the unofficial Slashdot digest for 2018-Aug-10 today archive


  1. Monsanto Ordered To Pay $289 Million In Roundup Cancer Trial
  2. FCC Proposes To Maintain US Broadband Standard of 25Mbps Down, 3Mbps Up
  3. Facebook Bans Sites That Host Blueprints of 3D-Printed Guns
  4. Tesla's Chief Vehicle Engineer Returns To Apple
  5. Crestron Touchscreens Could Spy On Hotel Rooms, Meetings
  6. Google Boots Open Source Anti-Censorship Tool From Chrome Store
  7. Qualcomm Settles $773 Million Antitrust Case In Taiwan
  8. Dropbox Is Dropping Support For All Linux File Systems Except Unencrypted Ext4
  9. A Small Team of Student AI Coders Beats Google's Machine-Learning Code
  10. Millions of Android Devices Are Vulnerable Right Out of the Box
  11. The Pirate Bay Turns 15
  12. Nintendo's Offensive, Tragic, and Totally Legal Erasure of ROM Sites
  13. Some Engineers Are Turning Down Tech Recruiters in Silicon Valley Over Concerns About Corporate Value
  14. Facebook, Still on a Mission To Bring People Online, Announces Connectivity
  15. Ethiopia is Blocking the Internet Again To Stifle Unrest in Its Troubled Eastern Region
  16. The World Bank is Preparing For the World's First Blockchain Bond
  17. 'It's Time to End the Yearly Smartphone Launch Event'
  18. Hollywood Goes Open Source: Academy Teams Up With Linux Foundation To Launch Academy Software Foundation
  19. EPA Staff Objected To Agency's New Rules on Asbestos Use, Internal Emails Show
  20. Facebook Now Deletes Posts That Financially Endanger, Trick People
  21. Samsung Unveils Tizen-Powered Galaxy Watch That Lasts 'Several Days' On Single Charge
  22. Scientists Claim To Have Solved the Mystery of the Bermuda Triangle

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Monsanto Ordered To Pay $289 Million In Roundup Cancer Trial

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An anonymous reader shares a report from the BBC involving glyphosate, the world's most common weedkiller: Chemical giant Monsanto has been ordered to pay $289 million in damages to a man who claimed herbicides containing glyphosate had caused his cancer. In a landmark case, a Californian jury found that Monsanto knew its Roundup and RangerPro weedkillers were dangerous and failed to warn consumers. It's the first lawsuit to go to trial alleging a glyphosate link to cancer. Monsanto denies that glyphosate causes cancer and says it intends to appeal against the ruling.

The claimant in the case, groundskeeper Dewayne Johnson, is among more than 5,000 similar plaintiffs across the US. Mr Johnson was diagnosed with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma in 2014. His lawyers said he regularly used a form of RangerPro while working at a school in Benicia, California. Jurors found on Friday that the company had acted with "malice" and that its weedkillers contributed "substantially" to Mr Johnson's terminal illness.

neonicotinoid = round up

By Archfeld • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

Did not Bayer just acquire Monsanto for 66 Billion ? That amount should just about cover the damages that are going to be discovered. This cover up is going to make Mesothelioma look like a common cold. Bayer knew long ago that Round-Up was malignant and caused a wide variety of issues, up to and including Colony Collapse Disorder, or the disappearing Bee issue felt around the world.


By angel'o'sphere • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

Since the midâ'1990s, Monsanto indicates that it has filed suit against 145 individual U.S. farmers for patent infringement and/or breach of contract in connection with its genetically engineered seed but has proceeded through trial against only eleven farmers, all of which it won

145 is not a small number, and considering that none of them actually did anything wrong it was only a killing spray of Monstanto.

Re:The only problem

By F.Ultra • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

Nothing on your list is true in the sense that you are trying to make.

*Eggs are bad for you came from a time before the whole picture was known and scientists knew that high cholesterol was bad for you and that eggs in particular contained high amounts of cholesterol. So not warning about egg consumption then would have been negligent. Later research showed that there is no link between digested cholesterol and blood level cholesterol and thus it turned out that eggs was fine. So no this have not been switching between yes and no every other week (it happened only once) and it was not due to partisan sponsoring but the very fact that the more we know, the more we actually know.

*Vaccines have never been labelled as 100% safe. That there are side effects for every working medical substance have been know for hundreds of years and there is no scientist or doctor that even once would believe that something is 100% safe.

*Fluoridation of drinking water in the therapeutic levels that is done to increase dental health have never been proven to be harmful. The case where it was proven to be harmful was from a place in China where the water had been contaminated with high levels of fluoride. As always the dose makes the poison and there is a big whooping difference between contamination and a therapeutic dose.

Re: The only problem

By c6gunner • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

I'm sure Monsanto has lots of money to fund a study aiming to prove that glyphosate doesn't cause cancer.

You can never prove that something doesn't cause cancer. That's not how science works. All you can do is try to prove that it DOES cause cancer, and repeatedly fail. Which is what has happened every time anyone has tested it.

Re: The only problem

By c6gunner • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

Scientists claimed DDT is safe to spray on kids

It is. DDT was banned because it was linked to a decline in bird populations, not because of harm to humans.

Ditto agent orange

Why would you spray agent orange on children? It's an herbicide. Unless your kids name is Herb, you're just wasting money.

Anyway, agent orange on it's own isn't harmful to humans. The issue with the batches used was that they were contaminated with TCDD. And it was those eeeeevil scientists who discovered and pointed out the contamination issue.

Ditto morning sickness pills

Again, not sure why you're giving these to kids. Additionally, I'm not sure what you think the problem here is.

Ditto burning people at stake since they knew the Earth is flat

If you think that scientists were burning people at the stake, or claiming that the world is flat, you are one seriously deluded individual.

Scientists are good/useful but they operate best at theoretical level and need to be super super super careful before proceeding to anything beyond that, and that is not happening all the time

Whereas you operate at the "I'm just gonna make shit up" level, and think that this somehow makes you better than scientists.

FCC Proposes To Maintain US Broadband Standard of 25Mbps Down, 3Mbps Up

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The FCC is proposing to maintain the U.S. broadband standard at the current level of 25Mbps downstream and 3Mbps upstream. FCC Chairman Ajit Pai has kept the standard at these speeds since 2017, despite calls to raise it from Democratic Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel. This week, Pai proposed keeping the standard the same for another year. Ars Technica reports: The FCC raised the standard from 4Mbps/1Mbps to 25Mbps/3Mbps in January 2015 under then-Chairman Tom Wheeler. Ajit Pai, who was then a commissioner in the FCC's Republican minority, voted against raising the speed standard. As FCC chairman since 2017, Pai has kept the standard at 25Mbps/3Mbps despite calls to raise it from Democratic Commissioner Jessica Rosenworcel. This week, he proposed keeping the standard the same for another year. "This inquiry fundamentally errs by proposing to keep our national broadband standard at 25Mbps," Rosenworcel said yesterday. "It is time to be bold and move the national broadband standard from 25 Megabits to 100 Megabits per second. When you factor in price, at this speed the United States is not even close to leading the world. That is not where we should be and if in the future we want to change this we need both a more powerful goal and a plan to reach it. Our failure to commit to that course here is disappointing. I regretfully dissent." While Pai's proposal isn't yet finalized, keeping the current speed standard would likely mean that Pai's FCC will conclude that broadband deployment is already happening fast enough throughout the US. Pai could use that conclusion in attempts to justify further deregulation of the broadband industry.

Data Caps & Rural

By bill_mcgonigle • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

I'd rather have slow DSL than fast mobile, personally, because my household uses about 300GB/mo.

But the FCC thinks they're interchangable, which is a big problem.

Also 39% of rural Americans don't even have access to the current standard. As a government entity they ought to be focused on that, from a 14th Amendment perspective. If their rules are slowing new deployments, that's an equal protection issue, and the data shows that the Title II rules did just that.

25/3 is fine

By irving47 • Score: 3, Insightful • Thread

Just to avoid getting kicked in the face for agreeing with anything he says, at all...: I hate Pai.
I'd stand in a line just to WATCH him get punched in the face, but 25/3 to meet the requirements of the term 'broadband' for these rural areas with shitty wiring and terrible population density is plenty. 25Mbps downstream is *multiple* 720p or better video streams down and at least 1-2 up. Considering the percentage of Internet traffic that is youtube and facebook and netflix, that's fair math.
Yeah, of course I want my price to go down, but that's NEVER going to happen with any provider, regardless what the FCC declares "broadband" to be. The last thing I want is to subsidize rural areas getting 1Gbps for 1 house per square mile across the whole country. Let the WISPS do it.

Why bother?

By bistromath007 • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread
There's no reason to raise the standard if it's already not being met.

Rural broadband problems

By mveloso • Score: 3 • Thread

Most slashdot readers don't get it, but rural broadband is hard. Remember rural areas? You know, the places outside of cities?

America is big, and the rural America are really big. Stringing wire and fiber is expensive, and will never be cost-effective.

Let's take They have a service area of 710 square miles. That's about the size of Singapore, with a population density of about 0. There are probably 30,000 potential customers in their service area.

They offer 20Mbps, tops. Are they going to string fiber to everyone? No. Can they do bonded DSL? No. They could run two independent DSL lines and bond at the router? Maybe.

