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'No, Microsoft Won't Rebase Windows to Linux' Argues Canonical's Manager for Ubuntu on WSL

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Last month Eric Raymond suggested Microsoft might be moving to a Linux kernel that emulates Windows. ZDNet contributing editor Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols argued such a move "makes perfect sense", and open source advocate Jack Wallen even suggested Microsoft abandon Windows altogether for a new distro named Microsoft Linux.

It eventually drew the attention of Canonical's engineering manager for Ubuntu on WSL, who published a blog post with his own personal thoughts. Its title? " No, Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux." The NT kernel in Windows offers a degree of backward compatibility, long-term support, and driver availability that Linux is just now approaching. It would cost millions of dollars to replicate these in Linux. Microsoft has plenty of paying customers to continue supporting Windows as-is, some for decades. Windows is not a drain on Microsoft that would justify the expense of rebasing to Linux for savings, as Raymond has argued... It is unclear if the Windows user space could even be rebased from NT to the Linux kernel and maintain the compatibility that Windows is known for, specifically what enterprise clients with mission-critical applications are paying to get....

Microsoft has doubled down on Windows in recent years. Microsoft has invested in usability, new features, and performance improvements for Windows 10 that have paid off. These improvements, collaborations with OEMs, and the Surface helped revitalize a PC market that at one point looked in danger of falling to iPads and Chromebooks... Internal reorganizations in 2018 and 2020 show that the future of the Surface and Windows are now inextricably linked. Windows powers the Xbox and we are in a resurgence of mostly Windows-based PC gaming. Microsoft also has ideas for Windows 10X, the next operating system concept following Windows 10 (that I think we will get in gradual pieces), with future hardware like the Surface Neo in mind...

The much more interesting question is not whether Microsoft is planning to rebase Windows to Linux, but how far Windows will go on open source. We are already seeing components like Windows Terminal, PowerToys, and other Windows components either begin life as or go open source. The more logical and realistic goal here is a continued opening of Windows components and the Windows development process, even beyond the Insiders program, in a way that benefits other operating systems...

Raymond is correct in one key part of his blog. I do think the era of the desktop OS wars is ending. We are entering a new era where your high-end workstation will run multiple operating systems simultaneously, like runtimes, and not necessarily all locally. The choice will not really be Windows or Linux, it will be whether you boot Hyper-V or KVM first, and Windows and Ubuntu stacks will be tuned to run well on the other. Microsoft contributes patches to the Linux kernel to run Linux well on Hyper-V and tweaks Windows to play nicely on KVM. The best parts of Ubuntu will come to Windows and the best open source parts of Windows will come to Ubuntu, thanks to an increasing trend towards open source across Microsoft.

The key take-away though is that open source has won. And Raymond can be proud of helping to articulate the case for the open source development model when he did.

The post also explores "the reasons why I think this fantasy this keeps cropping up on Slashdot and Hacker News," calling the idea "a long-held fantasy for open source and Linux advocates."

But instead he concludes "Neither Windows nor Ubuntu are going anywhere. They are just going to keep getting better through open source."

Re:Denials mean it's already in development...

By ChunderDownunder • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

Is Canonical secretly working on rebasing Ubuntu to Windows, using Microsoft engineering to help them get there?

Re:Yes, running scared

By sg_oneill • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

Except that theres no benefit to Microsoft in such a move. They've shown they don't *need* to run windows on Linux to get linux compatibility into windows, and theres far too many differences between the core windows kernel functionality to make it particularly attractive.

Windows makes utterly silly amounts of money for Microsoft. Removing their brand uniqueness makes little sense.

Re: By this guy's logic...

By drinkypoo • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

Windows NT has run on many cpus over the years, but itÃ(TM)s still windows under the hood.

The full OS has run on five instruction sets: i386, amd64, PPC, Alpha, and HP-PA. The kernel and some other bits also run on ARM. And three of those architectures were only supported for a single OS version. That's a solid handful, but of all of the complete operating systems out there only netbsd and Linux have really run on "many" CPUs.

Re: "The key take-away though is that open source

By BarbaraHudson • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

If they were going to rebase it on anything, it would be FreeBSD. Freer license for the developers, since you aren't obligated to distribute the source under any condition.

So no dealing with whiners from the FSF, or RMS, or ESR.

'and no having to deal with fragmentation between distros - 1,000 shitty distros, all sorts of conflicting package managers, systemd or not systemd, and who knows what other crap is coming.

Also, you can't even give it away because most users don't want it.' Even more so than at the turn of the century.

Open source lost.

Re:Usability

By hey! • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

Really, Microsoft has no incentive to make things actually more useful. In what way does that benefit their bottom line? They have a desktop monopoly.

