to include a function or subroutine or library in your program, why wouldn’t you just download it and use that?

I run Drupal and it uses composer, which does basically the same thing. But then I want some javascript libraries that you can’t get through composer repos itself, you need to get them from npm. So every time there’s one of these npm exploit stories I say oh shit, some more shit I need to read. Luckily I’m only pulling in literally two packages from there. But I don’t need to do this, I only do it specifically for the purpose of not having my site refer to some other site for those javascript libraries. That way, someone else changing their library doesn’t automatically screw up my site, or more plausibly since I am not running any javascript on the server side, start back dooring other people who visit there. So npm is exactly the kind of thing you think people should be using, except with less oversight which is why we keep hearing about loads of compromised packages.

Companies Are Using Reddit To Manipulate ChatGPT and Google AI Search

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from 404 Media:
The moderators of the biohacking subreddit say that peptide and hormone replacement therapy companies have been surreptitiously spamming Reddit in an attempt to get their posts scraped by AI chatbots. The strategy is an effort to systematically manipulate the answers provided by chatbots by manipulating the underlying source material that those chatbots will scrape — in this case, a popular Reddit community. In a post last week, the moderators of r/biohackers said they would be banning new posts about peptides and hormone replacement therapy (HRT) because of attempted manipulation by the companies that make, market, and sell them. […] “As AI search engines increasingly pull answers from Reddit, companies are using us for AEO. On top of that, there’s been an explosion of peptide interest and AI usage flooding the sub. Together, this has put serious pressure on content quality,” a post by the moderators read.

[…] It has become incredibly difficult to stop Reddit manipulation, because the firms doing it are getting more sophisticated. The moderator said that there are really standard and long-running strategies where brands will hop in the comments and suggest their products: “That type of marketing has always existed and if people want to try something new because the brand resonated with them, cool. That’s the way marketing should flow in my mind,” they said. “But what I’m seeing that is way scarier to me is that there are companies that will reverse-engineer the actual prompt patterns that are prioritized by LLMs, and so you’ll see someone post a super clickbait, high-traction, vague question like ‘Is all the hype around Vitamin D actually worth it?” they added. “And that thread will do really well because everyone on biohackers actually has an opinion, so it gets engagement and prioritized by LLMs, and then brands will sneak in and they’ll embed their brand mentions in those threads in the exact right places in a seemingly organic way. But none of it is organic, the entire thing is a strategy by an agency to prioritize brand mentions or a narrative within an LLM.”

The Reddit accounts that are doing this are “warmed up” or are made to seem human, meaning they have a posting history that is not just promotional. This makes them much harder to detect and moderate against. Some of the agencies doing this are paying real people to post promotional content, or have built communities where people are incentivized to post promotional content. The moderator said that Reddit’s automated moderation tools have been helpful, but that the type of promotion happening has become so sophisticated that it has become more of a you-know-it-if-you-see it kind of thing. “A lot of it has become pattern recognition,” they said. “You literally just sort of know what to look for. But the problem is you don’t want to become punitive to the people who aren’t doing this maliciously, and so I think the over-moderation risk is very real.”

It’s insane reddit is “source of truth”

By XaXXon • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

It’s crazy how many AI responses i get that source reddit posts as a source of truth.

Unreliable Sources

By Deep Esophagus • Score: 4, Interesting Thread

I got involved in a contentious topic on Reddit recently (amazing, right?) and I went to AI… can’t remember if I used Gemini or ChatGPT that day, but I asked it to provide evidence supporting or refuting the redditor’s claim.

It cited as evidence in support of the claim the very post I was disputing.

Full disclosure, I use AI daily (almost always for work, because our corporate overlords require it, but also for one-off jokes when accuracy doesn’t matter.) But I loathe ubiquitous, unsolicted use of AI in my daily activities and I never trust what AI tells me; at best I use it as a suggestion list of topics I can research in depth on my own.

Re:Gee…

By 0123456 • Score: 5, Funny Thread

> Someone’s gotta build a website that is made to magnet all the AIs to scrape it, but all the content is total BS (with some clever commands to break the AIs or pollute them).

So like Reddit, then?

What is a good source?

By Himmy32 • Score: 5, Funny Thread

Active sources of quality discussion with a wide range of topics and moderation are pretty few and far between.

Luckily, I don’t need that wide range of topics, so Slashdot is a pretty quality source for my AI searches. As it has the latest and best minable data on systemd conspiracy theories, projects being embraced and extinguished by Microsoft, confirmation on how bad AI should make me feel, and important armchair musings on economic theory. All with that healthy dose of grey bearded cynicism to flavor my LLM output.

this is everywhere

By drinkypoo • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

You can see this on every popular forum and social network. And as far as I can tell, the only people they ever try to verify actually exist are the real ones

Meta Keeps Delaying the Release of Its New AI Model to Developers

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Meta has reportedly delayed the developer release of its Muse Spark AI model API multiple times, and as of Tuesday, had no scheduled launch date, according to the Wall Street Journal (paywalled). Reuters reports:
A Meta spokesperson told Reuters on Wednesday that the company is already testing the Application Programming Interface (API) with some early partners and is looking forward to releasing it this month. “The muse spark API will be coming soon,” Meta AI Chief Alexandr Wang announced in a post on X in April.