VDSL2 can get 50Mbps at 1,000 meters from the CO. That doesn't get you much when you're out in the boonies. $13k/mile is suburban fiber-per-mile cost, so maybe it's $7k per mile in rural areas. So you can string fiber 20 miles to that guy's house for $140k. How do you make that back?

Multiple channels (not baseband or passband)

By raymorris • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

> Oh please define broadband for us, tell us precisely what it means

In telecommunications, there are three major types of transmission:

Baseband: The signal is in a channel. A baseband signal on channel 3 doesn't significantly interfere with one on channel 4. 100 Mbps is a baseband signal.

Passband: The signal is centered on a channel, but spills over. You may know in wifi channel 1 will interfere with channels 2 and 3. You can, however, use channel 1 and channel 3 for separate signals. You just have some interference if the two stations are close together.

Broadband: The signal is distributed across several channels. Cable TV and internet is a good example. A cable TV channel is 8Mhz wide (if there is a channel at 54Mhz, the next channel is at 62Mhz). That means it can carry up to 8Mhz gross bandwidth without special tricks like quadrature encoding. In order to get more bandwidth, providers send your internet signal over several TV channels simultaneously. (And use other tricks). Of your signal is on channels 100, 101, and 102 there can NOT be another person using channel 102 at exactly the same time. That's difference between passband and broadband.

In the 1990s, ISDN providers started offering service over three or four channels (broadband) rather than the aingle-channel (baseband) transmission than was available before. Using four channels, broadband ISDN could provide four times the bandwidth - 256Kbs.

DSL was similar - around the same time it became possible to bond multiple voice channels into a broadband configuration for DSL. The public noticed that the new services were faster, and they were "broadband", whatever the heck that means. Typical consumers started associating the word "broadband" with "fast".

As I mentioned, 100 Mbps Ethernet is baseband (single-channel), not broadband (multi-channel). Fiber optic is typically baseband, not broadband (remember we're talking per-signal). USB3 is baseband, at 640 Mbps. SATA is baseband, at 6Gbs. Broadband does NOT mean "fast". In fact most of the fastest connections you use are baseband, not broadband. It's just that for a few years in the 1990s the fast connections readily available to consumers happened to be broadband at the time. Not knowing what ISDN even stands for, and not knowing what broadband, passband, and baseband are, many consumers associated the term broadband with fast.

It would actually be just as accurate to call any high speed internet "DSL". In the same time period in the 1990s, the fastest connections for checking consumers were DSL, and broadband, and 4 Mbps, and copper. Neither "DSL", nor "4 Mbps", nor "copper", nor "broadband" mean "fast". They all have specific meanings. If you want a term that means "high speed", rhe correct term is "high speed". :)

Facebook Bans Sites That Host Blueprints of 3D-Printed Guns

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Yesterday, Facebook said it's banning websites that host and share blueprints of 3D-printed guns. "Sharing instructions on how to print firearms using 3D printers is not allowed under our Community Standards," said a spokesperson in an email statement. "In line with our policies, we are removing this content from Facebook." BuzzFeed was first to report the news: The move comes amid a rush by states to block these instructions from being posted. A July settlement between the State Department and Defense Distributed, an open-source organization that created the first completely 3D-printed gun, cleared the way for the group to publish the gun code. However, that was stalled when a federal judge on July 31 granted a temporary nationwide injunction that prevented Defense Distributed from uploading the plans. The injunction prevents Defense Distributed from publishing the plans. But the instructions are widely available online, on sites such as -- which hosts plans for parts of an AR-15, a Beretta, and Defense Distributed's Liberator. Attempts to post the site on a user's News Feed, through Facebook's Messenger app, or on Instagram (which Facebook owns) produce a variety of error messages. Other sites that host the files can still be posted through Facebook. Specifically, Facebook says that 3D-printed guns violate the regulated goods section of the social giant's community standards, which limits gun sales and exchanges to licensed dealers.


By BlueStrat • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

it's a METAL BLANK that is where the serial number would go on the "legal" firearm you described. It omits that serial #.

It's perfectly legal to make yourself a firearm and there is no legal requirement for a serial number to be applied nor registered. As long as the firearm you manufacture would be legal for you to posses otherwise (not a restricted type like fully-automatic/select-fire, sawed-off shotgun under 18 inches in barrel length,, etc) you are free to make one for personal use without serial numbers or registration of any kind, only rules about who may legally possess apply as long as you don't sell/trade it to another party.

TPTB over the decades have worked to chip away at our educational systems, our mental health systems, our criminal justice system, and our common shared beliefs using propaganda involving the pushing of identity politics and intersectionality that has it's roots in Post-Modernism. This has naturally eventually resulted in a dumbed-down, fractured/divided., frustrated, and angry population. Then TPTB step in to "solve" the problem *they created* by removing liberty and personal freedom.

Don't be their willing tool of your own enslavement.


Re: Yawn.

By blindseer • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

The USA is the only developed nation that has a firearm crime rate equivalent to third world nations or war zones.

But what are the TOTAL crime rates? I keep hearing about "gun crime" but I don't care if people are getting shot, clubbed, stabbed, or throttled to death.

Here's another problem with comparing murder rates in the USA with other nations, the USA is a federation. Like the European Union the USA is a collection of independent states. Each state has their own rules on guns. The USA does have some terrible murder rates, but you can't blame the laws in Utah for crimes in New York. Putting all the states in the same umbrella as an example of "gun crime" is about as sensible as blaming Spain for crime in Germany. Also remember the scale of this, there are more people in US states that a lot of people around the world don't even think about, like North Carolina, than in some European nations, like Sweden. If you want to compare apples to apples then you need to compare individual states within the US to other nations.

The murder rate in New Hampshire is 1/10th that of Louisiana. Go compare the gun laws in both those states. Here's a hint, one state requires a permit to carry a concealed handgun, and the other does not.

Gun laws have very little to do with crime rates. Look at Missouri, very lax in gun laws and lots of crime. Vermont also has very lax gun laws, but yet 1/4 the murder rate of Missouri. It's almost as if there is no correlation between gun laws and crime rates.

Here's an idea, if you want to stop crime then put criminals in prison. That seems to be working for a lot of places. If gun restrictions stopped murders then Venezuela would be the safest place on Earth.


By ShanghaiBill • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

Dude, if your "culture" is dependent on schoolchildren being massacred and gang-bangers spraying bullets, you've got a fucked-up culture.

You are missing the point. The culture of urban gang-bangers and rural gun owners couldn't be more different. Gun control advocates are mostly opposed to the latter culture, not the first. Rural whites join the NRA, and are politically active on gun rights. Urban gang-bangers are not.

Do you seriously believe that closing the "gun show loophole" will make a non-negligible difference? Yet it gets way more attention than urban handgun shootings.

It wasn't always thus. You might want to read up on the history on the gun control movement in America. In the 1980s, there was a strong advocacy movement for restrictions on handguns (responsible for 75% of gun homicides and even more gun suicides), and HCI and the Brady Campaign made it clear that they were not after "long guns" used for hunting. Their proposals were sensible. Their influence was growing.

That came to an abrupt end on the morning of January 17th, 1989, when Patrick Purdy walked onto a school playground in Stockton, California, opened fire with an SKS semi-automatic rifle, killing five children and wounding 32 more. The advocates took advantage of the publicity and outrage to completely abandon their assurances of focusing on handguns, and called for bans on "automatic rifles" (already illegal), and "AK-47s" (also already illegal). They got their "assault weapons" ban, but alienated millions of hunters and others that had supported them. The backlash swept dozens of gun control advocates from public office in the 1994 Republican mid-term landslide. The ban expired. NRA membership ballooned. Trust was gone. Willingness to compromise was gone. Any sort of new restriction on gun ownership is unthinkable in today's political climate.

Stop the Moral Panic

By toupsie • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread
Please folks, let's get back to reality. First, it is completely legal in the United States to build your own firearms ( )-- anyone with access to basic machinery tools can do it -- think Zip Guns created by prisoners for the ease of creation. Second, plastic 3D gun are terrible.I would rather have a 1700s musket instead. The 3D printed guns have more in common with ancient firearms than modern firearms. It is cheaper and simpler to buy a fully built AR-15 than it is to "print" your own firearm from files downloaded off the internet. And if you really want to make your own M16 based pistol, Google will provide you detailed plans from their own servers: You provide the tools and skill, Google will provide the detailed schematics. Will Facebook now block Google?


By blindseer • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

I'm now convinced that you are not arguing with me, you are arguing with some construct of your imagination. I already agreed with you that the right of self defense does not mean people can murder without punishment. I'm trying to make it clear to you that gun control in the USA has gone one step too far with these recent blocking of sharing 3D printer files. That's not 2nd Amendment territory any more, this is infringement on the 1st Amendment.

Here's another thing, I'd like to see where you get this idea of an overwhelming dislike of the NRA. I saw a recent fundraiser for a march against the NRA. Go have a look on how much money they raised for the protest.

A whole $70 on a national fundraiser. The NRA likely makes more money on a single order of overpriced t-shirts and "tactical" pants on their website.

