Alterslash

the unofficial Slashdot digest
 

Contents

  1. Meta Says US States Seek $1.4 Trillion In Penalties In August’s Youth Safety Trial
  2. How Flock Cameras Wrongly Tracked a Journalist for Days, Then Sent Police to Arrest Him
  3. FCC Approves Reflect Orbital’s Space Mirror Satellite That Astronomers Hate
  4. China Lands Rocket During an Orbital Launch For First Time
  5. Apple Sues OpenAI, Accusing It of Stealing Company Secrets
  6. Brown Professor Suspects Majority of His Class Used AI To Cheat
  7. Russia Hacks Doorbell Cameras To Spy On NATO Bases
  8. Feds Demand Autonomous Vehicle Companies Stop Interfering With First Responders
  9. NYC To Become First In US To Ban Deceptive Subscription Practices
  10. Disable Autoplay and Infinite Scroll Or Risk Massive Fines, EU Tells Meta
  11. Disney+ Explores a Free Tier As YouTube Draws TV Viewers
  12. OpenAI to Retire ChatGPT Atlas Browser Less Than a Year After Launch
  13. SAP Makes It Easier For Customers To Shop For Legacy Product Support, Ending EU Antitrust Probe
  14. OpenAI’s CEO of AGI Deployment, Fidji Simo, Is Stepping Down
  15. Microsoft to Retire OWA Light Client In Exchange Server

Alterslash picks up to the best 5 comments from each of the day’s Slashdot stories, and presents them on a single page for easy reading.

Meta Says US States Seek $1.4 Trillion In Penalties In August’s Youth Safety Trial

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Meta “said in a court filing on Monday that four states were seeking $1.4 trillion in penalties,” reports Reuters, “over accusations the company designed its Facebook and Instagram platforms to addict young users and misled the public about their safety.”
Meta put forward the figure in its response to the attorneys general’s filings on how penalties should be calculated if the states prevailed at trial. The number, which has not previously been disclosed and is close to Meta’s market capitalization of around $1.5 trillion, comes ahead of an August trial in Oakland, California, over the claims brought by California, Colorado, Kentucky and New Jersey against the company. Meta said the amount was unsupported by the evidence. “A sanction of that size has no analog in the history of consumer protection enforcement,” the company said in the filing. “The plaintiffs’ outlandish calculations have no basis in fact or law,” the company said in a statement, adding that it would continue to defend itself against the states’ demands.

A spokesperson for California Attorney General Rob Bonta said in a statement the lawsuit “alleges Meta has prioritized profits over the safety of kids and fueled the mental health crisis we see impacting a generation of American children. The California Department of Justice looks forward to holding Meta fully accountable at trial in August....”

Meta has denied the allegations, saying the attorneys general have no evidence it misled consumers about its platforms’ alleged addictiveness because “social media addiction” is not an established psychiatric condition, and therefore statements that its platforms were not addictive could not be false… Last month, [U.S. District Judge] Rogers rejected Meta’s bid to cancel the trial, saying there remained factual disputes over whether its social media platforms were addictive, whether Meta falsely denied it designed them that way, and whether it “partially” directed the platforms at children.
“A further 14 states have brought claims under their own laws, which will be heard at a separate trial in February…”

Thanks to Slashdot reader Sparkatron for sharing the article.

How Flock Cameras Wrongly Tracked a Journalist for Days, Then Sent Police to Arrest Him

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“Are you armed?!” the police officer screamed. “Get out of the car!”

A writer for the car-news site The Drive describes how “a technological chain linking surveillance cameras, AI, and law enforcement… led to me and my wife being surrounded by police, hands on their guns, in a Kohl’s parking lot in suburban Minnesota.”
After dropping off our Amazon returns, we’d just gotten back in the Range Rover and reversed maybe two feet out of the spot when four cop cars came flying out of nowhere and boxed us in… The Plymouth Police Department had been tracking me for days using Flock license plate cameras, waiting for the right moment to strike, because they thought I’d stolen the Range Rover. And the reason I was ID’d as a dangerous car thief was a simple data error made 2,000 miles away in California, creating an edge case within an edge case that Flock’s AI camera network was unable to handle… “The plates on this car are stolen,” Officer Ganshyn said…

This made absolutely no sense. Car companies keep meticulous track of the fleets they loan out to the media. The vehicles all have special manufacturer or dealer plates that are logged every time one enters or exits… The New Jersey plates that were allegedly stolen from the LA dealer were 34 03 DTM, not 34 10 DTM. But when the police report was created and the plate was entered into Flock’s system, it was just recorded as 34 DTM. Just the five large characters, no little number in the middle…

Flock’s AI tech wasn’t registering that non-standard little number when it began picking up the Range Rover around town… I connected the final dot. A lot of vehicles in [Range Rover manufacturer] JLR’s media fleet have a New Jersey manufacturer plate with the same alphanumeric structure — 34 ## DTM — and Officer Ganshyn observed that meant it was now a nationwide issue. Anywhere a police department has a partnership with Flock, any other JLR-owned car with the same plate structure is going to get flagged as stolen. In fact, four other 34 ## DTM cars were being tracked around Minnesota that week, according to Officer Ganshyn. I was just the first one to get nabbed.

The only way to stop it would be for the LAPD to correct their initial report and update Flock’s system, which Jaguar Land Rover was now racing to make happen following the phone call. Still, he warned me to drive straight home, park the Range Rover, and leave it there. If I were to cross into the neighboring town, I’d probably get flagged again and go through this entire ordeal again with a different set of officers. His parting words were ominous: “You’re lucky we’re in Plymouth. If you were in Minneapolis, they definitely would’ve come at you with guns drawn.”
Ironically, even the original license plate wasn’t stolen either, the article points out. It was reported misplaced during a Los Angeles photo shoot, and “The corporation had to report the plate as lost to law enforcement,” according to the police report — and even then, the plate “was reported as NJ 34DTM instead of NJ 3403DTM.”

The author’s conclusion? “Once these systems have you in their crosshairs, there’s pretty much only one way it can go… A simple data-entry error, magnified and broadcast nationwide by a growing surveillance network operated through an opaque partnership between a private company and public agencies, led police to identify me as a car thief and set up a sting to take me down. I mean, they even had a drone flying overhead during the ‘bust’…

“Thank God our kids weren’t with us.”

Thanks to long-time Slashdot reader sinij for sharing the article.

Re:Cops were actually well behaved, shockingly.

By ArchieBunker • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Probably because he’s a middle aged white guy. Swap him out for a black guy and I suspect the outcome would be a bit less cordial.