Meta unveiled Muse Spark in April as the first model built to close the gap with rivals. Muse Spark is the first in a new series of models created by the company’s Superintelligence Labs. Earlier on Wednesday, Meta unveiled an AI agent aimed at helping businesses carry out day-to-day operations, hinting at the company’s ambitions to compete with rivals such as OpenAI, Anthropic and Alphabet’s Google.

Hmmm

By CEC-P • Score: 3 Thread
But, and I suspect they didn’t consider this, if nobody wants it because everything Meta made in the last 15 years has been garbage, flopped horribly, and their corporate image is so far in the gutter they literally cannot make ANYTHING that will be accepted widely?

LinkedIn China Spying Threat Prompts Warning From US, Allies

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The U.S. and its Five Eyes intelligence partners issued a joint warning (PDF) that Chinese military intelligence services are using LinkedIn and other professional networking sites to recruit people with access to government, military, foreign policy, or sensitive economic information. “These actors use an aggressive online recruitment strategy whereby intelligence officers or their affiliates pose as employees of private consultancies, think tanks or human resources firms, and place online job advertisements for foreign policy and defense analysts,” the agencies said Wednesday. “China’s military intelligence services ultimately seek to acquire privileged military, political and economic intelligence that can provide China with a strategic and tactical advantage over the Five Eyes.” Bloomberg reports:
China was targeting Five Eyes nationals with security clearance, particularly those working in foreign affairs, security and intelligence, and military personnel including people stationed in the Asia-Pacific region, it said. People with more peripheral access to government information, such as academics, journalists and think tank employees, were also being approached.

The Chinese embassy in the UK strongly condemned the accusations, calling the allegation of Chinese espionage threats “entirely fabricated” and “malicious slander.” The “Five Eyes” members have “engaged in unscrupulous espionage and intelligence-gathering activities around the globe. Their activities are the real threat to peace-loving countries,” the embassy said in a statement Thursday.

[…] According to the agencies, Chinese spies have commissioned reports to be written by those they’ve approached, paying them anywhere from a few hundred to several thousand dollars, with payments sometimes made in cryptocurrency. “Military members may be asked about their roles and unit activities, home base or naval vessel,” the notice said. “Five Eyes agencies have identified individuals who have undertaken these activities, leading to criminal prosecutions, job losses, and security-clearance revocation,” it warned.

Yes. And?

By TheMiddleRoad • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
This is obviously happening. Like saying that water is wet. The west does the same to the east in many ways.

There’s been news about this problem for years.

By PhantomHarlock • Score: 4, Informative Thread

It’s nice that they are making an official statement to drive the point home though.

LinkedIn is basically a platform for asset recruitment by foreign state intelligence services, job fraud scammers, and companies keeping job listings open that they’re not actually hiring for to make them look better to investors.

Why bother?

By ArchieBunker • Score: 4, Interesting Thread

The administration gives it away for free.

https://www.theatlantic.com/po…

https://abcnews.com/US/after-w…

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/18…

Waah Snot fair they are doing what we are doing

By Growlley • Score: 3 Thread
or should be doing!

Fucking Stupid Stories Always Lack Details

By SlashbotAgent • Score: 3 Thread

How much are they paying for fuck sake?

Supreme Court Sides With Trump Administration On Federal Regulation of Telecom Companies

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from the Associated Press:
The Supreme Court sided with the Trump administration Thursday in upholding the power of federal regulators to enforce data privacy laws on telecommunications companies. The 8-1 decision (PDF) preserved one of the Federal Communications Commission’s key tools, though the companies also won a concession from the Republican administration that could shift the regulatory landscape.

The appeal from telecommunications giants Verizon and AT&T challenged a combined $100 million in penalties imposed after the agency determined that the companies had failed to safeguard customer location data. The companies argued that the FCC’s process was unconstitutional because it gave them little opportunity to tell their side of the story in front of a jury. The administration defended the fines are an essential regulatory tool. But the government also said companies did not have to pay the penalties right away, a regulatory shift in the companies’ favor.

The Supreme Court agreed, affirming the FCC’s power to order fines when challenges are still available. “The orders at issue did not settle the carriers’ legal obligations because, stated simply, they did not create an obligation to pay,” Chief Justice John Roberts wrote for the majority. […] Other agencies use similar enforcement methods, so a sweeping victory for AT&T and Verizon could have had widespread effects, advocates said.

Case was about Jarkesy not the underlying offenses

By schwit1 • Score: 5, Informative Thread

The primary question presented to the Supreme Court was whether the administrative enforcement and forfeiture provisions of the Communications Act of 1934 violate the Seventh Amendment and Article III of the Constitution by allowing the FCC to impose steep monetary penalties without guaranteeing the defendant a right to a jury trial.

The FCC fined ATT and Verizon for illegally sharing location data. The companies said this was not permitted because Jarkesy required a jury trial.