Actually their best play is to be seen making changes that *look* like they're addressing usability. This forces the mass of people who don't have any choice but to use Windows to accommodate to a new normal, which they hate but it doesn't matter. They have no choice. On the plus side this makes life difficult for people creating products that might work enough like Windows to be a threat. Take any Windows user from the 1990s and put him on XFCE, and he won't have any problem finding his way around. That's bad for Microsoft, but they are powerful enough to change the world so that a perfectly functional UI without pointless bells and whistles just feel *weird*.

Also on the plus side, people don't realize how much work it takes to keep an OS working with evolving hardware and security threats. Also every piece of software has bugs, and those bugs need to fixed, and the people fixing them need to paid. Users think things like that should be free, but it's not a sustainable business model; by the time bugs are discovered license revenue is long gone. Superficial changes make it seem like users are getting *something* for their money, even if that thing is useless.

Motley Fool: AMD 'Isn't Done Hammering Intel Yet'

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The Motley Fool writes: AMD held just under 18% of the CPU market at the end of 2016 before Ryzen arrived. The latest third-party estimates suggest that the chipmaker now controls close to 37% of the market. Other reliable estimates from the likes of video gaming platform Steam also suggest that AMD has been consistently chipping away at Intel's CPU dominance. And AMD isn't done hammering Intel in CPUs just yet — especially since the arrival of its latest Ryzen 5000 CPUs...

According to AMD's own claims, a high-end Ryzen 5000 processor can deliver a 26% jump in gaming performance over the previous-generation chip. AMD also claims that the chip is 7% faster in gaming performance than the competing Intel chip...

Rumors suggest that Intel may not launch its 12th-generation 10nm Alder Lake processors until the second half of 2021 to compete with AMD's 7nm process. So AMD is likely to continue enjoying a technology lead over Intel, especially considering that it could make the move to a 5nm manufacturing process with the Zen 4 microarchitecture by the end of 2021, according to rumors. As such, don't be surprised to see AMD continuing to eat Intel's market share, and remaining a top growth stock in the future thanks to a combination of improved CPU sales and stronger pricing power.

Re: Home Market, Not Business Market

By MrNaz • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

Many hosting providers are moving their VM hosts to AMD. I'm with Binary Lane here in Australia and they have AMD hosts now along with their Xeon ones.

Speaking to them, they prefer them. The cost per client facing VPS instance is far lower.

shut the fuck up

By Osgeld • Score: 3 • Thread

I am an AMD fanboi but

the 5000 series has not arrived, it wont at least a month, and not for resale

AMD's own claims are worth the same as piss in the toilet, they can calim that it will make you cum while seeing jesus, but until its tested by independent parties its just bullshit

Rumor's indicate shut the fuck up until shit happens, if you as a news reporter claim that AMD's 5x series has arrived a month-ish early then what the fuck do you know of rumor's.

This article is ass biscuits, quit posting garbage nonsense, especially since your two sources are from the same asshat no name dipshit website

Re:Home Market, Not Business Market

By EvilSS • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread
They are making in-roads into server rooms with their high core count CPUs. VMWare put a wrench in this a bit with their latest license changes though. "We aren't going to a per-core license, but if your CPU has more than this many cores, you need another socket license for it" bullshit. Too many places replacing dual CPU servers with single CPU, super high core AMD Epyc machines, and cutting their license cost in half.

Also let's not forget that back in 2006-2008 AMD made serious inroads into the datacenter with their multicore Opteron CPUs, and really kickstarted x86/x64 virtualization. Intel then came back and murdered them with Core/Nehalem, and AMD slid back to being seen as a budget brand CPU. I'm glad to see them giving it to Intel but they need to be able to keep it up for the long haul if they really want to do serious damage to them.

Re:Home Market, Not Business Market

By r1348 • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

Uuhh no.

The security issues that plagued Intel chips (AMD too, but to a much smaller degree) really broke the credibility of Intel among their bigger customers, especially those operating cloud platforms. AWS offers AMD instances now, which never did before.
On the enterprise laptop market, the lackluster performance of Intel chips is also creating space for AMD APUs, for the first time even the *really big* corporation I work for is offering AMD laptops alongside Intel ones for their employees (HP Elitebooks).

High performance business, though? Definitely!

By davecb • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

If you have an embarrassingly parallel problem, you worry about a combination of clock speed and number of cores, then about TCO.

Right now, the clock speeds aren't different enough, which takes me to how many threads I can get in a 1u package, and what it costs me over three years.
* AMD offers me an Epyc 7742 with 64 cores (128 hype-threads (;-)) for $6,950 list
* Intel offers me a Xeon Platinum 8280 with 28 real cores for just over $10,000 list

My power and cooling costs are a bit better with the AMD, the TCO is a bit better, and 64 versus 28 cores gives me a 2.3 to one improvement in the amount of work I get done per dollar.
As you might imagine, I've recommended a formal financial review of the new AMDs to my employer.