Deflock

By ArchieBunker • Score: 3 Thread

The stasi dreamed of a system like this so check out your nearest privacy nightmare https://deflock.org/

I am happy to report that the camera at my local Home Depot has been run over. What an unfortunate accident!

Re:Lawyer up

By awwshit • Score: 4, Interesting Thread

Good luck with that. Cops have Qualified Immunity for this kind of thing. Flock provided the network but did not operate it, the cops operate it. You’d be wasting your money on lawyers because it’s the cops.

This is an example of why Dragnets are illegal. A simple error, maybe even on the part of JLR that reported it, triggered a dragnet that caught at least one innocent person. There wasn’t really a guilty party here at all as the item was misplaced and not stolen.

There was a discussion the other day about someone that destroyed/disabled some Flock cameras. Someone was making a point about public records, well here is one.

Rather than lawyer up, its time to write your City Council, write your Representatives, and fix this Flock problem. Vote them out if they don’t listen. When this fails, then it is time for Civil Disobedience.

If the cops want to track everyone all the time everywhere then they need to hire *people* to track us all. Replace all of those cameras with vehicles and people, put in the investigative effort to track us all. Let’s see how much the City wants to pay for that.

3 points

By gurps_npc • Score: 4, Interesting Thread

1) The cops in Minneapolis appear to have the reputation for being psychotic morons. Suspects are not always guilty, as shown in this case and Car theft is most often kids joy riding (75%). Yes, 25% of the time it is organized crime (to steal a car for anything more than a joy ride you need good connections to large organizations to either chop it up or ship it out of the country). It is totally unreasonable to draw a gun on people joy riding.

2) The cops appear to be illiterate. The theft report said 34 DTM. While the flock cameras did not see it was 34 10 DTM, the cops SHOULD have seen the 34 10 DTM and realized something was off before they stopped the vehicle They should still have questioned them, but should have realized before hand that the license plate was not identical to the theft report and gone in more subtely.

3) Flock is incompetent and should be banned.

Re:3 points

By Registered Coward v2 • Score: 4, Insightful Thread

1) The cops in Minneapolis appear to have the reputation for being psychotic morons. Suspects are not always guilty, as shown in this case and Car theft is most often kids joy riding (75%). Yes, 25% of the time it is organized crime (to steal a car for anything more than a joy ride you need good connections to large organizations to either chop it up or ship it out of the country). It is totally unreasonable to draw a gun on people joy riding.

A pro also isn’t going to HD with his wife. Thefts by pros disappear quickly because, well, they are pros and want to avoid getting caught.

2) The cops appear to be illiterate. The theft report said 34 DTM. While the flock cameras did not see it was 34 10 DTM, the cops SHOULD have seen the 34 10 DTM and realized something was off before they stopped the vehicle They should still have questioned them, but should have realized before hand that the license plate was not identical to the theft report and gone in more subtely.

The problem, as shown in TFA, is the 10 are 2 small numbers stacked vertically between the 34 and DTM, so they get overlooked. Should the police looked closer, sure, but I can also see why the made the error because the 34 DTM is in much larger font size.

3) Flock is incompetent and should be banned.

Yes, and should be legally liable for damages in cases like this. At. minimum, if there system catches 34 DTM in multiple areas at the same time, that’s signs of a problem, and the art of pattern a computer should be good at detecting. The inability to report a tag as lost also means for this edge case it gets a stolen marker. You could tag it as lost and inform the tag owner not to reuse it if found, and if the correct number was entered if it shows up on a vehicle again mark it as stolen. That of course, would require work and changing a system.

FCC Approves Reflect Orbital’s Space Mirror Satellite That Astronomers Hate

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The FCC has approved (PDF) Reflect Orbital’s Earendil-1 test satellite, which will use a 60-by-60-foot mirror to reflect sunlight back to Earth after dark. “The reflected light from the satellite is supposed to span an area about 3 miles wide on the ground,” reports PCMag. It comes despite objections from astronomers and environmental groups who are concerned that the satellites will unleash intrusive light pollution. From the report:
The approval is only for one satellite, dubbed Earendil-1, which is meant to test Reflect Orbital’s technology for shining sunlight back to Earth. The satellite will boast a steerable thin-film reflector measuring about 60 feet by 60 feet, with the goal of powering solar farms at night or illuminating disaster-struck areas after dark to help rescue teams. Reflect Orbital envisions operating over 50,000 satellites by 2035, effectively surrounding the Earth with a fleet of mirrors. The proposal has faced stiff pushback from environmental groups and astronomers who are concerned that the satellites will unleash intrusive light pollution. The opposition has been so strong that the FCC received over 1,800 public comments on the application, many of them objecting to Reflect Orbital’s plan for Earendil-1.

[…] [T]he FCC approved the satellite, noting the grant is only “for a single demonstration satellite” to test an innovative technology that could advance American leadership in space. “The Communications Act states that it is the policy of the United States to ‘encourage the provision of new technologies and services to the public,’ and Reflect Orbital’s demonstration satellite is an example of a potentially groundbreaking technology that the Commission has found is in the public interest to support,” the order says. But on the most controversial aspect of the satellite, the FCC said the concerns around Reflect Orbital’s solar reflector are “unrelated to the Commission’s role in authorizing use of radiofrequency spectrum, and even if the Commission had authority to review and condition these operations (which it does not), these harms are unlikely to occur.

In addition, the commission said that U.S. courts have blocked the FCC from using “a generalized public interest requirement beyond its statutory authority in regulating communications. Accordingly, the operations of a solar reflector in space would not be reviewed as part of the Bureau’s public interest analysis.” The regulator also noted that conducting an environmental review for the satellite went beyond its authority. Even if the FCC did have the power, the commission emphasized that the grant is for a single satellite, not 50,000. “The majority of these comments focus on a hypothetical plan to deploy tens of thousands of satellites, and those who argue the single satellite will harm the human environment do not demonstrate with specificity the potential harm will be caused by the single satellite, but rather rely on the same studies as the commenters objecting to a larger constellation,” the FCC adds.

copyright trolls to the rescue!

By KiloByte • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

Our only saviour could be the Tolkien Foundation who’s been very active suing everyone who dares to refer to any of JRR’s works. And copyright has been given such a strength that the FCC has no chances, they may at most pay the extortionists.

Someone watching bond movies

By thepacketmaster • Score: 3 Thread
Die Another Day (and all the Bond movies) have been playing on the TV. Someone must have liked the Icarus weapon and thought, “let’s work up to that”.