The majority distinguished the FCC’s process from the unconstitutional SEC framework struck down in Jarkesy. Because the Communications Act leaves the ultimate mechanism of forced collection up to a subsequent federal court proceeding—where a jury trial remains available if a carrier refuses to pay—the preliminary administrative fact-finding by the FCC is a constitutionally permissible mechanism.

The 2 companies can refuse to pay the fines. The FCC could then take them to court where a trial would decide.

Re:The Federal Government is taking after Californ

By SvnLyrBrto • Score: 5, Informative Thread

Pot, meet kettle. And, by the way, you people do it more often. As per usual, an accusation, coming from a maga, is in reality a confession.

There are 39 U.S. states where a single political party holds “trifecta” control, meaning one party holds the governorship as well as majorities in both chambers of the state legislature. (Ballotpedia)

23 States have Republican trifectas.
16 States have Democratic trifectas.

Here is the breakdown by political party:

Republican Trifectas (23)
South: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia

Midwest & Plains: Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming

West: Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, Ohio, Utah

Democratic Trifectas (16)
Northeast: Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont

West: California, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington

Midwest: Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota
(Ballotpedia)

Re:The Federal Government is taking after Californ

By Himmy32 • Score: 5, Informative Thread
An 8 - 1 ruling is hardly the place to be complaining about partisanship…

Re:8-1 decision

By OrangeTide • Score: 5, Funny Thread

Verizon and AT&T should have offered the other justices interest-free loans to buy an RV. Really a huge slip up for these large corporations to not have used the levers they had available to them.

Re:Case was about Jarkesy not the underlying offen

By dfghjk • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Trump could not cure cancer, both because he is a moron and a sociopath. The hypothetical is absurd, it relies on an assumption that, if true, would entirely change everyone’s opinion about the rapist and child molester, including yours.

Samsung Ditches New Jersey For Texas, Costing Garden State 1,000 Jobs

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schwit1 shares a report from NJ.com:
Samsung is pulling up stakes in New Jersey and heading to Texas, a move that could leave roughly 1,000 Garden State workers facing a stark choice: relocate or risk losing their jobs. The South Korean tech giant confirmed this week that it will move its US headquarters from Englewood Cliffs, NJ, to its existing campus in Plano, Texas, marking a stunning reversal less than a year after it celebrated the opening of a new headquarters in Bergen County. The relocation is expected to be completed by the end of the year, according to company statements.
“Samsung Electronics America Inc. is undergoing a business transformation designed to better position our organization for long-term growth and future success. As part of this effort, we are relocating our U.S. headquarters from New Jersey to our existing campus in Plano, Texas, building on our 30-year presence in the state,” said Samsung in a statement emailed to NJ.com on Tuesday.
“As part of this strategy, we will be optimizing parts of the organization to ensure our roles and functions align to key business priorities. We recognize such adjustments will have an impact on our people and we will be providing support to those affected,” it continued.

The race to the bottom has begun

By Anonymous Coward • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Low taxes, low responsibility, low worker protection standards are always welcome by senior management.

Too bad they leave only scorched earth in their wake.

Re:Everyone is moving to TX or FL

By dagrichards • Score: 4, Insightful Thread
Yes, that is the messaging. It’s not the reality, but it is what what you all tell each other. Posted from the poor unpopulated state of California… with it’s puny $4T+ GDP

Re: Everyone is moving to TX or FL

By ArmoredDragon • Score: 4, Informative Thread

I’m preparing to leave California because what you’re describing is exactly the status quo in this state, where in my experience, it isn’t in either Texas or Florida. Go look at where the dirtiest cities in the country are all concentrated, and you’ll see what I mean.

Actually worse, because the only “race to the bottom” I’ve seen is California’s plan to capture more tax revenue for more social services that it already can’t afford. How is that a good idea when the fact that the people who bring in by far the most money to this state are already leaving is manifest?

If you bring in a lot here, you’re always told that you’re not “paying your fair share” when you’re already one of the top contributors. So they increase your taxes, then still say you’re not paying enough. And if that’s not bad enough, now they’re going to tax you on money that you not only don’t have, but speculative money that really doesn’t even exist.

You’re probably screaming “but that’s only for the 0.1%!” Well, guess what? That’s exactly what was said about almost every major tax regime we have, including federal income taxes. “More taxes for the rich” historically graduates to “more taxes everybody.” That’s especially going to be true in this case. Why do I say that? Because that tax isn’t going to solve the long term problems the state already has, rather only delay it for about one year. Think bilge pumps on the Titanic. One-time my ass, 1% my ass. More like racing towards the abyssal plain.

Re: Everyone is moving to TX or FL

By alvinrod • Score: 4, Insightful Thread
You presume that taxes are spent wisely. The reality is that more taxes simple mean more for bureaucrats to squander. Consider the state of California which spends increasingly more money on homelessness to poorer results. The bureaucrats don’t make more by actually fixing anything and have no incentive to solve the problem they were tasked with and by taking the problem entirely under the wing of government they eliminate any chance of a competitive market forming or even charitable organizations from providing solutions.