I don't care what you say, the National Rifle Association is not the bad guy here. Perhaps you could start understanding this by reading some of the things that the NRA has written. This might be a good place to start:

Many anti-gun politicians and members of the media have wrongly claimed that 3-D printing technology will allow for the production and widespread proliferation of undetectable plastic firearms. Regardless of what a person may be able to publish on the Internet, undetectable plastic guns have been illegal for 30 years. Federal law passed in 1988, crafted with the NRAâ(TM)s support, makes it unlawful to manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive an undetectable firearm.

The NRA supports laws barring people from producing undetectable firearms. It's already illegal to make an undetectable firearm. It's illegal for felons, drug dealers, illegal aliens, and others law breakers like them, to possess any firearm. It's illegal to murder people. It's illegal to threaten people with a firearm. It's illegal to carry a firearm into a school. I don't know what you want because it seems that what so many claim we need in laws restricting gun ownership and use already exists. What I don't want to see is a law barring the posting of drawings on the internet, that's simply a step too far.

Tesla's Chief Vehicle Engineer Returns To Apple

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Doug Field, the former VP of Mac hardware who left Apple to become Tesla's chief vehicle engineer, has returned to Cupertino. Field is reportedly working on the company's secretive "Project Titan" self-driving car program. The Verge reports: Field ran Tesla's vehicle production and engineering, but CEO Elon Musk took over responsibility for production this year after the company failed to meet its initial first-quarter goal for the Model 3. Field then took a leave of absence in May, and subsequently left the company altogether in June. Project Titan has reportedly been scaled back considerably from its initial scope, with hundreds of people leaving the division as Apple is said to focus on seeking carmaker partners for its self-driving software. [Daring Fireball's John Gruber] speculates that Field's return to Titan suggests Apple could still have an interest in producing vehicles itself, while cautioning that employees do move between the two companies regularly.

Re:Use Crisco in Sodomy.

By haruchai • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

"How does someone who was "VP of Mac hardware" at Apple, become the head of "vehicle production and engineering" at Tesla? How in the fucking fuck is that even possible? Maybe I am extremely naive, but I would expect Tesla to hire someone with, you know, extensive automotive experience"

He worked for 6 yrs at Ford as a Dev Eng right after after getting his Mech Eng degree from Purdue

Apple cars, really?

By berchca • Score: 5, Funny • Thread

Maybe now that Doug is back at Apple, he should work on "Secret Project Working Keyboard".

Re:Could Apple fund Tesla going private?

By Gavagai80 • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

Musk has paid his bills, hasn't been accused of screwing over contractors, and hasn't bankrupted even one company yet. Hardly comparable.

Predictable Reaction to News

By Bruce Perens • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

So, the big news today is that Tesla lost one employee! One who worked as an executive for four years, and managed the people who really designed the car. For someone like that to hold a job for only four years isn't unusual.

This is met with a lot of totally unsubstantiated "Tesla will crash", "It's a really bad car", "Musk is going to jail". The shorts are still out there, or just trolls.

As far as I can tell, lots of people want their cars, their home solar products, their industrial battery products, etc.

I agree that Musk was probably just teasing the shorts. But Musk can say he's considering any thing he wants. And although it would be the largest stock buy-out ever, on paper, consider that the actual buying out is only for the people who decide to sell - while many would hang on - and he probably is able to line up the financing to handle a reasonable estimate of how many investors would sell out.

Lots of companies go private, public again, and private again. It's more common these days, with more private money in the market. And right now, being public is a distraction for Tesla. Too much energy spent fighting FUD.

Re:Apple cars, really?

By AmiMoJo • Score: 4, Funny • Thread

He is too busy working on replacing the steering wheel with a touch bar.

Crestron Touchscreens Could Spy On Hotel Rooms, Meetings

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from Wired: The connected devices you think about the least are sometimes the most insecure. That's the takeaway from new research to be presented at the DefCon hacking conference Friday by Ricky Lawshae, an offensive security researcher at Trend Micro. Lawshae discovered over two dozen vulnerabilities in Crestron devices used by corporations, airports, sports stadiums, and local governments across the country. While Crestron has released a patch to fix the issues, some of the weaknesses allowed for hackers to theoretically turn the Crestron Android touch panels used in offices and hotel rooms into spy devices.

Lawshae quickly noticed that these devices have security authentication protections disabled by default. For the most part, the Crestron devices Lawshae analyzed are designed to be installed and configured by third-party technicians, meaning an IT engineer needs to voluntarily turn on security protections. The people who actually use Crestron's devices after they're installed might not even know such protections exist, let alone how crucial they are. Crestron devices do have special engineering backdoor accounts which are password-protected. But the company ships its devices with the algorithm that is used to generate the passwords in the first place. That information can be used by non-privileged users to reverse engineer the password itself, a vulnerability simultaneously identified by both Lawshae and Jackson Thuraisamy, a vulnerability researcher at Security Compass.
There were also over two dozen other vulnerabilities that could be exploited to do things like transform them into listening devices. In addition to being able to remotely record audio via the microphones to a downloadable file, Lawshae was also able to remotely stream video from the webcam and open a browser and display a webpage to an unsuspecting room full of meeting attendees. "Crestron has issued a fix for the vulnerabilities, and firmware updates are now available," reports Wired.

All hype

By mtmra70 • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

I have programmed and support Crestron devices (among many other AV solutions) over the years (coming close to 20 years). This is all hype.

Yes, you can open a web page on an embeded browser, you can send/view video streams, etc. But it is all very complex since their systems run proprietary code which has to be written then compiled in their editor. Then you have to load the code on the system, which mind you if you don't have the original source code you immediately break the room/system. And all of this assumes the Crestron(AV) system is not on its own vlan/control subnet. It's like saying a Linux box with a web cam sitting in a conference room can be used to spy on soon as you write, compile and wipe the existing kernel/OS.

Where is the Cisco article discussing how a "hacker" can open the web interface of a Cisco telepresence system and spy on conference rooms!?!?! Or make it answer an incoming call while overriding what the user in the room might otherwise deny?!?!? Oh wait, thats working as designed....

This feels more like déjà vu than news..

By Mnemennth • Score: 3, Informative • Thread

...8 years ago they were still selling units running XP embedded ( I installed and serviced them). I saw at least a dozen easily exploited holes in their management procedures back then, and I'm not talking about outre' software & firmware hacks like we're seeing with all these IoT devices that everybody's all up in arms over... but just plain poor security implementation on a procedural and management level.

That said, I've been out of the trade for several years now... while it's possible they've tightened up their ship, as sloppy as things were back then I find it hard to believe their gear is now inherently any more secure than a Chinese smartphone.


Security of any sort in any large organization is more a matter of running around putting out brushfires than anything like actually sealing up a leak.

Google Boots Open Source Anti-Censorship Tool From Chrome Store

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Google has removed the open-source Ahoy! extension from the Chrome store with little explanation. The tool facilitated access to more than 1,700 blocked sites in Portugal by routing traffic through its own proxies. TorrentFreak reports: After servicing 100,000 users last December, Ahoy! grew to almost 185,000 users this year. However, progress and indeed the project itself is now under threat after arbitrary action by Google. "Google decided to remove us from Chrome's Web Store without any justification," team member Henrique Mouta informs TF. "We always make sure our code is high quality, secure and 100% free (as in beer and as in freedom). All the source code is open source. And we're pretty sure we never broke any of the Google's marketplace rules."

Henrique says he's tried to reach out to Google but finding someone to help has proven impossible. Even re-submitting Ahoy! to Google from scratch hasn't helped the situation. "I tried and resubmitted the plugin but it was refused after a few hours and without any justification," Henrique says. "Google never reached us or notified us about the removal from Chrome Web Store. We never got a single email justifying what happened, why have we been removed from the store, or/and what are we breaching and how can we fix it." TorrentFreak reached out to Google asking why this anti-censorship tool has been removed from its Chrome store. Despite multiple requests, the search giant failed to respond to us or the Ahoy! team.
Thankfully, the Ahoy! extension is still available on Firefox.

Altername search engine?

By Jerry • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

Run by Microsoft, which is just as evil and anti-free speech as Google

The definition of censorship -- might as well use Google.

If you like your search results slanted to Russia's ideology. Like Baidu, it is alright for the comrades but not for lovers of freedom.

Powered by Bing, claims to be CO2 neutral, but Bing is powered by oil so not really CO2 neutral.

DuckDuckGo or StartPage?
For those not wanting to run Bing or Google these two are everyone's favorite. However, they are merely front ends for Google, but they do not let your queries become linked to your IP address or personal info.

Surely you jest. The master of double standards and censorship. Besides, like FB, they are dying because people are getting tired of their heavy handed and biased ways.

Just another layer of snooping and 3rd party sales of your info. Logs on your searches kept for a period of time. Just use Google if you don't mind being spied upon.
A search engine which searches only Wiki's. Wikis themselves are heavily slanted and filtered to fit a certain political slant. Again, comrades should have no problem using them.

If you’re searching for content written by everyday users about a topic this is your tool. Will the "everyday user" know what they are talking about? Too many seem to think that perpetual energy devices are real, and that Planet Nibiru is about to strike. :(

Sponsored by LinkedIn, a comrade to Google, Twitter, Facebook and Microsoft, it links to videos, slides, pdf's and other educational material. Many are dated. Not the site to use if you want up to date information without a slant.