--dave
Numbers courtesy of https://www.extremetech.com/co...

Make Remote Work Permanent? No Way, Say Bay Area Leaders

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Last month a regional government agency in the San Francisco Bay Area voted "to move forward" with a proposal to eventually require people at large, office-based companies to work from home three days a week "as a way to slash greenhouse gas emissions from car commutes," according to NBC News.

But today local newspapers report " Bay Area leaders are already saying, no way." [Shorter, non-paywalled article here.] The Metropolitan Transportation Commission is drawing heavy fire from lawmakers, the business commmunity and transit supporters for a proposal that would require big companies to have their employees work from home at least 60 percent of the time by 2035.

The proposal is aimed at reducing vehicle commuters and greenhouse gas emissions, but Bay Area politicians and business leaders say it would encourage Silicon Valley companies to pick up and leave. "This will spur a flight of large employers from the Bay Area," said San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo, comparing the idea to paving lanes directly from Silicon Valley to Texas. After recovering from the pandemic-caused recession, Liccardo said, "we're going to miss those jobs." Liccardo and San Francisco Mayor London Breed this week urged MTC leaders to find a better solution to hit the region's long-term clean air goals...

Rebecca Saltzman, a BART director, is introducing a resolution asking MTC to re-examine the requirement, which was added late in the process. It would drive down transit use with no clear proof it would reduce greenhouse gases, she said. "We know we would lose riders," she said. Bay Area lawmakers said a work-from-home mandate would hurt small businesses located around large employers, drain vitality from downtowns and diminish transit use. The requirements would also fall heavily on low-wage workers who typically must report to work to cook, clean, build or serve customers. San Jose and San Francisco both have tech giants — Google and Salesforce — spending billions of dollars to design and develop new campuses with a higher density of homes and apartments near transit. A work-from-home mandate could disrupt those plans, Liccardo said.

"I'm concerned about a parade of unintended consequences," he said. "This undermines the incentives to live near work."

Re:A different way to reduce particulate emissions

By green1 • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

You're forgetting to account for the Tesla parts and labour premium. My Tesla is by far the most expensive vehicle to maintain that I have ever owned. If you've only had it a year, just wait until the warranty runs out!

A windshield costs 4 times what any other car's windshield costs. It goes through tires at twice the rate of other cars. The brakes that they brag last longer because of regenerative braking actually last a shorter time which they explain as being because they aren't used enough. A simple parking brake costs over $1000 and that doesn't even include labour! And let's not even get into the $800 annual service which is only a new keyfob battery, wiper blades, and topping up the washer fluid. And you have no choice but to go to them for all your service because they refuse to sell parts to 3rd parties, and the software (which is needed for EVERYTHING) is locked down so only they can access it.

In my first year out of warranty I've spent nearly $7,000 on maintenance, and I still need to buy tires before the year is out. At the rate that Tesla is "saving me money on gas" I'll go bankrupt!

Re:hahaha what a counter-argument

By Daemonik • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

I believe businesses should let employees have lunch breaks and bathroom breaks. I believe companies should not lock their workers inside their buildings. I believe companies should provide workers with safety equipment and provide a safe workplace. Oh and I believe businesses should pay employees in US currency rather than company script that forces them to shop in company stores at inflated prices. However, I'm very much **against** government telling businesses that they must or must not. That is not the business of government.

See what I did there? BTW, each of those was real, businesses did that, and it took the government intervening to stop them from exploiting their workers. Laissez-faire business practices are rarely fair to the workers.

Re:Yep. This. So much This.

By Daemonik • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

Until you've bored as deep as you can and all that water was sucked out for fracking because it's a shared resource that was mismanaged, and now you live in a sinking dust bowl as your land slowly collapses to fill the void where the water used to be...

A far better solution

By blitz487 • Score: 3 • Thread
is to change zoning to intermingle business campuses with high rise apartments, so walking to work is easy.

Re:A different way to reduce particulate emissions

By JaredOfEuropa • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread
A lot of car brands overcharge for spare parts when they can get away with it. But with most cars there's a lot of aftermarket alternatives, and many of the parts are common and shared between cars. But when they aren't... €550 for a master brake cylinder that's specific to Porsche, it's not an extravagant or complex part, just one for which there's no aftermarket equivalent. For comparable cylinders with alternatives on the market they charge €250. Volvo wanted to charge me €350 for a hydraulic line (sold by the pair) for a folding roof (in this case: hurray for the junkyard that gave me a line for free). €850 for a single headlight unit replacement (no aftermarket for this part). Mercedes charging €110 for a simple microswitch in a "special" plastic housing (hurray for the 3d printer).