Barely more than moonlight…

By Vario • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

If we assume a best case scenario, that is all sunlight is captured by the 60 x 60 feet reflector and then send down to earth in a 3 mile diameter circle this would correspond to a light intensity of approximately 0.02 W / m2 or 2 Lux.

This is barely brighter than the light from a full moon. Probably not even enough for any color vision. So in which scenario does that help? And that already entails that a full satellite is only dedicated to you. Someone with more economical knowledge than me might want to give an estimate what the hourly rate of a satellite of that size might be.

The whole idea then goes brr by assuming thousands of satellites (1000 Lux would be bright office lighting) which is still not enough for any photovoltaic usage. So this is only an investment vehicle for people that dream without basic math.

How Much Power?

By SlashbotAgent • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

I think that they should do this experiment. Launch it test it. And, within a year, burn it up on re-entry.

Knowing the results of this experiment are good.

The idea of putting 50,000 of these to power a massive PV array and heat the Earth is a dog shit idea. It’s bad on too many levels.

Again

By Ol Olsoc • Score: 4, Informative Thread
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Russians tried this in the 1990s. Seriously underwhelming, and not likely to be much better this time around.

China Lands Rocket During an Orbital Launch For First Time

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China successfully recovered an orbital rocket booster for the first time, landing the Long March 10B’s first stage into a net-equipped sea platform after its maiden launch. “This mission marks my country’s first successful controlled recovery of a launch vehicle and the world’s first network-based recovery of a launch vehicle,” the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC) announced via social media shortly after the launch. (Translation by Google.) “It signifies a historic breakthrough for my country in the field of reusable rocket technology and will lay a solid foundation for accelerating the improvement of my country’s space access capabilities.” Space.com reports:
The Long March 10B is a two-stage rocket that stands about 207 feet (63 meters) tall, according to the state-owned CASC, the main contractor for China’s space program. The vehicle’s first stage burns kerosene and liquid oxygen (LOX) propellants, whereas the second stage uses LOX and liquid methane. In reusable mode, the Long March 10B can loft about 16 tons of payload to low Earth orbit.

And the rocket flew with a payload on its debut liftoff — a satellite that successfully reached “its predetermined orbit,” according to the CASC update. That post did not provide any details about the spacecraft or its orbit. It did give a brief rundown of the first-stage recovery, however. “Approximately 6 minutes after the first and second stages separated, the first stage returned vertically and was successfully recovered at a sea-based recovery platform using a net system,” CASC officials wrote, noting that launch occurred from the Hainan Commercial Space Launch Site on Friday at 12:15 a.m. EDT (0415 GMT; 12:15 p.m. Beijing time.) “The launch and first-stage recovery missions were a complete success.”

Re:phrasing, subby.

By dinfinity • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

Is that better or worse? I was under the impression that most people find the catching of a rocket booster like SpaceX does with those little arms to be more awesome than just landing the booster.

I also thought that outside of having to land on Mars it is the preferred approach because it is more efficient.

Finally: Caught it in a net conjures up the wrong image. If you look at the video the ‘net’ is much more like the mechazilla arms and not some fishing net they plop the booster into: https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

Re:phrasing, subby.

By greytree • Score: 4, Insightful Thread
Worse, IMHO, they quote without correction this phrase “the world’s first network-based recovery of a launch vehicle” where it is clear that “network” is a mistranslation.

Apple Sues OpenAI, Accusing It of Stealing Company Secrets

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from The New York Times:
Apple on Friday accused OpenAI of stealing secrets about products still in development, setting up a legal face-off between two of the world’s biggest tech companies. In a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, the consumer tech giant said that OpenAI, a leader in artificial intelligence that has a new hardware business, had asked job candidates from Apple to share details about secret projects and to bring device components and prototypes to their interviews. Apple also accused an OpenAI employee of downloading internal documents from a laptop owned by the iPhone maker. OpenAI used the confidential information to approach Apple’s manufacturing partners, including asking one partner to demonstrate Apple’s technique for finishing metal on its devices, the lawsuit says. Apple sent a letter to OpenAI in February to raise concerns that confidential information could be “making its way to OpenAI’s business improperly,” according to the suit. OpenAI did not respond, Apple said. “OpenAI’s nascent hardware business now rests on the shakiest of foundations, rotten to its core by its illegal reliance on misappropriated trade secrets,” Apple wrote in its lawsuit.

[…] In its lawsuit Friday, Apple accused Tang Tan, OpenAI’s chief hardware officer and a former Apple executive, of coaching his hires from Apple on how to evade Apple’s security processes for departing employees. Apple accused another former employee, Chang Liu, of using a former colleague’s Apple-owned laptop to access and download technical documents while working at OpenAI. Mr. Liu told that Apple employee what information about unannounced products she should study before job interviews, Apple said. Mr. Liu also planned to access internal documents through an Apple-owned laptop that he didn’t return when he left the company, according to the lawsuit. OpenAI had misled the manufacturing company it approached to learn about the metal finishing technique to believe it had Apple’s permission to view it, according to the lawsuit. Apple is seeking an injunction that would prevent OpenAI from possessing, using or sharing Apple’s trade secrets, as well as an order requiring OpenAI to return Apple’s intellectual property.

No this is not possible

By phantomfive • Score: 5, Funny Thread
Sam Altman is a fine, upstanding young man with not a hint of deception in his bones. He would never lie, cheat, steal, infringe copyright, engage in corporate espionage, abuse his sister, lie to the board, or anything remotely unethical. When Aaron Schwartz said that Sam Altman couldn’t be trusted, of course he was being sarcastic.

Re: No this is not possible

By xgerrit • Score: 4, Interesting Thread
I worked for a startup that was building a fitness app, and Apple asked our marketing team to pitch ideas for an Earth Day promotion to promote us in the App Store. Our team had a pretty unique idea that we all were excited about, but after the pitch our Apple contact stopped answering messages about the promo. Sure enough, 3 months later Apple took the exact idea and used it in a promo for one of their own products on the App Store. At the time I thought this was some weird one-off thing that happened, but it turns out it wasn’t.. it’s exactly how they operate. Make no mistake, OpenAI is no saint, but Apple is a ruthless mega-corporation that’s been stealing ideas for years. There’s no one to root for in this one.

source without paywall

By jarkus4 • Score: 3 Thread

https://www.reuters.com/legal/…

OpenAI is run by Morons

By locater16 • Score: 3 Thread
Morons with a capital M. As I’ve heard it direct from big tech company employees there are perfectly established ways to skirt trade secret laws, you sit there and ask the employees in question “how we might go about accomplishing” X thing that their previous employer did, and in a roundabout way they tell you what direction to take, and pretty soon your to the same place and that’s it, you’re free and clear. On the other hand directly asking “share secret project”, “bring prototypes”, and such directly seems to contradict all established trade secret law I know about.