So, what to use?
What ever you want. Just know what using your choice can cost you more than you may realize.

Why chrome?

By barbariccow • Score: 3 • Thread
Why does anyone use chrome and voluntarily give their shit to google anyway? Just build a PGO version of firefox. It's fast as shit, and not stupid.

Re:Altername search engine?

By barbariccow • Score: 5, Informative • Thread
duckduckgo is not a front-end for google... the search results are completely different. I mean for fucks sake their page lists the ips and user agent that their web crawler uses here:

Re:Altername search engine?

By jimbo • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

Indeed, for traditional search results they source from Bing;

Another justification for the EU fine

By Bruce66423 • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

Let's hope the EU keeps extracting money from Google till they get the message.

Qualcomm Settles $773 Million Antitrust Case In Taiwan

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Qualcomm, the smartphone chipmaker fighting regulatory actions and lawsuits threatening its most profitable business, has reached a settlement with Taiwan's antitrust regulators that reverses most of a $773 million fine. As part of an agreement announced Friday by the Fair Trade Commission, the company will invest $700 million over the next five years and boost research activities in Taiwan, home to a clutch of important suppliers to global names such as Apple. In return, Qualcomm can stop paying fines and retains the right to charge manufacturers royalties on its technology. The commission said Friday it will keep NT$2.73 billion ($89 million) in fines that Qualcomm's already paid but waive the rest.

In an October decision, Taiwan's antitrust agency said Qualcomm had monopoly market status over key mobile phone standards and was violating local laws by not providing products to clients who didn't agree with its conditions. Besides the fine, the Fair Trade Commission told Qualcomm at the time to remove previously signed deals that forced competitors to provide price, customer names, shipment, model name and other sensitive information. Qualcomm appealed the decision. The company agreed to ensure fair negotiations with local licensees, and will support research and commercial projects in Taiwan, including collaborating on the development of fifth-generation wireless, Qualcomm said in a separate statement Friday.

Dropbox Is Dropping Support For All Linux File Systems Except Unencrypted Ext4

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New submitter rokahasch writes: Starting today, August 10th, most users of the Dropbox desktop app on Linux have been receiving notifications that their Dropbox will stop syncing starting November. Over at the Dropbox forums, Dropbox have declared that the only Linux filesystem supported for storage of the Dropbox sync folder starting the 7th of November will be on a clean ext4 file system. This basically means Dropbox drops Linux support completely, as almost all Linux distributions have other file systems as their standard installation defaults nowadays -- not to mention encryption running on top of even an ext4 file system, which won't qualify as a clean ext4 file system for Dropbox (such as eCryptfs which is the default in, for example, Ubuntu for encrypted home folders).

The thread is trending heavily on Dropbox' forums with the forum's most views since the thread started earlier today. The cries from a large amount of Linux users have so far remained unanswered from Dropbox, with most users finding the explanation given for this change unconvincing. The explanation given so far is that Dropbox requires a file system with support for Extended attributes/Xattrs. Extended attributes however are supported by all major Linux/Posix complaint file systems. Dropbox has, up until today, supported Linux platforms since their services began back in 2007.
A number of users have taken to Twitter to protest the move. Twitter user troyvoy88 tweets: "Well, you just let the shitstorm loose @Dropbox dropping support for some linux FS like XFS and BTRFS. No way in hell im going to reformat my @fedora #development station and removing encryption no way!"

Another user by the name of daltux wrote: "It will be time to say goodbye then, @Dropbox. I won't store any personal files on an unencrypted partition."

Re:One word....

By BronsCon • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread
My text editor doesn't give a shit what filesystem I'm using. There's no real reason Dropbox should, either; they're doing file-level transactions, not block-level.

Re:I don't get it.

By 93 Escort Wagon • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

Isn't dropbox sync a userland application? Why does it care about the underlying FS?

Dropbox likes to worm its way into the operating system and get access it doesn’t need - I can only speculate that the sleazeballs are doing something behind the scenes with that access in an attempt to furtively monetize their users’ data.

I stopped using Dropbox on OS X when they got caught adding themselves into the system-wide accessibility permissions table without asking. Thing is, the service works just fine without that (I did it for a couple weeks, until I got tired of denying Dropbox’s repeated requests to “fix” my system). So why are they asking for it - can’t be for any reason the end user would want.

Filesystem within a filesystem...

By glenebob • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

dd if=/dev/zero of=StupidDropbox.fs bs=4096 count=
mke2fs -t ext4 StupidDropbox.fs
mkdir StupidDropbox
mount StupidDropbox.fs StupidDropbox

Re:Who uses Linux anyway?

By Anonymous Coward • Score: 5, Funny • Thread

On windows it' s so much easier. You have to:

1. Turn on computer.
2. Enter password at login prompt.
3. Open mail client.
4. Wait for unscheduled system update.
5. Wait for system reboot.
6. Enter password at login prompt.
7. Open mail client.
8. Click refuse opt-in to store mail in the cloud.
9. Open new email compose window.
10. Add attachment.
11. Click refuse ad to install mail checker app.
12. Address email.
13. Wait for unscheduled system update.
14. Wait for system reboot.
16. Enter password at login prompt.
17. Open mail client.
18. Open saved draft.
19. Click Send

Re:One word, fellas

By trawg • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

SpiderOak are discontinuing their warrant canary, which some are speculating that it means their canary is dead & they have been compromised.

They are also offering a short-term unlimited backup plan (which expires today). The close timing of that & the canary announcement is a little interesting. I was literally about to sign up to move away from Dropbox when I heard the warrant canary thing and it was confusing/disturbing enough to make me hold off.

A Small Team of Student AI Coders Beats Google's Machine-Learning Code

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Students from, a small organization that runs free machine-learning courses online, just created an AI algorithm that outperforms code from Google's researchers, per an important benchmark. From a report:'s success is important because it sometimes seems as if only those with huge resources can do advanced AI research. consists of part-time students keen to try their hand at machine learning -- and perhaps transition into a career in data science. It rents access to computers in Amazon's cloud. But's team built an algorithm that beats Google's code, as measured using a benchmark called DAWNBench, from researchers at Stanford. This benchmark uses a common image classification task to track the speed of a deep-learning algorithm per dollar of compute power. Google's researchers topped the previous rankings, in a category for training on several machines, using a custom-built collection its own chips designed specifically for machine learning. The team was able to produce something even faster, on roughly equivalent hardware.

AI Algorithm?

By 110010001000 • Score: 3, Insightful • Thread
How does an AI algorithm differ from a plain old algorithm. I am so curious...

Millions of Android Devices Are Vulnerable Right Out of the Box

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Security meltdowns on your smartphone are often self-inflicted: You clicked the wrong link, or installed the wrong app. But for millions of Android devices, the vulnerabilities have been baked in ahead of time, deep in the firmware, just waiting to be exploited. Who put them there? Some combination of the manufacturer that made it, and the carrier that sold it to you. From a report: That's the key finding of new analysis from mobile security firm Kryptowire, which details troubling bugs preloaded into 10 devices sold across the major US carriers. Kryptowire CEO Angelos Stavrou and director of research Ryan Johnson will present their research, funded by the Department of Homeland Security, at the Black Hat security conference Friday. The potential outcomes of the vulnerabilities range in severity, from being able to lock someone out of their device to gaining surreptitious access to its microphone and other functions. They all share one common trait, though: They didn't have to be there. [...] "The problem is not going to go away, because a lot of the people in the supply chain want to be able to add their own applications, customize, add their own code. That increases the attack surface, and increases the probability of software error," Stavrou says. "They're exposing the end user to exploits that the end user is not able to respond to." Security researchers found 38 different vulnerabilities that can allow for spying and factory resets loaded onto 25 Android phones. That includes devices from Asus, ZTE, LG and the Essential Phone, which are distributed by carriers like Verizon or AT&T.

Not surprising

By nwaack • Score: 4 • Thread
When a phone comes brand new out-of-the-box with 55% of its space already used it isn't surprising that some of that crapware is causing vulnerabilities!

Blah blah blah Security Fatigue

By Lije Baley • Score: 3 • Thread

Yes, let's just keep piling on these alarmist, security-as-a-religion articles. It will only hasten the coming of the post-security world.

Re: Not surprising

By peragrin • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

Not only is it crapware it is uninstallable crapware. Let me uninstall samsung mail , calendar I don't use it anyway.

Fine lock me into TouchWiz z but let me uninstall apps I don't actually use.
Bewteen Samsung and att I have 30 unstallable apps

Apps, not settings, or keyboards that I replaced just apps

Re: Not surprising

By sjames • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

So name the half decent device that isn't loaded with crapware they should have bought instead?

Too often voting with your wallet is like voting in the old Soviet Union, you can choose any member of the Communist party you want.

Foreign governments?

By mi • Score: 3 • Thread

If NSA "customizes" routers meant for foreign customers, why wouldn't Chinese government seek to do something similar? Unlike NSA, they can flat-out order their own companies to do that, while doing something more subtle with the Korean and Taiwanese manufacturers...

And in the world of spying, if someone can, you can bet that they do...