You’d have an easier time convincing the wealthy to pay more taxes if the money were being spent well, but when it’s not they’ll leave. They have more mobility than anyone else and will leave when they realize that their higher tax dollars are only being pissed away. Of course the bureaucrats will not give up anything so you will get to pay those higher taxes yourself when the birder gets shifted to the middle class to make up the difference. Don’t expect to get more for your higher taxes though.

Off topic, but relevant to why they do this

By gurps_npc • Score: 4, Informative Thread

Samsung is run by the most short sited, greedy people. Not surprising they abandoned NJ for an immediate benefit. I love their products, but they are literally destroying South Korea.

They created an internconnected network ownership system (company A owns 50% of company B that owns 50 of company A) that controls 15-23% of South Korean economy. They do so with a strong company-first culture, where the employees go out with their boss drinking on Friday night. At one point all night sessions were mandatory.

For some reason, people that go out drinking with their boss every Friday night never get married or have children. (Wow, who could figure that out....)

While South Korea does have mandatory child leave rules, no one USES them because if you do, you are seen as disloyal to the company and do not get promoted.

Their population is expected to be cut in half over the next 60 years. This will also mean that they will not have enough working young people to support the older generation, all within a decade.

Good news is that real estate prices should drop like a stone.

The main cause appears to be the idea of loyalty to the company and not to the family. Everyone puts their work first to the point that they do not have children.

(Note, the expense of raising a child does affect this trend as well, but the statistics show the problem is not married people refusing to have kids but instead people NOT getting married).

Samsung does make good products, but their culture is destroying their country.

Apple Is Bringing Age Verification To Texas This Week

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joshuark shares a report from The Verge:
Apple will introduce age verification in the App Store for users in Texas starting on Thursday, June 4th. The move, as spotted by MacRumors, comes just days after a federal appeals court allowed Texas’ App Store Accountability Act to go into effect while a lawsuit against it proceeds. People in Texas who are creating a new Apple account will need to verify they’re over 18 using a credit card or government ID. Apple may also automatically verify users’ age using the age of their account and whether they have a credit card on file.

Despite Apple’s attempts to push back on app store-level age verification, the company has announced plans to implement age checks to comply with laws in places like Utah, Louisiana, Brazil, Australia, Singapore, and the UK. Google is required to make similar changes to the Play Store and is also introducing age-checking tools for developers. Last December, a judge blocked the App Store Accountability Act (SB 2420) from taking effect, but an appeals court has now reversed this decision — at least while the court figures out whether the law is constitutional. Even if this law gets struck down in Texas, a federal version with the same name is still making its way through Congress and could impose age verification at the app store nationwide.

Because no one lies or has fake ids or a vpn

By Registered Coward v2 • Score: 3 Thread
So who is liable if an underage user circumvents the check? Do platforms make checks so intrusive to try to make it hard to circumvent at the cost of privacy? Should developers location block places with such laws to avoid violating the law because a user is underage but circumvented the check?

Re:Mixed Feelings

By Registered Coward v2 • Score: 4, Funny Thread

On the other hand, I don’t necessarily want kids under a certain age to be viewing hard-core porn and kink websites. Still, how many of us straight guys didn’t “borrow” a father’s Playboy magazine to look at images of the female body in junior high and later before online porn exited?

I did for the articles.

Re: Finally!

By Frank Burly • Score: 4, Funny Thread
I don’t know, the law is pretty draconian. If a child under 18 tries to register, their email is sent directly to Ken Paxton.

Texas Nanny State..

By CoolCash • Score: 3 Thread
Crazy to see Texas slide into the nanny state role so hard.

Google Ordered To Put Clearer Links In AI Search, Let UK Publishers Opt Out

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica:
UK regulators today ordered (PDF) Google to put clearer attributions and links to publishers’ content in its AI-generated search features. The UK’s Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) also said Google must give publishers a way to opt out of AI features in search. “In a world first, publishers will now have effective tools to prevent their content being used to power AI features in search, such as AI Overviews,” the CMA said today. “This will put publishers, like news organizations, in a stronger position to negotiate content deals with Google. To boost consumer trust, Google is also now required to make sure that publisher content is properly attributed, using clear links, in AI-generated search results.”

The CMA ruled that Google may not penalize publishers for opting out of AI, meaning that Google can’t downrank opted-out publishers in general search results. The CMA said Google will have nine months to comply with all requirements but that the agency “expects important parts of the controls to become available to publishers well before that deadline. Google will also be required to submit and publish compliance reports, supported by key data and metrics, explaining changes it has made and how it has complied.” […] The CMA applied the rules to Google after determining that it has “strategic market status” in general search services, and has ongoing investigations into Apple and Microsoft. Google today said it will comply with the CMA decision.
The News Media Association, a trade group in the UK, said that “the legally enforceable Conduct Requirements for Google Search published today are a significant step towards leveling the playing field and building a fair, transparent digital economy where premium content is properly respected and fairly compensated.” The group called on the UK to implement “robust enforcement.”