Which is to say: Apple seems to have a fantastically clear and straightforward case and are 100% going to win an enormous settlement. OpenAI has to be the company with highest liabilities, maybe in all of history. Like holy fuck are they in the deepest hole I’ve seen since The South Seas Trading Company, the world first stock scam that was so big it almost bankrupted England. I can’t wait for the podcasts and books and movie(s?, probably) all about the collapse. It’ll be so much fun.

Brown Professor Suspects Majority of His Class Used AI To Cheat

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Longtime Slashdot reader schwit1 shares a report from Inside Higher Ed:
For the first time since he started teaching Welfare Economics and Social Choice Theory nearly two decades ago, Brown University economics professor Roberto Serrano gave his students a take-home midterm this spring. Quite a few students had expressed anxiety about being in a classroom after a gunman killed two students and injured nine in a December mass shooting at Brown, and so “it was appropriate,” he said, to allow students to take their exams at home. But by the end of the semester, Serrano regretted the decision. Dozens of students in the class likely used artificial intelligence to cheat and earn perfect or near-perfect scores on their midterm, he said. Serrano in turn made the final exam in-person, which led more than a dozen students to drop the course and even more to fail it.

Administrators’ response to the widespread cheating event has been “meek,” he said, and the incident has raised questions about how universities can — and should — respond to AI-enabled cheating at scale. “I am not declaring [the midterm] void for now. I am going to give the class a chance to prove me wrong,” he wrote. “That is, if the distribution of the final exam is roughly similar to the distribution of the midterm, I will count the midterm. Otherwise, which is of course what I expect to happen, I will declare the midterm void and reweigh the final accordingly.” Serrano heard crickets from his students, but 18 of them subsequently dropped the class. Nine students remained enrolled but did not take the final exam. And Serrano said the results proved him right; three students earned a zero, and the average score on the final was 48.6 percent — by far a historic low, he said. Previously, the average final exam score had never dropped below 65 percent. Only a few students scored similarly to how they did on the midterm.

Cheating is too easy

By Ksevio • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

First of all, props to student 22 who clearly didn’t cheat on the midterm and managed to do better on the final, but it looks like about 85 out of 89 students cheated.

With cheating being so easy, professors really need to be having in-person tests to see if the students are learning anything. I wonder if giving students the exact same test out of class and then in class would show who cheated more clearly

Re:“Welfare Economics and Social Choice Theory”

By sound+vision • Score: 5, Informative Thread

Even if you hate welfare, and want to kill everyone on it - studying the economics of it will help you do that.

Also, this is not about a Brown professor, it’s about Brown students.

Part of a bigger crisis in education

By thecombatwombat • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

There is a fundamental crisis going on in colleges that has nothing to do with AI.

The professor wants a classroom full of students who actually care about what he has to teach. The administration wants those students, their paying customers, to keep paying.

Universities have had this crisis brewing for a long time:

We made a college degree necessary for most desirable jobs. Universities loved this, college degrees grew at a massive rate, the cost of them grew even more.

Then all at once they realize that hey, the students who are there, don’t actually *want* to be there. They just want to buy their diplomas and get out, and act accordingly.

They can’t have it both ways, this tension has been a thing for a long time.

Something fundamental has to give.

Re:The death of homework

By Local ID10T • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

Homework is for practice. It is for students to exercise the knowledge they have gained. To fix it in their minds as more than a passing thought. To enhance retention of the materiel. Listen to the lecture, read the book, practice the exercise… retain the knowledge.

There is no point to grading homework. Except as a feedback loop for the students. So that they know what they thought they understood -but did not.

In class time is for lectures, discussions, and Q&A. Don’t waste the interactive time doing things that can be done solo.

Re:“Welfare Economics and Social Choice Theory”

By quenda • Score: 5, Informative Thread

I must admit, the title of the course sounds a bit political, but I thought best to look it up before leaping wildly to conclusions:

While the words “welfare” and “social choice” might sound like political buzzwords to a layperson, in academia they refer to highly formal, mathematical subfields of standard microeconomic theory.
Taught for decades by Professor Roberto Serrano, it is known as a rigorous, proof-heavy class rather than a political forum. If you recently heard about the class in the news, it is likely due to an academic integrity controversy involving a take-home exam and suspected student use of generative AI, rather than anything related to politics.

Russia Hacks Doorbell Cameras To Spy On NATO Bases

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Dutch intelligence agencies say Russian hackers have been hijacking unsecured internet-connected cameras, including likely doorbell and security cameras, to spy on NATO military bases and transport routes used to move weapons to Ukraine. “Organisations with IP [internet protocol] cameras on these routes have now been warned so that they could take action,” said the AIVD domestic security and MIVD military intelligence agencies. Targeted NATO member states include the Netherlands and Ukraine. The Telegraph reports:
While the intelligence agencies did not specify the type of cameras hacked, the doorbell systems are frequently used by people to monitor their property from mobile phones. Hackers then use readily available apps to scan for devices that might be accessible. The Dutch investigation found that many of the cameras were unsecured, and “often have standard passwords, outdated firmware and standard configurations.” They said: “When the IP camera is identified, the malicious party can attempt to access the IP camera via the internet. This is often relatively easy, because many IP cameras connected to the internet are insufficiently secure.”

[…] The practice is now considered easier and cheaper than using drones and satellites to gather intelligence. It also aids operational surprise because most camera owners are blissfully unaware their devices have been penetrated by hackers. Ground-based cameras offer a unique perspective on the terrain, which isn’t the case with conventional aerial-based spy kit.

Fact check

By r1348 • Score: 3, Interesting Thread

Targeted NATO member states include the Netherlands and Ukraine.

Ukraine is not a NATO member state. If you know anything about the conflict, you’d know that’s kinda the whole point.

Seriously, who writes these summaries?

Re:Oh no the Russians!

By Registered Coward v2 • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

If it is possible to walk into cameras on NATO bases like that, honestly they deserve it. This shit should be locked behind seven layers of impossible.

Per TFA,it’s civilian cameras on transit routes, so what it sounds like is they look for cameras along major roads and hack into them to follow shipments. It would not surprise me if they were trying to hack phones/watches/fitness bands or anything that can track individual then look at data to try to find the drivers by correlating the data with traffic data.