The Pirate Bay Turns 15

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Sometime about 15 years ago, a group of hackers and activists launched The Pirate Bay, a notorious torrent search engine. TorrentFreak: While the exact launch date is a bit of a mystery, even to the site's founders, August 10 was previously chosen as its anniversary. What we do know is that the site was brought online in 2003 by now-disbanded pro-culture organization Piratbyran, which is Swedish for Bureau of Piracy. The group was formed by political activists and hackers in the same year, many of whom had already launched other web projects challenging political, moral, and power structures.

One of the group's unwritten goals was to offer a counterweight to the propaganda being spread by local anti-piracy outfit Antpiratbyran. With BitTorrent as the up-and-coming file-sharing technology, they saw fit to start their own file-sharing site to promote sharing of information. The Pirate Bay first came online in Mexico where Gottfrid Svartholm, aka Anakata, hosted the site on a server owned by the company he was working for at the time. After a few months, the site moved to Sweden where it was hosted on a Pentium III 1GHz laptop with 256MB RAM.

Happy Birthday Piratebay!

By Andre Dias • Score: 3, Interesting • Thread
Thanks, I found there content unavailable anywhere else on the internet. Old books, comics, movies.

Re:its not legal yet

By PopeRatzo • Score: 4, Funny • Thread

its not legal yet

But at 15, it's too old for Roy Moore.

Those where the glory days

By jediborg • Score: 3, Interesting • Thread
Were we thought in the future everyone would be able to permanently own a copy of their favorite movie/tv show/album. We figured in the future artists would still be paid gratis (e.g. 'you are my faviorate here is $30 donation please make another album!') But the digital information would be free, in the future anyone would be able to access any movie ever made for free, and maybe only be 'forced' to pay if they wanted HD quality of the latest episode/release. We figured all this increased internet freedom would bring the copyright regime tumbling down, and finally we would have the necessary reform that would allow derivative works like fanfics/fanart and remixes to flourish on the interwebs instead of being shut down.

15 years later and you either need a subscription to Netflix, Amazon, Hulu etc. to maybe watch a couple of movies you might like that may or may not be available that month. Otherwise you are stuck with a box under your TV that demands you pay $5.99-$9.99 EVERY SINGLE TIME you want to watch your favorite action movie. The oppressive copyright regime marches on into new territories and countries, with the US government sending agents to arrest teenagers in countries where its not even illegal to share files online. Youtube continues to take down videos for using 15 seconds of video that is declared 'infringing' even when the included content is not even owned by the party that flagged it to be taken down. Heck this happens even when the content is in the public domain! The same thing happened to music, with more people volunteering to pay for limited streaming access to a library instead of just sharing their favorite tracks with friends.

Instead of technology making us more free it helped the oligarchs to control us even more.

Re:Happy Birthday Piratebay!

By godel_56 • Score: 4, Funny • Thread

Fuck that. If I want to screw a back alley hooker with out a condom, that is my choice.

John McAfee, is that you?

Nintendo's Offensive, Tragic, and Totally Legal Erasure of ROM Sites

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"The damage that removing ROMs from the internet could do to video games as a whole is catastrophic." From a report: In July, Nintendo sued two popular ROM sites, LoveROMS and, for what it called "brazen and mass-scale infringement of Nintendo's intellectual property rights." Both sites have since shut down. On Wednesday, another big, 18-year-old ROM site, EmuParadise, said it would no longer be able to allow people to download old games due to "potentially disastrous consequences." Nintendo owns the intellectual property for its games, and when people pirate them instead of buying a Nintendo Super NES Classic Edition or a downloading a copy from one of its digital storefronts, it can argue it's losing money. According to Nintendo's official site, ROMs and video game emulation also represent "the greatest threat to date to the intellectual property rights of video game developers," and "have the potential to significantly damage" tens of thousands of jobs. Even when a Nintendo game isn't for sale, it's still the company's intellectual property, and it can enforce its copyright if it wants.

But the damage that removing ROMs from the internet could do to video games as a whole is catastrophic. Many game developers and people who have otherwise made video games a major part of their lives, especially those who grew up in low-income households or outside a Western country, wouldn't have been inspired to take that path if it wasn't for ROMs. Entire chapters of video game history would be lost if ROMs and emulation didn't preserve games where publishers failed to. And perhaps most importantly, denying people access to ROMs makes the process of educating them in game development much more difficult, potentially hobbling future generations of video game makers.


By FictionPimp • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

Willful disobedience is a valid way to protest an unjust system.

Re: Need a "use it or lose it" IP policy

By NormalVisual • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

Well I'm sorry cupcake, but that's exactly the opposite of why copyright exists. The idea is to allow you to benefit from your work for a LIMITED time, in order to encourage you to create other works, with the end result of enriching society as a whole when it eventually becomes public domain. If you want to say "screw society", then maybe society should return the favor and just do away with the idea of copyright altogether, hmm? It's a right that SOCIETY grants to you, not a natural right.

Here's one way to get around this:

By Rick Schumann • Score: 3, Interesting • Thread
Having worked in a previous life in the arcade game industry repairing coin-op games, I can tell you that all you really need to do if you need ROM images for an old coin-op game (if it's a coin-op game we're talking about that is) is to locate one of the companies still around that can repair them, and buy a set of replacement ROMs, then find someone with a chip programmer to read them out to binary files for you. Who you get the ROMs from might even be so nice as to give you image files of them. It's not like there's any copy protection on the ROMs/EPROMs themselves, they're just memory devices. Console game ROMs could be obtained from their original hardware sources with slightly more difficulty, but it's still relatively trivial, all you'd really need is a chip programmer and some basic soldering skills.

Also Nintendo is attempting to close the barn door long after the horses have left, moved on, started over, raised families, had grandchildren, and settled into retirement; never forget that once something has been out on the Internet, it's there forever, someone else will have them. All Nintendo has done is driven the source(s) of them underground.

Re: Complicit

By Dread_ed • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

I don't think Nintendo is an American company. Nice try though.

Re: Complicit

By OrangeTide • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

It was essentially abandoned property.

You may feel justified in taking something that has been ignored for many years. But legally you can't implicitly abandon your copyright. You have a copyright on your creations for many decades (in some cases 120 years).

(following is US law, but other countries have similar but not identical laws)
Trademark on the other hand does revert if not enforced. And there is no limit in duration.
Patents are active for as long as they are registered.(20 years, typically), even if you let people violate them for years.
Mask Works also work for as long as they are registered(10 years from start of registration)

Now for an analogy: If I didn't mow my property for 20 years, and your kids grew up playing on it without me saying a word about it. Would they be able to visit that property any time they wanted as adults? Do your grandkids automatically get to use it too. Now I put up a fence, and call the cops on your grand kids for trespassing. Would I be a total dick? Would I have a legal right to do so? (yes and probably)

Some Engineers Are Turning Down Tech Recruiters in Silicon Valley Over Concerns About Corporate Value

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Tech companies such as Amazon, Facebook, Google, and Microsoft have faced growing internal unrest from employees who raise ethical concerns about how the companies deploy their high-tech services and products. That chorus of dissent is now growing louder as outside engineers voice their concerns to recruiters working for those tech companies. An anonymous reader shares a report: The protests of tech workers have proven persuasive because Silicon Valley firms compete fiercely to recruit and retain relatively scarce engineering talent. For example, Google's leadership sought to reassure employees by declaring it would not renew its Pentagon contract and by issuing a set of ethical principles for future uses of Google-developed technologies. By the same logic, engineers who are approached by tech recruiters also have leverage. "I might be a one-off example, but it could be different if Amazon gets a lot of people emailing them saying, 'Hey I won't work for you because of this,'" Geiduschek, a software engineer at Dropbox, who declined a job offer from Amazon, says.

Jackie Luo, a software engineer at Square, took a similar stance with a tech recruiter who sought to interest her in a career with Google. The recruiter happened to contact Luo when she was reading about Google's plans to re-enter the Chinese market with a censored version of the company's Internet search engine. [...] Individual engineers such as Luo and Geiduschek seem to be responding to tech recruiters through their own initiative rather than as part of any larger movement. Meanwhile, some tech employees have joined organized efforts, such as the #TechWontBuildIt movement spearheaded by the labor advocacy group Tech Workers Coalition.

Re:Admirable but...

By lgw • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

Morality certainly influenced my most recent job move.

I had recruiters from both Google and Facebook reaching out to me, but it's clear from their corporate culture that conservatives - even moderates - are not welcome at those companies. I feel the "progressive" movement is the most dangerous and harmful political force since the Wall fell, and I don't want to have on my conscience contributing to that in any way.

Fortunately, you no longer need to work at the Big 5 to get great pay, at least if you're past mid-career (they probably still pay college hires the best, though I hear MS is falling off).

Not that the company I landed at isn't quite liberal internally, but they don't inflict it on their customers.

Re:Sounds about right

By lgw • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

To his point, we don't because "follow the money". The US is run by a very big-corporate establishment that puppets most Dems and Republicans, and has a laser focus on "more labor supply = more profits", all across the economic spectrum from the illegal leaf picker to the H1-B with a PhD. Open borders directly drives concentration of wealth at the top.