The problem with Tesla is that their cars are filled to the brim with unique parts. Most Tesla owners I know don't bother with the Tesla service station, they go elsewhere (doesn't void the warranty here). And they are charged half the price for the same tyres, brakes and fluids. The most common issue is that a lot of the independent tyre centers don't have the right settings for wheel alignment on Teslas yet (and that contributes to excessive wear), but that's changing. The concensus amongst owners seems to be that Teslas are way cheaper to maintain than ICE cars... until a Tesla-specific part breaks.

Google/EdX Are Charging $298 For Their Remake of a Free 2012 How-to-Google Course

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Long-time Slashdot reader theodp writes: After near death, MOOCs are booming during the coronavirus pandemic, reported the NY Times in May. That news apparently wasn't lost on Google and EdX, who on Thursday announced they've teamed up and are asking $298 (temporarily reduced to $268.20!) for Google's Power Searching with Google XSeries Program (learn "how to create an effective search query to yield the most relevant results").

In case that seems familiar to some, Google offered a free 5-hour online course called Power Searching with Google with the same instructor way back in 2012 (followed by the free Advanced Power Searching with Google in 2013). But before dismissing the new program as tone-deaf pandemic price gouging, check out the $0 course audit option for yourself or your kids.

The instructor for both Power Searching with Google and Advanced Power Searching With Google is Google's Daniel Russell, author of The Joy of Search, who gives students an engaging lesson in how to conduct fast and effective online research. Sure beats card catalog, and Readers' Guide to Periodical Literature searches, kids!

SEO course for users. Google is a pain...

By fustakrakich • Score: 3, Informative • Thread

The way it works now, you need to study a whole new language. I remember the old days when it would just search for stuff that I typed in the box. Now, ad partners have top priority, not just in the "ads" section at the top. Using quotes is worthless now, all sorts of advertising gibberish shows up

Where's the news?

By viperidaenz • Score: 3 • Thread

A company is charging for a course that nobody needs to take. So?
Just because they offered something for free 7 years ago doesn't mean they are required to keep it free forever. It's not like it's just a download you can do in your own time. They're paying the guy to teach the course.

show what an rip off that college / higher ed is!

By Joe_Dragon • Score: 3 • Thread

show what an rip off that college / higher ed is!

How Ransomware Puts Your Hospital At Risk

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nickwinlund77 quotes a New York Times opinion piece: In March, several cybercrime groups rushed to reassure people that they wouldn't target hospitals and other health care facilities during the Covid-19 pandemic. The operators of several prominent strains of ransomware all announced they would not target hospitals, and some of them even promised to decrypt the data of health care organizations for free if one was accidentally infected by their malware. But any cybersecurity strategy that relies on the moral compunctions of criminals is doomed to fail, particularly when it comes to protecting the notoriously vulnerable computer systems of hospitals.

So it's no surprise that Universal Health Services was hit by ransomware late last month, affecting many of its more than 400 health care facilities across the United States and Britain. Or that clinical trials for a Covid-19 vaccine have been held up by a similar ransomware attack disclosed in early October. Or that loose-knit coalitions of volunteers all over the world are working around the clock to try to protect the computer systems of hospitals that are already straining under the demands of providing patient care during a global pandemic.

In the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic, the potential consequences of these cyberattacks are terrifying. Hospitals that have lost access to their databases or had their networks infected by ransomware may not be able to admit patients in need of care or may take longer to provide those patients with the treatment they need, if they switch to relying on paper records...

Every hospital and clinic should be re-evaluating their computer networks right now and ramping up the protections they have in place to prevent their services from being interrupted by malware or their sensitive patient data from being stolen.

Re: This will continue to be a problem

By jabuzz • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

The solution is simpler. Make paying a ransom a criminal offence with a minimum jail term of say 36 months for the whole of board of directors. Get the major western economies to sign up to this, say USA, EU, UK, Canada, Japan and it's game over for the criminals because what's the point if nobody is going to pay out, because paying out is really bad news for the boards freedom that they will never sanction it.

3rd party vendors systems that can't have updates

By Joe_Dragon • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

3rd party vendors systems that can't have updates installed are part of issue as well systems stuck on XP as it may cost $100K-$200K+ per unit to replace an system that is part of XP computer to run it.

As well 3rd party vendors saying we must have remote access to the system from off site.

We are talking about things like x ray medicines, mri medicines, etc where the hospital IT has very little say on there software and they can't put them on Domain / install any management software on them. Or in some cases can't even do windows updates.