That;s why i work on EU CRA

By 4wdloop • Score: 4, Informative Thread

As much as it sucks to comply to it, EU CRA that will be in full force on Dec’27 is supposed to combat these problems.

Feds Demand Autonomous Vehicle Companies Stop Interfering With First Responders

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NHTSA is ordering autonomous vehicle developers to explain by the end of the month how they will stop driverless cars from interfering with police, firefighters, and paramedics. TechCrunch reports:
[NHTSA Administrator Jonathan Morrison] noted in the letter (PDF) that the agency has “identified a clear pattern of driverless AVs interfering with law enforcement and other first responders,” citing instances in which these vehicles drove into active emergency scenes, blocked the paths of ambulances and firefighters, or failed to recognize and respond to basic safety conditions like flashing lights, flares, smoke, fire, and traffic cones. The agency has demanded that AV developers present their “solutions” to this problem by the end of the month.

“Let me be clear: the inability to detect and appropriately respond to such situations represents a functional insufficiency,” Morrison’s letter reads. “Emergency scenes are not rare or extreme ‘edge cases.’ As such, NHTSA is today issuing a call to action for AV developers and operators to immediately focus their resources on fixing this issue.” The agency doesn’t explicitly call out any particular company in the letter; however, the details suggest it is directed at robotaxi operators like Waymo.

[…] The agency’s letter to AV developers doesn’t say what the consequences would be if the request is ignored. Nor does it outline what the acceptable solutions would be. But the agency does imply it would hold companies accountable, just as it does human drivers who impede law enforcement. “Every second matters when law enforcement officers, firefighters, or paramedics are answering a call because lives are on the line,” the letter states. “That is why human drivers who impede these operations are subject to fines and even jail time.”

The agency also noted in a press release accompanying the letter that it’s making progress on updating Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) requirements, which govern vehicle design and equipment requirements. These proposed changes could help autonomous vehicle companies like Tesla and Zoox, which are developing vehicles without steering wheels, pedals, or other features required on human-driven cars. The agency has already proposed rules that would eliminate the need for windshield wipers, sun visors, defogging systems, and tire placards. The agency released a new 2026 Regulatory Plan and Unified Agenda last week, outlining its proposals.

Re: Who is liable in an accident?

By drinkypoo • Score: 5, Informative Thread

The company is the operator.

We can hold corporations responsible, we just usually don’t

Easy part’s done

By abulafia • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
They made them capable of easy-mode driving.

Now the engineers need to work on exception handling.

I mean that sincerely. These things only work when things are normal. Power failures, unmapped blockages, a roman candle in the street, even crowds turn them in to traffic blockages themselves.

Just wait until there’s an actual mass casualty event - earthquake, terror, something like that, and these all things go comatose in intersections like they did in SF last year.

Priorities

By mccalli • Score: 5, Interesting Thread
Years back I was interviewing people for a coding position. We went through the standard tech stuff and then did a bit of project to see how they thought. We said (this is circa 2009’ish I think) - imagine you’re on a team creating a new phone. You don’t have time to test all the functions, so which would be your top two functions to ensure working?

All a bit Kobayashi Maru - obviously you can’t release a phone testing only two functions, but we wanted to see what they’d prioritise. The very best answer we received was this one: “I would make sure it has the ability to call emergency services.” Their thinking was that this was likely the most critical feature of a phone for both a user, and also for the manufacturer to avoid being sued. Absolutely great answer.

And yet here we are, with the post above. Taking the thinking of this interviewee - the ability to work with emergency services is important for general society, for the user of the vehicle (so they don’t get in trouble) and for the manufacture of the vehicle (so they don’t get fined/sued/both). Absolutely critical.

Re:Good luck with that

By dgatwood • Score: 4, Informative Thread

So the problem with these things is they Don’t really work. Google admitted that at a congressional hearing.

Citation needed.

They’re basically remote controlled cars with really really fancy driver assist features. Frighteningly it appears that they are sometimes piloted from the Philippines. Publicly Google will tell you that’s not true but that’s not what they told Congress when they were under oath…

Google doesn’t even have self-driving cars. Maybe you’re thinking about Waymo (which is part of Alphabet, not Google).

Regardless, no, to the best of my understanding, they cannot be driven remotely at all, at least by any normal person’s definition of the word “drive”. When intervention is required, the remote operators get a dump of camera images to review, and then they draw a proposed path on a map. The car then tries to follow it, and aborts if doing so would result in hitting anything. This may have to be done more than once to get it out of the problem situation. When the vehicle says that it is comfortable proceeding on its own, the remote operator tells it to go ahead, and it takes over path planning again.

At no point is any remote operator in direct control over the vehicle. All they can do is propose an alternative path when the vehicle’s path planner gets stuck trying to figure out how to safely extricate itself from some situation. At all times, the vehicle’s software is the driver. The remote operator is just hinting that it should go to the left of safety cone A, to the right of cone B, etc. (or whatever the situation happens to be). This is why it takes so long to extricate a stuck car. If there were an actual remote driver that could take real-time control, it would take just a few seconds.

The obvious problem with all this is that they’re going to have problems with ambulances and such.

From what I’ve read, when a Waymo car sees emergency lights, it stops driving and gets out of the way. I do see one (presumably) recent video where a Waymo stopped in a place that actually delayed an ambulance from getting past it on a narrow street, so unless that’s an old video, I’m guessing there’s still a bit more tweaking required in terms of recognizing whether the right choice is to stop or to move out of the way. I’d imagine someone is already working on making sure that particular edge case doesn’t happen again.

What I’m not seeing is evidence of some widespread problem with autonomous vehicles in general. There’s an edge case here or an edge case there where something didn’t work as expected. And they’ll complain about it, and the AV company in question will figure out why the car did the wrong thing, update their training sets, and that specific scenario won’t happen again.

(This, of course, ignores Tesla, because the emergency vehicle drivers can’t tell if the vehicle is being driven by the car or by a human, making any sort of reporting problematic at best.)

So realistically, I suspect that the answer to a vague demand from a government agency demanding to know what AV companies will do to prevent bad interactions with emergency vehicles will always be “exactly what we’re already doing”, because apart from coming up with new simulated situations to test (which they’re always doing), there’s really nothing they can do to prevent the car from behaving the wrong way in some vague unspecified future situation that nobody has thought of yet. And the answer to what they’re doing to prevent a specific situation will usually be “We’ve already updated our training sets and that won’t happen again.”

To that end, I’m really not sure what they’re trying to accomplish with sending a letter like that. Seems more like political posturing than any actual attempt at solving a problem. *shrugs*

Re:Good luck with that

By XXongo • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

You got Google you can look up what I wrote and confirm it.