I've done this before

By Hadlock • Score: 3 • Thread

Working as an engineer in the bay area I get unsolicited emails to my (relatively unpublished) personal email account directly by all sorts of companies, not to mention 10+ recruiter contacts a week via linkedin, etc.
I don't hesitate to let them know if a particular republican venture capitalist that financially backed Trump's presidential campaign that has invested in their company, has turned me off from their company (pick one, there's a couple of high profile ones). Or if they're heavily in bed with the defense industry, or tangentially attached to some other cause I'm against (there's a couple of banks that come to mind), I will let them know. Having enough experience in the industry to have options, it's nice to be able to flatly turn down offers. Obviously there is someone who will sell their soul to get their foot in the door, I am not slowing down their hiring process by any measurable degree, but it does mean that they will have to struggle to grow with less talented or less experienced talent. I'm ok with this.
Most of my friend share at least a somewhat similar view. But we've been here long enough to pick and choose our next job. There's a lot of immigrants from other parts of the world that will take the more morally ambiguous jobs in tech just to get here.

Re:Amazon has it's 100 hours a week issues!

By registrations_suck • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

I had a friend that said they worked no more than sixty hours a week while on call 24/7. For programming, that's about the best work/life balance you can expect.

Only if you're a schmuck. I have never worked those kinds of hours - nor would I any longer than the time it takes me to find another job.

Re:Believe it or not...

By organgtool • Score: 5, Informative • Thread
People stopped dreaming of working at those places because government budgets are shrinking, the work that's left goes to contracting companies that screw over their employees (no raises for many years and continually cutting benefits), and the contracts often require working on "tried and tested" technologies instead of exciting new tech. I don't necessarily disagree with that last point given that a lot of government systems are focused on safety but most people would rather work with cutting edge tech because it's more exciting and it increases their value in the marketplace.

- Former government contractor

Facebook, Still on a Mission To Bring People Online, Announces Connectivity

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The social network's initiatives to connect people to the internet, including and new data analytics tools, are now part of Facebook Connectivity. From a report: A half decade after launching, seen by many as the coming-out party for Facebook's connectivity programs, the company said it's shaking up its efforts to bring internet access to the 4 billion people who still don't have it. On Friday, Facebook rounded up all its disparate broadband and infrastructure projects and housed them under a new umbrella organization called Facebook Connectivity. "There's no silver bullet for connecting the world," Yael Maguire, vice president of engineering for Facebook Connectivity, said in an interview Thursday. "There isn't going to be a magic technology or business plan or single regulatory policy change that's going to change this. We really believe that it is a wide and diverse set of efforts that's required to do this."

The Connectivity group houses projects including Terragraph, which aims to connect high-density urban areas; OpenCellular, an open-source platform working on rural connectivity; and the Telecom Infra Project, a joint initiative with the wireless industry for creating faster networks. Facebook said the umbrella will also include, which drew controversy with its Free Basics product that offered a pared-down version of the internet in emerging markets. While has been synonymous with Facebook's connectivity efforts for the past five years, the new Connectivity brand may signal the company trying to distance itself from the backlashes surrounding

What happened to Slashdot?

By Xord • Score: 3 • Thread
Serious question: Where did all the clever people from Slashdot go? I used to enjoy the well thought out opinions in the comments section. It seems like every other article now is full of comments like the above.

Ethiopia is Blocking the Internet Again To Stifle Unrest in Its Troubled Eastern Region

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Ethiopia's government has regressed to an old habit: shutting down the internet. From a report: Reports show the internet has been blocked in the eastern cities of Jijiga, Dire Dawa, and Harar following violence and simmering political tensions. Over the past weekend, federal troops were deployed to the eastern Somali regional state, leading to a standoff with local police, lootings, and death. The region's leader Abdi Mohamoud Omar, better known as Abdi Iley, was forced to resign and replaced by his finance minister Ahmed Abdi Mohammed. Following the unrest, officials cut off internet access to the region, with no explanation from either the ministry of communications or the sole mobile operator and internet provider Ethio Telecom. The move is indicative of an old Ethiopian government trick, blocking the internet or access to specific social media sites like Facebook and Twitter during anti-government protests or unease.

Re:A time I agreed with Trump

By ShanghaiBill • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

they still haven't recovered from the colonialists raping their countries and then pulling out.

This is not supported by evidence. The countries where colonialism was longest and deepest (e.g: South Africa, Ghana, Kenya) are doing the best, because of strong institutions, rule of law, and economic ties to the wider world. Countries where colonialism was shortest and weakest, and tribalism left intact, are doing the worst.

The Germans occupied Norway for longer than the Italians occupied Ethiopia. Blaming Ethiopia's problems on "colonialism" is absurd.

By any objective measure, Africans that gave up tribalism and adopted western ways, are doing relatively well. If you look at income, infant mortality, maternal mortality, violence, longevity, nutrition, literacy, health, sexual abuse, alcoholism, or any other measure of human welfare that you can think of, traditional tribal societies are at the absolute bottom.

The World Bank is Preparing For the World's First Blockchain Bond

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The World Bank has mandated Commonwealth Bank of Australia to arrange the world's first blockchain bond. From a report: The Kangaroo bond, referring to foreign bonds issued in Australia in the local currency, has been named bond-i, an acronym standing for Blockchain Offered New Debt Instrument. (It's also a reference to Bondi Beach, an iconic spot in Sydney.) According to the institution, the bond will be the first in the world to be created, allocated, transferred and managed with blockchain technology. That tech, which underpins cryptocurrencies like bitcoin, refers to the distributed ledger technology that securely records all transactions made on the chain. "Blockchain has the potential to streamline processes among numerous debt capital market intermediaries and agents. This can help simplify raising capital and trading securities; improve operational efficiencies; and enhance regulatory oversight," a joint release from the two organizations said.

bloackchain blockchain

By Anonymous Coward • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

We need to move now. Our competitors already vertically integrate granular paradigms. At the end of the day, the marketplace has changed. Tee up strategically or dialog. If we circle back, we will unfortunately be lagging in world-class passion. Our enterprise center is focused on new ways to gamify the consumer space through vertical deployments of traction.

this sounds like some journalist got hoaxed

By cas2000 • Score: 3 • Thread

blockchain and bitcoin hype is ridiculous, but this is just absurd.

"Kangaroo bonds" (they bounce right back, right?) and "bond-i". yeah, right.

And since when does the World Bank tell the Commonwealth Bank of Australia what to do?

'It's Time to End the Yearly Smartphone Launch Event'

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Owen Williams, writing for Motherboard: Thursday, at a flashy event in New York, Samsung unveiled yet another phone: the Galaxy Note 9. Like you'd expect, it's rectangular, it has a screen, and it has a few cameras. While unveiling what it hopes will be the next hit, it unknowingly confirmed something we've all been wondering: the smartphone industry is out of ideas. Phones are officially boring: the only topic that's up for debate with the Galaxy Note 9 is the lack of the iconic notch found on the iPhone X, and that it has a headphone jack. The notch has been cloned by almost every phone maker out there, and the headphone jack is a commodity that's unfortunately dying. However, the fact that we're comparing phones with or without a chunk out of the screen or a hole for your headphones demonstrates just how stuck the industry is.

It's clear that there's nothing really to see here. Yeah, the Note is a big phone, and it has a larger battery too. It's in different colors, it's faster than last year, and it has wireless charging. Everything you see here is from a laundry list of features that other smartphone manufacturers also have, and the lack of differentiation becomes clearer every year. It's the pinnacle of technology, and it's a snooze-fest. This isn't exclusively a Samsung problem: Every manufacturer from Apple to Xiaomi faces the same predicament. The iPhone's release cycle that Apple trained the world to be accustomed to, with splashy yearly releases and million-dollar keynotes, is clearly coming to an end as consumers use their existing phones for longer every year.


By Nidi62 • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

The problem with a "smaller" phone is that most consumers will expect it to also come with a smaller price. a 3" phone basically costs the same thing to produce as a 6" phone

Seeing as how an iPhone X has a 64% profit margin (>$360 to make, retails for $1k), it should be easy for a 3" phone to cost less and still maintain a healthy profit margin. Don't know why people were so excited about Apple reaching $1T, part of the reason they got so high is because they massively overcharge for their products.

Not out of ideas...

By rickb928 • Score: 3 • Thread

Just unable, yet, to deliver

Folding screens, for instance, will transform the industry's high-end, but since they have priced current top of the line phones at the market limit (which is after all economics in action), and is there a market for folding-screen phones that makes them feasible? I dunno, I wanted one but the probable price makes me say 'wait'.

A truly capable desktop-able phone is within reach probably, though the software may not be. Samsung keeps trying.

Most of the innovation will be in software. When I can get our my car, disconnect the display from the dash screen, walk in my front door, and my phone takes a corner of my TV to announce 'it's home', voice commands move to my in-home assistant, and it all works without me having to say or do anything, then we're getting some innovation. Let it ignore my kids' voices, even better, and take only mine, perfect...

Software. Phone shape is a battle won.

Re:We've reached peak Bells & Whistles

By war4peace • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

There's a shit ton of stuff that can still be added to a phone, but it's not "innovation", rather "improvement".
Some time in 2017, mobile phones have reached a point (in terms of power) where they can indeed be used as "pocket desktops". There's enough raw power in them to act as such. All we need is the required improvements, and most of those are software-based, rather than hardware-based.