NASA Says Goodbye to Its Longtime Mars MAVEN Mission

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NASA has officially ended the MAVEN mission after the Mars orbiter stopped responding in December, apparently after an unexpected spin drained its batteries and knocked out communications. Launched in 2013 and orbiting Mars since 2014, MAVEN spent more than a decade studying how the planet lost its atmosphere and helped explain how Mars transformed from a potentially habitable world into the cold, dry planet seen today. The New York Times reports:
The NASA spacecraft MAVEN, short for Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution, had been orbiting around the Red Planet since 2014. NASA last received a signal from MAVEN on Dec. 6, shortly before the spacecraft passed behind Mars. Then the spacecraft stopped responding. A review board found that MAVEN began unexpectedly rotating, causing its batteries to drain too quickly and resulting in a loss of power to the communications system.

“The team is certainly broken up about this,” said Shannon Curry, the principal investigator of the mission and a scientist at the University of Colorado Boulder, at a news conference on Wednesday. “But at the same time, we are incredibly proud of the science we’ve accomplished over the last decade.” NASA officials declined to speculate on the root cause of the mishap. A final report is expected to be released later this year.

Noticed a lot of endings today

By Provocateur • Score: 5, Funny Thread

Isn’t there a rule of threes?

Let’s see…Stargate, Mars Maven, imaginary girlfriend…That’s it.

It could have been worse

By necro81 • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
Having it die spontaneously while in service to its (very) extended mission is a much better fate than being functional but deliberately shut down under the guise of “savings”.

A failure for our time

By dsgrntlxmply • Score: 4, Funny Thread
This mission could have been saved by a spin doctor.

Amazon’s New Stargate Series Is Officially Dead

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Amazon has reportedly killed its planned new Stargate series despite giving it a series order in 2025. According to Variety, studio executives were worried it would only appeal to longtime fans. ScreenRant reports:
Reports of what became Gero’s Stargate series started in 2022, after Amazon acquired MGM Studios. Dean Devlin, who co-wrote the 1994 Stargate movie with Emmerich, was another executive producer for the Amazon show, as were Joby Harold and Tory Tunnell via Safehouse Pictures. The project also had Brad Wright and Joe Mallozzi as consulting producers, with both having had extensive history working within the Stargate franchise.

On X, Michael Shanks, who played Daniel Jackson in Stargate SG-1, posted in response to the news that: “Yep. They did that.” Mallozzi was resistant to the idea that the series was being geared toward diehard fans: “Nope. No. Sorry. Gonna have to push back on this. We were ever mindful of creating a show that would have broad appeal.” In an additional post, Mallozzi went into further detail about why the cancellation is so disappointing:

Before the new series was canceled by Amazon, Stargate began with Emmerich and Devlin’s movie starring Kurt Russell and James Spader. This paved the way for 10 seasons of Stargate SG-1, followed by five seasons of Stargate Atlantis. There has also been the two-season Stargate Universe, the one-season animated show Stargate Infinity, the web miniseries Stargate Origins, and the 2008 direct-to-video movies Stargate: The Ark of Truth and Stargate Continuum, along with numerous games.

Re:Yeah. Just like James Bond or Star Trek

By Vrallis • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Canning it because of fears it would only attract old viewers is idiotic.

That is modern Hollywood though. Just look how many franchises have been destroyed because they insist on rewriting them for “modern audiences” that never show up, throwing away the entire existing fan base in the process—Star Trek, Star Wars, etc.

This was probably for the best. If this was the same attitude the studio obviously had then they would have kept trying to interfere repeatedly during production until they got their way.

Unnecessary

By Baron_Yam • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Stargate SG1 had a great setup for cheap production of an episodic planet-of-the-week show but that’s hardly unique.

The Stargate isn’t what made the show special, it was the self-aware humour and the charismatic cast. And the original cast is too damn old now, so you’d be rolling the dice with a remake.

In my opinion, it’s better to build a new setting than try to reinvent the old one. At least that way you don’t have baggage to worry about.

Amazon wanted to Rings of Powerify Stargate

By schwit1 • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

https://x.com/AI_EmeraldApple/…

The rumor is that the show writer, Martin Gero, would not budge on compromising lore or elements within the show for a “wider modern audience” as they did with Rings of Power for LoTR lore.

Martin Gero wanted to create a show that maintained continuity in the story and lore of the old shows, including the mythology and tech, while respecting the 17 seasons of history.

Amazon instead wanted something new for the “modern audience” that’s more accessible, reimagined, with more modern casual sensibilities.

Because the showrunners wanted to maintain integrity rather than turn Stargate into another “modern audience slop” like Rings of Power, Amazon leadership canceled it. The franchise heavyweight, like Joseph Mallozzi, was very excited for the fresh stories Gero worked on. Amazon says they are still open to Stargate, just not “this” version… yes they wanted to Rings of Powerify Stargate.

Re:still bummed about SG-U

By drinkypoo • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

I wish they’d done a few more seasons of Stargate Universe. I’m curious where the story would have gone, and what they would have found.