In my experience, when a person asks for a citation to some purported fact somebody posted and the guy posting it responds “Google it”, this almost always means “I don’t have a citation”, which usually translates “I heard it on the internet somewhere, not sure where.”

Oddly, I was prepared to believe you right up to the moment you posted this.

NYC To Become First In US To Ban Deceptive Subscription Practices

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On October 1st, New York City will become the first U.S. city to ban deceptive subscription practices, requiring companies to offer simple cancellation options or face fines of $525 per user subscription, back fees, and additional penalties. The Mamdani administration is also proposing a junk-fee rule requiring sellers, landlords, hotels, and other businesses to “advertise the total price for any good or service, including all mandatory additional charges and fees, up front.” The Guardian reports:
“People shouldn’t have to wait on hold for half an hour or send a certified letter or show up to a store in person in order to cancel” a subscription, said Samuel AA Levine, the city’s commissioner of consumer and worker protection, in an interview. The new measures are expected to be announced in a press conference on Friday morning.

The proposed fee rule could have an especially wide impact, sending ripples through New York’s expensive housing market, where about 70% of residents rent. Apartment renters in the US face a rising tide of add-on fees such as “boiler management” and “lifestyle” charges from management companies, which make true rental costs hundreds of dollars higher than the price stated on real-estate company websites.

If the proposed renters rule passes after public comment and hearing, any mandatory fees, including annual ones, would need to be included in the stated monthly rental price, Levine said. The current situation creates “a scenario where rather than competing on price, companies are competing on their ability to hide the true price. That’s the worst kind of incentive” — and one that deeply distorts the market, Levine said.

Re:Didn’t The FTC Do This Two years ago?

By ArchieBunker • Score: 5, Informative Thread

Republicans gutted all authority from federal agencies because it made the mega corps unhappy.

Interesting

By ArchieBunker • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

So it turns out politicians can pass legislation that helps people.

It’s too bad…

By PhantomHarlock • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

…that it’s just New York City. Hopefully the idea will spread.

Laissez faire capitalism is great if everyone is honest. But in this reality there are a lot of incredibly dishonest people who will do anything for a buck. A modicum of base regulation is desirable to keep consumers from getting swindled at every turn. I applaud efforts like these.

Sounds good

By cosmicl • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
so why just NYC? How about for all of the US? Oh, wait. elections have consequences.

Re:Didn’t The FTC Do This Two years ago?

By jacks smirking reven • Score: 5, Informative Thread

Also to be extra clear the 8th circuit struck it down for procedure, the FTC was supposed to have done a certain type of economic impact analysis for the rule and it could not go into effect before that happened. The court did not actually make a ruling on the rule itself and in fact were sympathetic to what the law was trying to do.

The FTC can re-implement the rule after that analysis is complete and it can go through the process after that but with the current admin they have chosen not to and generally Republicans were opposed to the rule.

If Lina Khan was still at FTC I imagine it would have been done but Sarah Ferguson who voted against the rule initially now runs it. But both parties are the same of course.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-p…

Disable Autoplay and Infinite Scroll Or Risk Massive Fines, EU Tells Meta

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica:
The European Union is ramping up pressure on Meta to make big changes to Facebook and Instagram after the European Commission preliminarily found that features like autoplay, infinite scroll, and highly personalized content recommendations were addictive. On Thursday, the EC said its investigation indicated that “Meta did not adequately assess the risks of its addictive design on the physical and mental wellbeing of users, including minors and vulnerable adults.” “These features fuel the user’s urge to keep scrolling and shift the brain into ‘autopilot mode,’ contributing to unhealthy habits and compulsive use,” the commission said. Over the next few months, Meta will have an opportunity to dispute the claims, and it has already taken a defensive stance. Meta’s spokesperson, Ben Walters, told Reuters that Meta disagrees with the commission’s preliminary findings, which supposedly “don’t accurately take into account the significant steps we’ve taken to protect teens.”

“Since this investigation began, we rolled out Teen Accounts that automatically protect teens and put parents in control — allowing them to block access to Instagram at night and cap daily screen time at just 15 minutes,” Walters said. However, the EC emphasized that Meta’s current mitigation efforts, including time management tools activated by default for teens, “failed to effectively tackle the risks stemming from its addictive design.” Additionally, parental controls were deemed “only effective if parents and guardians possess adequate technical expertise” and dedicated “effort and time to understand them effectively.” “This undermines the efficiency of such measures in addressing the inherent risks posed by Instagram and Facebook’s addictive design,” the EC said, particularly for minors.

At this stage, the EC recommended that Meta consider “disabling key addictive features such as ‘autoplay’ and ‘infinite scroll’ by default, implementing effective ‘screen time breaks,’ and adapting its recommender system to make it less engagement-oriented.” If Meta fails to make changes to comply with the EU’s Digital Services Act, the company risks fines up to 6 percent of its global annual turnover when the EC makes its final decision in the coming months. “Our starting point is that, based on our findings, this design is too addictive and changes need to be made,” Henna Virkkunen, the EU’s tech chief, told Reuters. “The next step is either that Meta changes its design or a non-compliance decision will follow,” she said, noting in the press release that the EU’s priority is “protecting the physical and mental health of Europeans.”
“The Digital Services Act provides a clear framework to hold platforms accountable for the addictive design and effects of their services,” Virkkunen said. “We are fully committed to enforcing our legislation in Europe.”
The report also notes that the EC will share findings from experts on Monday that “could help pave the way for a Europe-wide social media ban for teenagers.” It’s not looking much better for Meta in the U.S., either. The company faces a lawsuit from 29 states that claim Meta’s platforms addict kids. “That trial begins in August, and states may seek up to $1.4 trillion in penalties if Meta is found guilty,” reports Ars.

Re:Leave Meta alone or face embargoes on all trade

By hawguy • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

There is no limit to is escalation tactics.

That’s all the more reason to not try to appease him, because there’s no limit to reasons he’ll think of to retaliate against perceived grievances. He could wake up one morning and fart crosswise and impose sanctions on the EU.

So the EU (and rest of the world) should just go about their lives, do what they need to do, and not worry about trade sanctions, because even trade agreements signed by Trump himself won’t prevent sanctions.

Social Fixer

By EnsilZah • Score: 5, Interesting Thread

I managed to get Facebook to behave almost the way I want it to using the Social Fixer extension.
Chronological order, no ads, only posts from people and pages I’m actually following, no autoplay, no stories. But as a side effect it seems to reload the page multiple times and sometimes stalls for a while, so it ends up too much of a hassle to check it more than a couple times a day anyway.