A couple months ago I played with a Samsung S9+ for a couple of days, and when I needed to charge it I once plugged it into the USB type C of a Lenovo port replicator. It so happened that I had an USB stick connected to the port replicator, and I was amazed to find out the phone detected the port replicator, knew it had audio output capabilities and also detected the USB stick. It could read data off the USB stick but errored out when writing on it.
That got me thinking: the protocol worked. The hardware was compatible. The proper software implementation of all the possible features was missing. So there's the slew of opportunities right there: develop software to leverage your phone's power in the desktop application area. Yeah I sound like a marketing dude but I'm not, I just really look forward to see that happen. Unfortunately, politics and agendas might get in the way, but wouldn't it be cool to come hone, slam your phone into a dock and have a mouse, a keyboard and a couple monitors linked to that dock, complete with Internet access, LAN access, etc.

Re:We've reached peak Bells & Whistles

By Oswald McWeany • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

Surprised it's lasted this long. The reason we're not seeing "innovation" is because a smartphone is a smartphone is a smartphone. We're pretty much topped out on what the useful purpose a smartphone is for. Everything else is just maybe nice to have, but not absolutely necessary.

However, I'd like to see more advancement on the camera side. Like a real optical zoom in a reasonably sized package.

I can't wait for the innovation of the thicker phone. Give me a thicker phone- give me more bezel... if it means you can fit a battery in it that actually lasts a full 24 hours- give me a nice thick bezzelly phone WITH A REAL CHUNKING HUNKING POWERFUL BATTERY.

That's the innovation I want.

Re:It's your own fault for paying attention.

By 93 Escort Wagon • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

I’m using my 6S till it dies.

What was it - last year? - when Apple officially threw in the towel by spending 2/3 of the event demonstrating their $1200 smartphones killer feature was... animated cartoonish faces which mimic your movements. If that doesn’t scream “we’re out of ideas”, nothing does.

Hollywood Goes Open Source: Academy Teams Up With Linux Foundation To Launch Academy Software Foundation

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Hollywood now has its very own open source organization: The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has teamed up with the Linux Foundation to launch the Academy Software Foundation, which is dedicated to advance the use of open source in film making and beyond. From a report: The association's founding members include Animal Logic, Autodesk, Blue Sky Studios, Cisco, DNEG, DreamWorks, Epic Games, Foundry, Google Cloud, Intel, SideFX, Walt Disney Studios and Weta Digital. Together, they want to promote open source, help studios and others in Hollywood with open source licensing issues and manage open source projects under the helm of the Software Foundation. The cooperation between the Academy and the Linux Foundation began a little over two years ago, when the Academy's Science and Technology Council began to look into Hollywood's use of open source software. "It's the culmination of a couple of years of work," said Industrial Light & Magic (ILM) head Rob Bredlow in an interview with Variety this week.

One of the findings of that investigation: Almost everyone in Hollywood is using open source software in one way or another. An internal survey found that 80 percent of all companies were using open source. "It's a really big component of the motion picture industry," Bredlow said. Linux Foundation executive director Jim Zemlin argued that this kind of cooperation could be transformative for Hollywood. "I've seen this movie before in other industries," he punned, explaining that automotive companies had seen huge benefits from working together on open source projects.


By TimMD909 • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread
Glad to see an industry obsessed about preventing people making free copies of their shit is using software that is freely copied...

Re:Smart Move

By pecosdave • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

I disagree.

Working together often makes things better, but without opposing forces things and new ideas things tend to stagnate.

An open-minded 90% working together with a very cunning 10% doing something different makes for something better.

It's to destroy the CG industry

By jader3rd • Score: 3 • Thread
They do this so they can farm out every scene to a different CG startup contractor, who then loses money, and goes bankrupt, while the movie studio rakes in the cash.

Hollywood forked Gimp long ago

By raymorris • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

ILM (George Lucas), Pixar, and others have been using Gimp for decades. They created a fork specifically for movies called FilmGimp. It was later renamed CinePaint.

EPA Staff Objected To Agency's New Rules on Asbestos Use, Internal Emails Show

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Top officials at the Environmental Protection Agency pushed through a measure to review applications for using asbestos in consumer products, and did so over the objections of E.P.A.'s in-house scientists and attorneys, internal agency emails show. From a report: The clash over the proposal exposes the tensions within the E.P.A. over the Trump administration's efforts to roll back environmental rules and rewrite other regulations that industries have long fought. Asbestos, a naturally occurring mineral and known carcinogen, was once common in insulation and fireproofing materials, but today most developed countries ban it. The United States still allows limited use in products including gaskets, roofing materials and sealants. The proposed new rule would create a new process for regulating uses of asbestos, something the E.P.A. is obliged to do under a 2016 amendment to a toxic substances law.

Re:"but today most developed countries ban it"

By hey! • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

Sure, we don't ban the existence of asbestos, in the same way we don't ban the existence of mercury. But the use of these substances is heavily regulated so that they are either illegal or impractical.

Asbestos use is limited under three major laws: (1) The Toxic Substances Control Act, (2) The Clean Air Act, and (3) The Consumer Product Safety Act. A number of other federal laws ban asbestos in places like schools. Asbestos is banned in the manufacture of a wide variety of products such as flooring felt, and use in commercial developments has been forbidden under the TCSA since 1989. However concrete-asbestos insulated pipes continued to be used in some niche industrial applications for some years after that.

Deregulating asbestos is something which the Executive Branch cannot entirely do without new legislation. Even if it had the federal legislation, there'd still be local laws and building codes forbidding its use. Even if you got rid of those, you'd have civil liability. And if you could get rid of that, you'd have the fact that installing asbestos lowers a building's market value.

The idea that federal bureaucrats can reanimate the dead corpse of asbestos insulation is even dumber than the idea they can win back the market share coal has lost to natural gas.

Re:Yes like tax exemptions

By Immerman • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

Sure. You also need to have labor. So why should capital get preferential treatment?

Re:Too many regulations hurt job creators

By Sir Holo • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

Yeah, who give a shit about things like peoples health or the environment we live in. Lets just do whatever the fuck we want!

People's health? Asbestos is hands down the greatest fire retardant ever discovered; it's only cancer causing when breathed in shredded microfiber form. Banning it everywhere no matter what is wild overreaction. More asbestos installed safely would prevent fires and improve heath.

Maybe. But it is the removal of the asbestos -- in a fire where particles form an aerosol -- or when the building is torn down -- that it gets into the air. I've been in plenty of buildings with asbestos. They were built long ago, and the stuff is fine while it remains undisturbed.

US buildings are primarily 'throw-away', meaning that the building will probably come down within 50 years, creating an asbestos problem.

Re:Yes like tax exemptions

By Dragonslicer • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

When you go to work and put in your hours, you are not risking any money. You will get paid. 100% chance.

Unless you're working on a construction project for Trump.

Re:"but today most developed countries ban it"

By HornWumpus • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

You can buy a welding blanket at HF for about $20.

Facebook Now Deletes Posts That Financially Endanger, Trick People

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from TechCrunch: It's not just inciting violence, threats and hate speech that will get Facebook to remove posts by you or your least favorite troll. Endangering someone financially, not just physically, or tricking them to earn a profit are now also strictly prohibited. Facebook today spelled out its policy with more clarity in hopes of establishing a transparent set of rules it can point to when it enforces its policy in the future. "We do not, for example, allow content that could physically or financially endanger people, that intimidates people through hateful language, or that aims to profit by tricking people using Facebook," its VP of policy Richard Allen published today. Web searches show this is the first time Facebook has used that language regarding financial attacks.

Campaign Finance Violation

By roccomaglio • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread
If Facebook is promoting a certain candidate or party, then it can run afoul of campaign finance laws. If it is shown they are acting in a political manner, they open themselves up to being prosecuted for illegal contributions. If they are running ads, for the benefit of political entities it is clear cut that they are making in-kind contributions to the political entity. If they are suppressing one side of political speak it is less clear cut, but the same argument could be made. How much is exclusive advertising worth? The value in the commercial world is real. A bank could sign and exclusive contract with the local newspaper to be the only bank that runs ads in the newspaper. This generally requires significantly more money than a normal ad buy, since the newspaper is forgoing the opportunity to receive ads from competing banks.

There might be something else at play here...

By atrex • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

If politicians can run around and suddenly start holding site operators liable for one kind of content, how long until they start holding them liable for all types of damning content? Site operators might just be trying to get ahead of the curve, because of the giant can of worms that FOSTA-SESTA opened up.

If someone wants to cry about First Amendment violations, this is really the avenue you need to approach it from. This is the government forcing a proxy to censor speech by making that proxy liable for any criminal activity that speech perpetrates.

Re:End so it begins - normalization of censorship

By penandpaper • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

Facebook has an interest in keeping its site clean and hospitable

I think Zuckerbergs testimony on Capital Hill is relevant particularly with Cruz.

Sure, Facebook has an interest in keeping its site clean but they cannot be both a platform (neutral public forum) and a publisher at the same time. They are either responsible for all the content on their site or not. They are either expressing their political speech or they are enabling others to speak. Facebook wants it both ways and the censorship culture and normalization has enabled Facebook and other social media sites to abuse the rights of others and use their position to negatively impact the political discourse.