It took too long to get to the good part, by which time it had lost people.

If they had compressed seasons 1 and 2 into one season and lost the most worthless episodes, they might have gone on.

When the show is called Stargate, you expect Stargatey stuff. They set the expectation, then failed to meet it.

Re:still bummed about SG-U

By argStyopa • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

I too felt that way about SGU. Aside from introducing me to Flogging Molly - in one of the best applications of popular music to a show ever - I enjoyed the story that SGU was telling.

ON THE OTHER HAND…nostalgia is a powerful drug.
A coworker and I have watched from SG movie, SG1 through Atlantis all the way into SGU; we’re in SGU S02E10 and … it’s palpably running out of gas. Atlantis was absolutely an evolutionary step up from the monster-of-the-week very-1990s-feeling episodic SG1. It ended when it should have, while SG1 ran about 3-4 seasons too long.
SGU then was an *absolute* step up in writing depth and character building but already in season two it feels adrift. From episodes where basically nothing happens to utterly-contrived conflicts (let’s be honest, the entire Lucian invasion plot was incredibly stupid from s2e1). Also a tiresome (to me) emphasis on personal dramas…blech. That’s not what I’m watching the show for “Peyton Place in Spaaaaaace....”
I’ve read JM’s reddit posts on ‘what might have happened’ which just reinforces that none of this was already-baked, just writer-room ideas basically. Which it very much feels like.
I don’t recall precisely the last half of SGU season 2, I only generally recall it ended sort of abruptly. But right now, halfway through? I’m more looking forward to getting through it and us starting our Babylon 5 watchthrough more than the 2nd half of SGU.

Demand Is Booming For New No Tech, Repairable Tractor

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from 404 Media:
The secondary market for decades old, low-tech John Deere tractors has been booming for years as farmers have sought reliable tractors that they can actually fix without having to deal with John Deere’s repair monopoly. A Canadian company has seen that demand and came up with a radical thought: What if they made a new, repairable, “no-tech” tractor to solve what has become a gigantic pain point for farmers? Alberta’s Ursa Ag says that it has been inundated with demand after announcing its tractor, which costs roughly half as much as a Deere and has the benefit of not being a repair nightmare.

[…] Ursa Ag markets its tractors as “no frills” and “built to last.” Ursa Ag’s Doug Wilson told me that the company designed the tractor because of a need in the marketplace for a new machine that isn’t loaded with tech and is easy to maintain. The company follows in the footsteps of consumer electronics companies like Fairphone, which makes a repairable smartphone and Framework, which makes modular, repairable laptops. The demand Ursa Ag has seen is part of the backlash to manufacturer repair monopolies and the injection of technology and internet-connected sensors and terms of use into even the most basic of gadgets. “I talk to farmers every day and I hear from farmers every day about how they went out and bought machinery from 1987 so that it wouldn’t have a computer on it,” Wilson said. “All of this came from a simple discussion with a customer who wanted to be able to turn [the tractor] on at the start of the day, to use it, and shut it off at the end of the day. It needed to work, so that’s what we built.”

Ursa Ag’s tractor has been hyped in agriculture circles after Wilson showed the tractor off at a Canadian farm show and it was featured by Farms.com. Wilson said more than a thousand farmers have contacted him after that show, from roughly 30 countries. “I got a handwritten letter from a farmer in France who doesn’t own a computer and wanted us to mail him information about the tractors,” he said. He said the company has thus far made a couple fewer than 100 tractors but is working on tripling its production capacity and has seen a lot of demand over the last few months.
“Given the number of my customers that carry flip phones, I would say there is consumer pressure to back away from some of the technology that is unnecessary to perform everyday tasks,” Wilson said. “So that is definitely transferable to dishwashers and washing machines, refrigerators. Refrigerators that have screens on them that’ll tell you what’s inside. It’s a little crazy.”
“That high-tech stuff, the million-dollar John Deere tractor has a place. It has technology that is well worth the money,” Wilson said. “But that technology is needed for 5 percent of what a farm does. There are so many applications for tractors on farms that don’t require technology. The technology that goes into even a calculator is not required for most farming applications.”

Re:Capitalism wins again.

By OrangeTide • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Start reading your history book starting with a palace economy. Then check in every few thousand years until you get to capitalism.

As for personal ownership, also existed before capitalism. And the argument is a bit of a red herring as I neither confirmed or denied that there is personal ownership. Although I will assert that without regulation you can’t have a fair and free market, you’ll just end up with various iterations of self-dealing and Phoebus cartel.

Re:Capitalism wins again.

By chthon • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

Regulation is a check.

According to control theory you have three outcomes for a process, it grows unchecked to infinity (or until physical boundaries are reached), it stabilises, or it goes to zero.

For some reason, people think that because of ‘money’ this does not apply to these processes.

A stable process is a regulated process. That doesn’t mean regulation is simple.

Re:Capitalism wins again.