Re:People are sheep and can’t help themselves

By Powercntrl • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

I think there’s a middle ground between the libertarian view of it’s your own damn fault if you didn’t realize buying Snicker bars in bulk and stuffing your face with them will make you fat!” or “People lack the self control to snack responsibly, so we’re locking the junk food behind the counter and placing purchase limits on it.” IMHO, that middle ground should be educating and informing people of the risks, but ultimately leaving the final decision up to them (assuming they’re an adult, obviously).

Yeah, I know we’re discussing social media and not unhealthy food, but there’s a common thread with lawmakers believing they can make people healthier (mentally/physically) in spite of themselves.

Quite the opposite, I think…

By jenningsthecat • Score: 3, Insightful Thread

On Thursday, the EC said its investigation indicated that “Meta did not adequately assess the risks of its addictive design on the physical and mental wellbeing of users, including minors and vulnerable adults.”

I believe that Meta both assessed those risks and - based on those assessments - altered their design to maximize the risks.

Addicted people whose wills have been compromised by psychological manipulation are better targets for ads, propaganda, etc. Therefore, they’re more profitable; and profit is the god to which virtually all Capitalists kneel, whether or not they admit that fact to themselves or others. Zuck is a high priest in that tawdry religion.

Re:Leave Meta alone or face embargoes on all trade

By allo • Score: 5, Insightful Thread

But are they convenient features?

Autoplay: Is there anyone who wants a random video to start catching their attention while reading their feed? That’s totally an advertiser feature.
Endless scroll: Just consider the alternative. With pagination you can bookmark where you stopped scrolling, so you can continue later.

Endless scroll forces you to read until the gap between the top and where you left off last time is closed, otherwise you never will find the position of where you stopped reading again. Chronological ordering would help a bit, but you still have to jump around between positions you can only find by scrolling and not by page numbers.

They are selling your attention and so they are optimizing how much content gets your attention. They are not optimizing for you to use the app effectively, they optimize for the ads to catch your attention.

Disney+ Explores a Free Tier As YouTube Draws TV Viewers

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Disney is exploring a free tier for Disney+ that would make some content available without a subscription. According to Nielsen data, the three largest free streamers accounted for 18.7% of watch time on U.S. TVs in April, up from 16.8% a year earlier and 12.7% in April 2024. Business Insider reports:
Product and tech chief Adam Smith spoke about enabling free-tier content during a streaming town hall on Thursday afternoon, one staffer said. Smith didn’t share a timeline for this initiative or a sense of the scope, this person added. A person familiar with Disney’s streaming strategy said these talks are part of an ongoing discussion about concepts to better serve fans. Currently, the Disney+ and Hulu bundle costs $12.99 a month with ads or $19.99 without ads at full price.

No thanks, I’m good

By Cpt_Kirks • Score: 3, Informative Thread

I had a free D+ subscription for a while.

Older Disney stuff is good, the new stuff is 100% woke garbage.

Re:No thanks, I’m good

By sabbede • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
Well, since that was a term invented and self-applied by the far left, it’s a hard to define clump of negative feelings that lead to idiotic decisions.

Self-loathing, racism, sexism, and inverted jingoism dressed up as caring about things that can’t be changed because they already happened.
A political movement directed at ending Democracy and establishing a Socialist Dictatorship, but the people responsible don’t let on to that in public very often.
What we used to call White Liberal Guilt - A way for racist white liberals who think minorities are too stupid to make it without the help of a white lady, to assuage their guilt for those racist feelings while still actively promoting them.
Smug superiority based on self-loathing. Perverse, that.

I’m sure someone could provide a kinder definition, which won’t make much sense or hold up under scrutiny, but will be loaded with grandiose verbiage about fixing the past without a time machine.

Free tier?

By RitchCraft • Score: 4, Insightful Thread

Translation: 20-25 minutes of content, 35-40 minutes of ads, per hour. No thanks, I cut the cord 30 years ago because of too many ads. Not going back. Disney thinking about introducing a free tier smacks of desperation. Has the greed finally started to erode things to a distasteful level?

They Can Suck It!

By SlashbotAgent • Score: 3 Thread

I’ve already got ads in my subscriptions. They can take their ad infested “free” tier and jam it up their ass. These streaming services deserve bankruptcy.

There are literally less ads on Xumo. For the moment…

Disney’s biggest problem

By The_Revelation • Score: 4, Interesting Thread
Is a lack of a parental filter. I’m not comfortable with their woke content nor do I feel it necessary for her to watch content with pre-teen homosexuality or transgender characters in much the same way that I, as a parent, wouldn’t want the kids shows to be about r-rated sex scenes or about topics like abortion or birth defects. I’d just like a filter for age appropriate content which effectively requires disney to provide a filter to hide anything they’ve made for the past 15 years.

OpenAI to Retire ChatGPT Atlas Browser Less Than a Year After Launch

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OpenAI is retiring its ChatGPT Atlas browser less than a year after launch. Going forward, its browsing features will be shifted into a redesigned ChatGPT desktop app that also combines Codex, a built-in browser, and "ChatGPT Work" for acting across apps and files. PCMag reports:
OpenAI disclosed Atlas’s retirement in a Thursday post introducing a more powerful ChatGPT desktop app, following reports that the company planned on turning it into a “superapp.” […] In a tweet, OpenAI product staff member James Sun added, “The current targeted date for deprecation is 8/9, and we’ll share more information in the upcoming days both in-app and via email.”

The sunsetting means the Windows version of ChatGPT Atlas has been canceled, though the ChatGPT desktop app is still available on both Mac and Windows. The company is already touting the built-in browser, noting: “You can ask ChatGPT to research a market, compare sources, pull information from websites, or open and refine files from Google Workspace and Microsoft 365 inside the app. It can use the browser to bring in fresh context, take steps across web pages, and keep the work moving while you review and guide the result.”

Add it to the list

By SumDog • Score: 3 Thread
I guess add it to the list?

https://killedbyopenai.org/

Slop adoption is weak?

By paul_engr • Score: 3 Thread
I am SHOCKED!