Re:Windows puts your hospital at risk

By Sique • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread
So show me the software suite to do accounting, resource planning, appointment schedules, patient databases, general word processing, communication with other institutions, with insurers, with research institutions, with external labs, print out formatted reports for controlling institutions and all the other tedious work for running a hospital, that has a proven record to work, and is operable by the average secretary, doctor and technician alike, and which does not have at least some component running on Windows!

Re: Self-deluded moralising

By eatvegetables • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

Organized crime and nation state actors are behind the vast majority of large scale, sophisticated ransomware attacks. Indiscriminately killing people in hospitals doesn't present them with any moral dilemmas. To the contrary, it provides them with victims who will be highly motivated to pay ransome demands. COVID 19 is just another money making opportunity and any comments they offer are nothing more than public relations hokem.

Re:Windows puts your hospital at risk

By clovis • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

The problem isn't Microsoft Windows.

It is admins that grant full access to everything for themselves and do all their work, email reading, and web surfing while logged on with their admin account.
It is admins who grant full access to people across multiple resources rather than take the trouble to identify and configure the minimum access needed.
It is admins that use the same system account and password across multiple devices and resources that should not even be on the same network much less the same logon domain.
It is admins that never seriously thought about how they would recover from a disaster of any type and had never done a trial run of recovery.
It is an IT that allows data and programs to be spread all over the environment with no idea of what's out there.
It is users that will open every email, open every attachment, and click every link in emails they get.
And ... the management that lets them get away with it.

College President Resigns After 712 Students Test Positive For Covid-19

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CNN reports: The president of the State University of New York at Oneonta has resigned, as the school grapples with hundreds of reported Covid-19 cases within the university since the beginning of the semester... SUNY Oneonta has reported 712 student cases of Covid-19 since residence halls opened on August 17...

The resignation of the sitting president of SUNY Oneonta comes after the university decided not to test students or quarantine them on arrival. Soon after, the University saw an uptick in positive results. By the time leadership tried to take punitive measures against students for disobeying social distancing orders, the virus had spread...

SUNY Oneonta has about 6,700 students enrolled, according to its website.

In an official statement the school's chancellor said the president now wanted to "pursue other opportunities."

But one student told CNN the outbreak was partly the fault of the student body. "I believe that much of the spreading could have been prevented if the students hadn't partied or hadn't gone anywhere without masks on."

Re:Stupidity and ignorance can be deadly

By Morpeth • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

My wife is a physician, and there's a lot of talk among her peers about long term lung and heart issues, even neurological impacts, while there's been some similar viruses, this is novel, we just don't know all the long term impacts yet -- while it's anecdotal, there's been a good number of people who are reporting problems many months after getting 'better'. There's some concern in managed health that we may be looking at a good number of people who may have lifelong chronic problems from COVID, include younger people. So STOP downplaying it, Trump's done that enough already.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/dis...

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.or...

https://www.usatoday.com/story...

Oneonta native / resident here...

By onenienton • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread
Oneonta native / resident here. Yes, there are those attending SUCO - including international students - who are serious about getting their degree, but for many that's just not the case. Sorry Brad, but this is "Stoneonta" - not RIT, Cornell, Stony Brook, etc. They come upstate to attend a blow-out with their parent's manageable consent as long as they get that piece of paper by any means. It is _entirely_ about explosive social freedom and experimentation for them. Imagine Burning Man meets Jackass meets MMA and you'll get the picture. In the 70s and 80s, the city of Oneonta had more bars per capita than any other city in the U.S. - this was not for the natives. Leadership at SUCO had no plan for the student's return.

Re: Yeah, it matters

By hankwang • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

You mean the bodies with an average age of 85 ?

The actual US statistics disagree with you. The median age of Covid-19 deaths is about 78; the mean (which you seem to refer to) is about 75.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/...

90years old is substantially older than any person can expect to live.

In the US, an 85-year-old person has a life expectancy of 91.6 . Someone aged 75 has a life expectancy of 87.3 and has a 36% chance of reaching 90.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/...

Re:Stupidity and ignorance can be deadly

By Barsteward • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread
It's not just a variant of SARS. It's very likely a bioengineered, gain-of-function, potentionally weaponized variant of SARS."

Filed post under "Conspiracy Theory" - Slashdot needs a new category

But it's a party school, google says

By mattr • Score: 3 • Thread

It sounds like a nice school and I am very sad to hear about all of the infected students. The leadership was not realistic though. Just google SUNY oneonta party school. Is it one? Well Niche says [1] it is #4 party school in New York State. That site gives it a B or B- for academics based on its teachers, and an A+ for partying. For "What one word or phrase best describes the typical student at this school?" the answer 57% give is "Long Island party animal" and another 38% answered "Sociable". For the leadership to expect that social distancing rules are enough to protect their students based on what other partying schools (most of them?) have done is unrealistic.
[1] https://www.niche.com/colleges...
[2] https://www.niche.com/colleges...