By radarskiy • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

“Nothing is more capitalist than trying to maximize your revenue.”

a) The motivation under capitalism is maximizing profits, not revenue.
b) John Deere isn’t trying to maximize their profits either; they’re trying to minimize the profits of others. That’s comes from a belief that all transactions are zero sum, which is definitely NOT part of capitalism.

Consider the scenario where you capture all of your customers’ surplus, or all of your suppliers’ surplus, plus one cent. Your customers not suppliers have no reason to say in business. At that point YOU are no longer capable of staying in business. Enlightened self-interest drives you to keep your customers and suppliers profitable.

However, the median businessman has no idea how capitalism works; at the 90th percentile they are actively opposed. At that point they are not capitalists, they revert to mercantilism.

Re:Capitalism wins again.

By cayenne8 • Score: 5, Informative Thread
Ahem....back to tractors one can own and self repair made simply and just works…

If they would only do this with CARS and JEEPS again.....simple, mechanical…without all the fucking tech, something in 60-70’s area of tech....I’d be one of the first in line.

It was nice to be a shade tree mechanic and work on your own vehicles on the weekends....

I guess maybe having just Bluetooth in the radio to hook my phone to to stream music..but shy of that I don’t need cars that phone home, nor have internet, or require software updates…fuck all that.

Hell I don’t even need a backup camera....I never use them on cars that have them anyway....so far, mine don’t.

Modified capitalism

By Okian Warrior • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

Consistently amazed that Capitalism(TM) only has good characteristics and apparently no bad.

The only other thing that seems to come close is religon.

The big critique about capitalism is wealth inequality - it invariably leads to some people getting most of the money, and everyone else getting very little money.

The problem with that critique is that wealth inequality is mathematically more fundamental than any economic system. In other words, any time there is trade in value, you will get wealth inequality regardless of the system.

You can see this in numerous simulations online, such as this one.

Wealth inequality follows a Boltzman distribution or a Pareto distribution, depending on the type of investments allowed, and this can be proven mathematically.

About 2.5 million books are published in the US each year, about the square root of that number (1500) break even in sales, and about the square root of *that* number (35) are best sellers. Lebron James scores 43,000 points in his career, Kobe Bryant scores 34,000 points, and there are a zillion players that score lesser values.

Wealth inequality happens any time you have trade in value, this can be proven mathematically, and it applies to any value in any system.

And as a side note, once you realize wealth inequality is inevitable, the main selling point of Communism disappears. Wealth inequality happens under Communism as well, and we have numerous examples of this in recent history.

To be fair, this wasn’t known when Marx was writing his thesis. At that time (1850’s), economics hadn’t progressed as far as it has today. Marx himself had a degree in law and philosophy, and not economics or psychology.

Capitalism has a bunch of bad characteristics, but we try to modify it to reduce the damage. For example, you can’t sell patent medicines any more, you can’t sell fake stock shares, and so on.

We use a modified version of capitalism that tries to avoid the bad characteristics.

Fedora Linux 43 Exposes 20-Year-Old Microsoft Outlook Security Failure

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BrianFagioli writes:
Fedora Linux 43 users upgrading to the latest Dovecot mail server discovered something rather unsettling: some older Microsoft Outlook configurations may have been silently ignoring SSL/TLS settings for POP3 email connections for years. According to a Fedora community blog post, affected Outlook clients reportedly continued using insecure port 110 connections even when encryption was enabled in the application settings. The issue surfaced after Dovecot 2.4 disabled plaintext authentication on non secure connections by default, causing Outlook users to suddenly lose mailbox access after the Fedora 43 upgrade.

The report suggests the behavior may date back as far as Outlook 2007, although modern Outlook builds were not fully tested. Fedora admins stress that the problem could be limited to legacy account configurations rather than current versions of Outlook itself. Still, the discovery has sparked discussion among Linux admins and security folks because many users likely assumed their email traffic was encrypted simply because Outlook claimed SSL/TLS was enabled. The incident also highlights how stricter defaults in modern open source infrastructure can expose ancient assumptions and questionable behaviors that quietly survived for decades.

“Legacy configurations”

By sound+vision • Score: 3 Thread

limited to legacy account configurations rather than current versions of Outlook

I’m assuming “legacy account configurations” means anyone who hasn’t moved to “Outlook (new)" or whatever they’re calling it this week. Meaning the vast majority of Outlook users.

Lookout!

By OrangAsm • Score: 5, Funny Thread
Better name for it.

Email guy…

By Temkin • Score: 5, Informative Thread

So I’m an email guy from way back… Literally decades…

Nobody leaves ports 110 & 143 open & exposed anymore. Not just blocked by a firewall rule, the Dovecot daemon’s themselves, properly configured, simply don’t listen on non-secure ports anymore at all. It’s dead technology. You get bit by this, you’re just an idiot.

What I found amusing is the bit about modern Outlook vs. Legacy. Modern Outlook, even on your desktop, is a cloud play. You might think you have a local App. You don’t. Modern Outlook can’t handle a simple “Linux” username as an account. The user “bob@example.com” represented by a “bob” entry in /etc/password cannot be used by a modern Outlook client. It passes the domain to M$ cloud and converts it to “bob@example.com”, which a local vanity Dovecot domain will reject. It’s intentional… They have placed their cloud between your local App and the email server. You think you’re running a local app, but they’re hoovering up all your email in a proxy config.