SAP Makes It Easier For Customers To Shop For Legacy Product Support, Ending EU Antitrust Probe

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Register:
The European Commission has ended an investigation into possible anticompetitive practices after SAP agreed to abolish reinstatement fees and reduce back-maintenance fees. The move could reduce barriers for customers considering third-party support for products nearing the end of their vendor support terms, including thousands of large businesses that rely on SAP ERP Central Component (ECC) to run their business operations. SAP’s mainstream support for ECC ends in December 2027, while customers can opt for extended maintenance until December 2030 by paying an additional two percentage points on their maintenance fees. The most recent figures from Gartner showed that in Q4 2024 only 39 percent of worldwide ECC customers — from a total of 35,000 — had bought or subscribed to licenses to start their transition to SAP S/4HANA, the replacement ERP product.

In September last year, the European Commission launched a formal investigation into SAP’s behavior in the aftermarket for maintenance and support services in Europe. It said it was responding to concerns that SAP restricted competition in this crucial aftermarket by making it harder for rivals to compete, leaving European customers with fewer choices and higher costs. In October, SAP published its response. “SAP’s commitments aim at improving the financial attractiveness for customers who wish to reinstate SAP maintenance and support services. Thus, future costs associated with reinstatement will not financially prevent customers from choosing to terminate SAP maintenance and support for a given period of time,” the document said (PDF).

SAP has now agreed to abolish reinstatement fees and reduce back maintenance fees charged to customers who return to SAP’s support after a period of absence, the Commission confirmed. It also agreed to clarify conditions that allow customers to choose different maintenance and support service providers and different levels of support from SAP. The agreement is relevant to customers considering third-party support to extend their use of ECC beyond vendor maintenance. For example, last year, European retailer Kingfisher — owner of well-known UK brands B&Q and Screwfix — told a Gartner conference it had chosen Rimini Street to support ECC 6.0 because it saw insufficient value in migrating to SAP S/4HANA. […] The commitments offered by SAP will remain in force globally for ten years.

OpenAI’s CEO of AGI Deployment, Fidji Simo, Is Stepping Down

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OpenAI’s CEO of AGI deployment, Fidji Simo, is stepping down from her full-time role and becoming a part-time adviser after taking extended medical leave for a chronic neuroimmune condition. “Three months ago, I had to go on medical leave after a severe exacerbation of a chronic illness I’ve lived with for seven years,” Simo wrote in a post Thursday on X. “During that time, it became clear that the road to recovery would be much longer and more complex than I had anticipated — and that I needed to focus on it fully.” Wired reports:
Simo joined OpenAI’s board of directors in March 2024. The following year, CEO Sam Altman hired her to take on the product and business organizations so he could focus on research and the company’s data center buildout. Previously, Simo was the CEO of Instacart and head of the Facebook app at Meta.

Shortly before starting at OpenAI, Simo experienced a significant health relapse. She was diagnosed with postural tachycardia syndrome, or POTS, in 2019. “For my entire time here, I’ve postponed medical tests and new therapies to stay completely focused on the job and not miss a single day of work,” she told OpenAI staff in a memo back in April, announcing her temporary departure. “It’s now clear that I’ve pushed a little too far and I really need to try new interventions to stabilize my health.”

News of Simo’s medical leave came amid a larger executive shakeup that saw Brad Lightcap, OpenAI’s former COO, transition to a role overseeing special projects. OpenAI president and cofounder Greg Brockman took over OpenAI’s product strategy. In the months since Simo stepped back from OpenAI, the company further reorganized its product teams, positioning Thibault Sottiaux as head of the company’s core products, including ChatGPT.

Here’s a different take

By smooth wombat • Score: 4, Interesting Thread
This story has the wonderful title, Fidji Simo says Mark Zuckerberg gave her one piece of health advice years ago, and she wishes she had listened.

In short, she was so excited to have hit her dream job at the age of 40, that work-life balance never entered the picture. Now she’s a multi-milionaire who will, probably, spend the rest of her life struggling to have something approaching a normal life.

Microsoft to Retire OWA Light Client In Exchange Server

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Microsoft plans to disable and remove OWA Light, the lightweight Outlook Web Access client for Exchange Server, in an upcoming update expected in August 2026. The company says retiring the two-decade-old legacy interface will reduce attack surface and engineering complexity, pushing users to the modern Outlook on the web experience instead. BleepingComputer reports:
“OWA Light was an important compatibility experience when the web needed it. Today, the full Outlook on the web experience is the right place for us to focus,” the Exchange Team said on Wednesday. “Retiring OWA Light will help reduce legacy surface area, simplify ongoing engineering work, and allow us to continue improving the experience customers use every day.”

Microsoft introduced OWA Light roughly two decades ago as an alternative to OWA Premium, offering a simplified web interface for systems that didn’t have Internet Explorer 6 or later installed or ran older web browsers. At the time, the company said that OWA Light offered a cleaner look, faster logon times on low-bandwidth Internet connections, and worked in locked-down browser modes (such as kiosks).

Microsoft deprecated OWA Light as of August 19, 2024, and announced this week that the OWA Light experience will likely be removed from Exchange Server (on-premises) next month. “In an upcoming Exchange Server update (estimated in August 2026), we plan to disable and remove the OWA Light experience. After that change is introduced, users will no longer be able to choose or be redirected to OWA Light and should use the modern Outlook on the web experience instead.”

Re:Experience

By sabbede • Score: 5, Interesting Thread
I think what happened is that over a decade ago, some market researchers found that millenials preferred “experiences” over physical items (probably because they make for better selfies). Marketing departments, being staffed with geniuses and definitely not people who are “like sheep, but drunk”, ran with it and haven’t let go.

Re:Experience

By sabbede • Score: 5, Insightful Thread
They’re called “the marketing department”.

I suspect a great many things could be improved by their absence.

I forgot it existed

By jfdavis668 • Score: 3 Thread
Guess that would make it a good thing to retire.

Microsoft might be right about this one

By DarkOx • Score: 3 Thread

As much as I want to say, it might be useful to have Web Based E-mail interface that will work in a basic / legacy browser, I don’t know this is really true.

Not much of the web works at all if you try to use it with anything not Chromium or Apple-Webkit from less than five years ago. YMMV with recent Mozilla engines.

The few places where I can see someone maybe wanting to use this are the very places that people definitely should be isolating from all things Internet, especially not exposing it to e-mail content, which even if restricted to being from the local domain could still contain something malicious accidentally forwarded.

I can certainly understand why people would want / maybe just like or prefer a range of other legacy mail client. I mean if you handle a lot of mail and have been using Pegasus or something for the last 30 years and its all muscle memory, sure I get it. Moving from OWA-lite to OWA though probably isnt much bother for most people. At some point it makes sense to drop software likely very few folks are using.

Re:Anyone Here?

By Hadlock • Score: 4, Informative Thread

Basically everyone who works in a regulated industry, or industry that should be does, yes.