Tesla Owner: I Butt-Dialed a $4,280 Autopilot Upgrade -- And They Haven't Refunded Me

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CNBC reports: On September 24th, physician Dr. Ali Vaziri was unpleasantly surprised by a mobile alert from his bank, which said he had just purchased a $4,280 upgrade for his Tesla Model 3. The large transaction, he quickly surmised, was a "butt dial" or accidental purchase made through the Tesla app on his iPhone. "My phone was in my jeans," Vaziri told CNBC. "I took it out, put it on this charger that comes with your Tesla and that's it. A minute later? I got the text. I've never purchased anything through the Tesla app before...."

Moments after he received the mobile alert from his bank, Vaziri called his local Tesla store and service center. They couldn't help directly, but gave him the number for a customer service hotline. He called the number, and requested a refund. Instead of processing the doctor's refund request on the spot, the customer service rep told Vaziri to click on the refund button in his Tesla app to process his request. Vaziri informed them there was no such button in the Tesla app, just some text and a link to the refund policy. An e-mail he received from Tesla confirming the unauthorized purchase contained only vague information about a refund, and no buttons to click or links to a page where he could process a refund request either. The email, which Vaziri shared with CNBC, drove him to Tesla's support web site, which in turn told him to call his local service center.

To this date, Vaziri says, Tesla customer service has not provided him with a refund, nor has the call center provided him with so much as a confirmation number or e-mail to acknowledge his calls about the refund. Instead, he processed a stop payment request through his credit card company.

Re:Typical Tesla problems

By aardvarkjoe • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

Then they told me that my $100 deposit could not be credited as it was non-refundable - despite the fact that they messed up somewhere

Yes. That is called "stealing". The fact that they only stole $100 from you is relevant. This is why you don't do business with thieves.

Re: I dunno...

By BarbaraHudson • Score: 5, Funny • Thread
The Tesla app was on autopilot when it made the purchase.

Re:I dunno...

By Anubis IV • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

Nope, the iPhone power button. A double-tap of it is used during purchases specifically because it’s something you can’t do easily by accident. A single click will turn the phone off, but a rapid double-tap registers differently. Older phones with TouchID used a long press on the home button for the same purpose.

Re: I dunno...

By BarbaraHudson • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

So why isn't Apple enforcing the 30% for all in-app purchases made via the app, same as they do for everyone else?

Why is everyone obsessed with the butt dial angle?

By ZackSchil • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

It doesn't matter at all if this guy legitimately "butt dialed" the purchase or not. It could be an accident, it could be a deliberate purchase with buyers remorse, or it could be a technical glitch. It could be anything. It doesn't matter. We don't live in a world where the default condition is that all sales are final. If a purchase can be undone, and it wasn't made under clear, non-refundable conditions (of which Tesla has an official refund policy), then the customer is owed a refund if they would like one!

This is a story about a person who wants a refund on a purchase, and seemingly cannot get one because the company in question has extraordinarily poor customer support. That's all. The rest is a circus and apparently there are a lot of clowns here.

*dons clown nose* and honestly, if I had to guess, I'd say this was not a butt dial but a fat-finger by a service center employee. Service centers can order these upgrades on the back end, and it seems like, from what is shown in the customer's app and they way Tesla so confused, that this is what happened. If the upgrade were purchased via the app, it would be refundable there. Service center upgrades send a push notification but cannot be undone by the app. Most likely someone ordered an upgrade at a service center and the service center employee opened the wrong account and clicked the button. It auto charged to the payment method of file for the account (used for super charging, so most accounts have one) and here we are.

US Antitrust Regulators Could Target Google's Chrome Browser For Breakup

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Slashdot reader alternative_right shares a report from Politico: Justice Department and state prosecutors investigating Google for alleged antitrust violations are considering whether to force the company to sell its dominant Chrome browser and parts of its lucrative advertising business, three people with knowledge of the discussions said...

The conversations — amid preparations for an antitrust legal battle that the Department of Justice is expected to begin in the coming weeks — could pave the way for the first court-ordered break-up of a U.S. company in decades. The forced sales would also represent major setbacks for Google, which uses its control of the world's most popular web browser to aid the search engine that is the key to its fortunes.