What is even more worrying is that the culture of censorship is growing. There must be some irony that the left is defending giant international companies to trample over the rights of individuals because of some misguided attempt to sanitize the internet.


By Brett Buck • Score: 3 • Thread

"Most of the major ills of the world have been caused by well-meaning people who ignored the principle of individual freedom, except as applied to themselves, and who were obsessed with fanatical zeal to improve the lot of mankind-in-the-mass through some pet formula of their own. The harm done by ordinary criminals, murderers, gangsters, and thieves is negligible in comparison with the agony inflicted upon human beings by the professional do-gooders, who attempt to set themselves up as gods on earth and who would ruthlessly force their views on all others with the abiding assurance that the end justifies the means." - Isabel Patterson, The God of the Machine

Re:End so it begins - normalization of censorship

By slack_justyb • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

Because the web has caused the privatization of public discourse

No. That was clearly done by TV before the web. That was clearly done by radio before TV. That was clearly done by newspapers before radio. That was clearly done by monarchs before free press. Shall I continue? Each iteration has allowed the creation of platforms to become easier, but let's not kid ourselves here, the big ones that everyone notices are organized because unorganized ones don't tend to become massively big things since they just reduce down to pretty much background noise. With that organization comes rules and policies and so forth that inherently censor some groups. What Facebook et al are doing isn't unique, only its medium is. Does that make censorship in general right or wrong? That's a point that's debatable for the ages, but what social media groups are "currently" doing is inline with what has come before and we have seen progress from kings of yore to Internet with that system. So I'd argue that while it would be great to have completely open everything in theory, the actual implementation of that would be horrible, and that the current implementation is balanced enough to get us to whatever the next point on the tech tree of the universe is.

I need you and everyone to understand that this whole topic is arguing a topic that's been brought up since the Classical and Hellenistic Period. How does one allow the free exchange of ideas without the entire thing devolving into madness? Guess what, thirty-six centuries later, we still haven't figured it out. And it's starting to seem like the answer is to the "where does it stop?!" question you are asking is, "somewhere, people need to keep their heads up, but ultimately it stops somewhere." Blanket openness is clearly not an answer, because that's just saying "society as a whole is just lazy and if we don't have complete openness, then we're just a slippery slope away from having all our rights taken away."

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll change your tune once it's taken over and turned against you, though

That is the entire point. It stops at some point because as much as we on Slashdot like to diss the general public, they do ultimately seem to understand when basic rights are being trampled unjustly, Who determines that? Well we all sort of do, there's not a hard and fast rule to that and I get it, that makes some of the hard liner type folks a little uneasy. Society doesn't have clear distinct lines for every single thing. So there's two things a person can do about that.

One, accept that society doesn't have clearly defined boundaries and that you'll have to do your part if and when the time comes.

Two, don't accept that and get all upset that humanity seemingly just can't get its crap together and live your entire life in frustration.

If you are intent on hanging your hat on the latter, well there's not much anyone can do to help you. We're basically always going to be having this discussion until the end of time. Advocacy for human rights isn't a spectator sport. But if you're willing to consider the first point, then you'll have to first start working on the whole, "am I ready to die on this hill or not?" thing. Once you've got a good grasp on that, you'll need to ditch the "slippy slope" argument every time something you don't agree with comes up and work on the whole "persuasive argument" thing. And trust me, there is tons of room in this debate for a rational argument, like the seemingly inequitable application of those policies, and so on. But you are going to fall far and fast if what you lead with is, "They'll be coming for you soon too! Just you watch!"

Samsung Unveils Tizen-Powered Galaxy Watch That Lasts 'Several Days' On Single Charge

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Alongside the Galaxy Note 9 and Galaxy Home Speaker, Samsung took the wraps off its new Galaxy Watch wearable at its Unpacked event in New York City. VentureBeat reports: Beyond coming in rose gold, silver, and midnight black colors, it can be had in two sizes -- the prior Gear S3 size is now called "46mm" and will start at $349.99, while a smaller-sized model is called "42mm" and will start at $329.99. Both will be available starting August 24, solely in the specific size and color configurations shown below. Samsung is also using improved glass: Gear S3 watches used Corning's Gorilla Glass SR+ and were IP68 rated for 10-foot, 30-minute water and dust resistance. The Galaxy Watch upgrades to Corning Gorilla DX+ glass and promises to keep the AMOLED screen underneath fully water-safe; it's rated for 5 ATM (165-foot/50-meter) submersion with IP68 and MIL-STD-810G certifications.

A disappointment in the new model is a reduction in its payment capabilities. The Gear S3 included both NFC and swipe-style magnetic secure transaction (MST) support to enable a wide array of Samsung Pay wireless purchases, but the Galaxy Watch drops MST support and only works with NFC. Not surprisingly, however, it does support Bluetooth 4.2 and 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi. While continuing the use of a Tizen operating system from the Gear S3, Galaxy Watch packs a more powerful dual-core Exynos 9110 processor running at 1.15GHz. As was the case with the Gear S3 Frontier, the Galaxy Watch is available in Bluetooth-only and LTE versions, now promising LTE support across over 30 carriers in more than 15 countries. On stage, Samsung promised that the Galaxy Watch can be used for "several" days between charges; a subsequent press release said that it's actually "up to 80+ hours with typical usage" on the 46mm model, which has a 472mAh battery, versus "45+ hours" from the 270mAh battery of the 42mm model. Each model promises at least twice the longevity "with low usage."

Pathetic !

By Anonymous Coward • Score: 3, Informative • Thread

My old Timex from the 1970's does at least 5 years on a single tiny cell battery.

My Gear S3 already lasts several days?

By Reverant • Score: 5, Informative • Thread
Sounds like marketing talk. My Gear S3 currently lasts 3-3.5 days with typical usage, so that's "several days" already. It consumes between 25-30% of the battery per day, on average. I would not bother with upgrading if the 3-3.5 days figure didn't upgrade to 5-6 days.

Eh..."up to 80+ hours"??

By sbaker • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

"up to 80+ hours"...what does that even mean? "Up to" (meaning less-than-or-equal-to) "80" (a conveniently rounded number) "plus" (presumably meaning greater than or equal to) hours. So basically, anywhere between 0 and infinity hours? Or maybe 80 hours PRECISELY?

People who write this stuff really need to stop covering their asses because what they say has ZERO meaning. All I get out of this is "It has a battery that runs it for some completely unknown amount of time".

Scientists Claim To Have Solved the Mystery of the Bermuda Triangle

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Slashdot reader MyrddinBach shares a report that claims the mystery of the Bermuda Triangle has been solved. The Bermuda Triangle is a loosely-defined region of water between the southernmost tip of Florida, Puerto Rico, and the island of Bermuda to the north. British oceanographers now believe that " rogue waves" are responsible for the disappearance of a number of ships in the region. VICE News reports: So what are rogue waves? Basically, they're abnormally large and unexpected waves in open sea. Dr Simon Boxall, an Oceanographer from the University of Southampton who led the new study, explained on a Channel 5 documentary The Bermuda Triangle Enigma: "there are storms to the South and North, which come together... we've measured waves in excess of 30 meters. The bigger the boat gets, the more damage is done." His team re-created the intense surges of the 30 meter waves by using indoor simulators. Then to see what such a wave would do to a large ship, they built a model of the USS Cyclops, a carrier that went missing in the Bermuda Triangle in 1918 and claimed the lives of 309 people.

Re:Not a mystery

By coofercat • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

If they were scientists, they wouldn't be peddling their wares on Channel 5.

Channel 5 is, how shall we say, "a the lower end" of the TV market in the UK. That probably pegs it in the up quartile of US TV, but that's really nothing to boast about. Typical Channel 5 programming includes Big Brother (because none of the other channels want it any more), those 'Building Megastructures' shows that advertise a few building contractors and a bunch of other, really terrible reality TV. Tonight it looks like even that level of quality might be tough to maintain:


By cascadingstylesheet • Score: 5, Funny • Thread

Actually..... As the three points used to denote the triangle are on a sphere (the Earth... or a close approximation of a sphere at such scale), there would be more than 180 degrees inside the triangle if it were measured on the surface of the ocean.

Cliff Claven! Long time no see!

Re:Of course

By kalpol • Score: 5, Informative • Thread
Yes, and it gets more interesting: There were four ships in this class - Proteus, Cyclops, Jupiter, and Nereus. Jupiter was converted into the Navy's first aircraft carrier, USS Langley, and was scuttled eventually . The other three disappeared without a trace at various times. The prevailing theory, as far as I've heard, is that the coal eventually corroded support structures and they were lost in storms at sea. Langley was heavily damaged by the Japanese in February 1942 and scuttled near the Philippines.

Re:Of course

By Jim Sadler • Score: 5, Informative • Thread
During WW1 there were large ships that mounted a short wooden runway and launched aircraft from them. i don't think they were able to land the aircraft at all. I seem to recall some sort of retrieval process that involved landing the planes close to the ships and winch or crane.

Re: Of course

By cayenne8 • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread
Ok, maybe this explains ships disappearing in the triangle.....

How do big waves explain the disappearance of aircraft??