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Re:“Legacy configurations”

By caseih • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

STARTTLS on port 110 is was a very common configuration. So you wouldn’t tell anything in the logs from simply the port number.

EU Plots To Abandon US Tech

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Ancient Slashdot reader whitroth shares a report from Politico, with the caption: "shutting down Microsoft Office for the International Criminal Court (ICC) was clearly a wake-up call.” From the report:
The EU is moving to counter American dominance in technology by reaching for one of the oldest tools in its arsenal: industrial strategy. As the European Commission unveiled a plan Wednesday to reduce Europe’s reliance on the foreign technology providers that underpin the modern economy, it was careful to stress that it was not picking a fight with U.S. digital giants. Instead, the tech sovereignty package — motivated in no small part by U.S. President Donald Trump’s weaponization of Europe’s dependence on American firms — takes a longer-term view: boost the continent’s players so they can eventually challenge their U.S. rivals.

[…] If adopted, the package will direct public money toward products that contribute to Europe’s economy and independence from foreign firms; cut red tape for data centers; beef up research and innovation through “leadership initiatives”; incentivize countries to share digital capacities in a new “Eurocloud” forum; and require EU governments to come up with national strategies to boost the adoption of cutting-edge tech, including AI. The package will also seek to ramp up the bloc’s demand for advanced chips — a response to criticism by the industry — with a series of industrial initiatives to revise a 2023 chips law.

[…] As part of its proposal to keep a list of trustworthy countries, the Commission would require EU governments to run a so-called “sovereignty risk assessment” for every digital service they rely on, measuring foreign control, potential access to sensitive data and the risk of operational disruption. Within a year, they would have to determine the appropriate level of protection for each public sector and procure digital services accordingly — unless they can prove doing so would come at a “disproportionate cost,” the proposal reads. However, the Commission reserves the right to overrule their assessment in future legislation if it believes they downplayed the risks. The Commission estimated that just one percent of Europe’s public services are so sensitive that they would be required under the proposed certification scheme to rely on the strict level that totally excludes foreign technology.
“We cannot afford to depend on others for the technologies that keep our hospitals running, our energy grids stable and our services secure,” Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said in a statement. “This is about protecting our citizens, defending our interests and making our own choices.”

Re:Okay then, that was always allowed

By jenningsthecat • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Europe should have been allowing, recommending, and actively promoting the creation of their own software their entire time… Yes, that was always allowed.

Europe had a business partner - the US - who had been (relatively) stable, predictable, reasonable, and trustworthy for many decades. Why would they duplicate the dev effort and take on the expense of creating software which would then make it more difficult to interoperate with their American business / trade partner?

I agree with you that they should have taken the hit in the name of redundancy, resilience, and independence. That’s easy to see in hindsight; but when a situation evolves slowly, the need to differentiate yourself and become fully autonomous may not be obvious until a sharp break occurs. Trump’s second term was that sharp break.

Re:EU will not Deregulate To Accomplish This

By gweihir • Score: 5, Informative Thread

That is some fine FUD you have there. For example, the only time the GDPR gets tricky is when you plan to abuse and circumvent it. You should not believe the propaganda the billionaires put out. It rots your brain.

Re:EU will not Deregulate To Accomplish This

By gweihir • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

That is really insightless nonsense. I have done GDPR audits for companies as small as 5 people working there. It takes one person with a working brain a few days to figure this out. That is, unless you plan to steal your customer’s data and use every loophole available. Then it gets really tricky. And that is why the billionaires complain and useful idiots believe this nonsense.

Re:Dude deregulation isn’t a panacea

By gweihir • Score: 5, Informative Thread

Indeed. But the crap MS does stops now. I have no idea how they could be so incredibly stupid to block the ICC accounts or, recently, leak the names of Swedish Government Regulators to the US Congress. Yes, they are required to do this by law (just a “maybe” for the first case), but it seems MS has not fought back one bit and they did not really oppose the Cloud Act when they could have when either.

It is now exceptionally clear to any government and most companies on the planet that US companies like Microsoft can disable your MS-based IT when the US administration wants them to do so for arbitrary reasons or personal vengeance but the regime leader and can also steal all your data in there and hand it to the US administration. That completely removes any longer-term future for this tech outside of the US.

Re:Just keep those 3rd world Muslims coming in

By gweihir • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Yes. Evangelicals and other Christian fanatics are really no better than Muslim fanatics, they are just better organized and more sneaky. All fanatics are bad. Period. All fanatics are loud and try to rule the world. And all fanatics try to force others to think their way. They are the one group in the human race (besides the Billionaires these days) that must be carefully controlled and limited and, if needed, suppressed. Because if that does not happen, then everything goes to shit.

Also refer to “The Paradox of Tolerance” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance), which essentially says that the one group you must never tolerate are those that promote intolerance.