Discussions about how to resolve Google's control over the $162.3 billion global market for digital advertising remain ongoing, and no final decisions have been made, the people cautioned, speaking anonymously to discuss confidential discussions. But prosecutors have asked advertising technology experts, industry rivals and media publishers for potential steps to weaken Google's grip... A major antitrust report that the House Judiciary Committee released this week found that Chrome's market share allows Google to "effectively set standards for the industry," an issue of particular relevance as Chrome phases out cookies. "Google's ad-based business model can prompt questions about whether the standards Google chooses to introduce are ultimately designed primarily to serve Google's interests," the House report said. "Market participants are concerned that while Google phases out third-party cookies needed by other digital advertising companies, Google can still rely on data collected throughout its ecosystem."

Friday Politico reported the antitrust suit against Google is likely to be filed "early next week, but without the sign-on of any Democratic attorneys general, four people familiar with the case said Friday — upending the Trump administration's hopes to enlist bipartisan support for its fight against the internet giant..."

Instead a bipartisan group of states "expects to file an antitrust complaint challenging Google's search practices at a later date, the people said. That group, led by Democratic attorneys general in Colorado and Iowa along with Nebraska's Republican attorney general, has expressed concern about what they view as the Justice Department's narrow approach to the case, the people said. Filing a separate suit would allow more leverage if the Department of Justice negotiates a settlement with Google they don't like, they said."

Re:Let's be clear

By Kisai • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

I doubt that's the goal.

It's more likely that regulators want Google to divest itself of involvement with Chrome. Given how many things are using the Chrome Embedded Framework, NW.JS, Cordova, Electron, Edge and Opera, that puts Chrome and it's underlying source code as a dependency in far more things than "MSIE" was in. Nevermind things like SmartTV's and Android phones that ship a version of it.

So Google might still be able to build Chrome, but Google must spin off the group that develops Chrome, Chromium to an independent company in the same way Mozilla is.

As for advertising, Google certainly has too much power here, and is actively destroying the internet by being the "default" place people go to advertise, and favoring itself for ad space. Like no company that I'm aware of likes Google in this space because what goes for $2.00CPM on any other ad network, barely gets pennies for the same traffic. Google ends up being at advertiser of last resort because you need large amounts of traffic to get better advertisement networks, but better networks won't even care about your traffic unless you're a top-100 site. So you have to deal with resellers, which tend to slip in garbage traffic to benefit themselves as well.

Re:Good.

By Kisai • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

Chrome and Firefox have been breaking standards since 2016 by not supporting HTTP/2's entire spec on purpose. Chrome supports a "http/3" which they wrote themselves.

Like the browsers should not be dictating what a web site is required to run on. SSL-everywhere is a fine, but it comes at costs that have largely made "free hosting" impossible, and consolidated power into SSL-termination services like Cloudflare, as people just want to build websites, not web servers.

So by making SSL a requirement to not make the browser not show scare messages, even on sites that have no content that needs to be secure (like free content that you don't sign into), the costs to do the free hosting are substantially increased, and consolidation occurs because 100 people producing the same category of content don't want to pay 100 times for a service that they can share. SSL makes that incredibly hard to share since every site needs cert, and that's an additional cost to each site, and "free certs" are super difficult to deploy as the scripts that support it aren't stand-alone and rely on libraries and scripting languages that make it a pain in the ass.

People just want to go to their host and upload their content, they don't want to be forced to use Chrome, they don't want to be forced to use the hosting providers SSL cert provider (and if they didn't get it from the host, they have to do even more manual efforts) and since certs expire the website will explode at some point if the owner of the site doesn't understand how to update it. So if that cert is also used to login to the site's administrative controls, now they can't access the site to fix it either.

Like I can't illustrate how big of a quagmire Chrome and Firefox created for businesses to create their own websites, it's a mess, and it's not getting better.

Another feature that Chrome and Firefox pushed on users that should have not been a default is WASM, which is mostly used for malware.

Re:Good.

By swillden • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

what that does in reality is dilute security awareness, how many people actually pay attention to WHO signed their certificate now or to whom it's assigned?

Approximately no one does -- and approximately no one ever did. Making TLS the norm didn't change that.

Do I really need SSL encryption to read the morning news, or to check the weather report, or watch youtube, or to browse slashdot?

Yes, you do. Not because you need to hide what you're reading/seeing, but because you'd like to be sure that the code downloaded to your web browser is what was sent by the site you're connecting to -- and that you're actually connecting to the site you think you are. TLS does encryption, but that's almost irrelevant for most usage. The really important thing that it provides is authentication and integrity.

And, yes, you do need that to read the morning news, etc., because you don't want anyone sitting between you and the news site to inject malware that will exploit vulnerabilities in your browser.

Re:Let's be clear

By jonsmirl • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

And who is going to take this large, non-revenue generating group of engineers? If you make the Chrome group independent, who pays their salaries? That is the same problem Mozilla is having, who pays the salaries?

That headline

By istartedi • Score: 3 • Thread

Break up a browser?

Google: You're going to have to download our custom TCP/IP stack and JavaScript engine separately to make this work.

Customer: Engine? TCP/IP stack? Do I need to start my car? Should I pour syrup on my computer?

Google: Yes.

Home-Made Covid Vaccine Appeared to Work, but Questions Remained

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"Josiah Zayner's plan was simple: replicate a Covid-19 vaccine that had worked in monkeys, test it on himself and then livestream the experiment online over a period of months," reports Bloomberg.

"Zayner discovered, testing a vaccine is far more complicated than he had imagined." Even though his experiment yielded a promising result, Zayner found too many unanswered questions to say that it worked. For one, it wasn't clear whether antibodies he found in his own body in extremely tiny measures before the experiment began made a difference... As the U.S. rushes to bring a vaccine to market far faster than has ever been done, Zayner said he has discovered why the long, slow process of clinical trials shouldn't be rushed. A promising early stage result is just that: promising...

Initially, Zayner assumed that the experiment he named Project McAfee, after the antiviral software, would be relatively straightforward. The vaccine selected had triggered protective immunity against the virus in rhesus macaque monkeys in a paper published in May. Zayner was able to order the same spike protein sequence from the DNA-synthesis company the researchers had used. The plan: He and two fellow biohackers — Daria Dantseva in Ukraine and David Ishee in Mississippi — would themselves test the concoction they ordered online. They would then livestream the entire process online over several months, with the first showing to occur in June.

But early on in the experiment, complications arose. Before starting, Zayner took a test at Lab Corp Inc. that told him he didn't already have antibodies to the virus. But when he performed a similar test on himself shortly afterward, he found that he did have some antibodies, just not enough to produce a positive result on Lab Corp's test. While those antibodies didn't appear to be the neutralizing type, he wondered whether the result came because the vaccine was picking up signals from antibodies to a different virus — or how this faint antibody signal might affect things. "I'm very suspicious of my own data," he said.

He's not alone. Hank Greely, a bioethicist at Stanford University, said Zayner's experiment pointed out an underappreciated reality of vaccine development. "Actually making the vaccine isn't that hard," he said. "It's testing it and knowing that it's safe — and knowing that it's effective...." Zayner's next project will focus on showing people how to grow chicken cells to make their own fake meat. With vaccines, Zayner concluded, "Large scale clinical trials are probably required, because it is so messy."

Making a vaccine is easy

By UnknowingFool • Score: 3 • Thread
Testing that it is safe and effective has always been the challenge of vaccines. Ask anyone who has been working on the HIV vaccine for two decades.

Re:Making a vaccine is easy

By timeOday • Score: 4 • Thread
If it's not effective - i.e. it doesn't vaccinate - is it actually a vaccine?

It's like saying "creating a room-temperature superconductor is easy - it's making it work that's hard."

I can't wait for this guy's Udemy course

By wyattstorch516 • Score: 3 • Thread
"How to Create and Cure Your Own Super Virus at Home" by Josiah Zayner. I bet he gets five stars.

Any vaccine is better than no vaccine...

By ctilsie242 • Score: 3 • Thread

Between other nations considering a vaccine as a strategic military advantage (China is vaccinating their people, Russia is doing the same), and Big Pharma in the US, the chance that the average US resident/citizen receiving a vaccine in the next few years is pretty slim.

Biohacking like this is pretty much the only thing we have, next to actually getting exposed to live COVID, just because the days of heroes like Salk, Fleming and other greats who put public health over profits are far behind us, and there are both military and corporate interests that profit from Americans not being vaccinated. Next to those two methods, the only real alternative is to sneak into another country and get vaccinated there.

No, a vaccine is not perfect, and safety is a critical thing, but for the people here in the US, that stuff is pretty much our only option.

Double-check Lab Corp results?

By RogueWarrior65 • Score: 3 • Thread

Food for thought: the false positive result rate for a covid test is around 5%. So if you tested the entire country, you'd wind up with about 15 million people thinking they have the virus when they don't.

A Chicken Nugget Was Just Launched Into Space

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A British supermarket celebrated its 50th anniversary by playing with its food — specifically, one lucky piece of breaded protein: The grocery store chain hired Sent Into Space to launch the chicken nugget into space. According to its website, Sent Into Space is the "world's leading space marketing company, specialising in space-themed marketing campaigns and publicity stunts."

"From a site in rural Wales, the nugget traveled through the Earth's atmosphere to an altitude of 110,000 feet (that's 33.5 km) where it floated in the region known as Near Space," Sent Into Space wrote in a statement on its website. That would be 20.7 miles. The nugget spent an hour "floating" in space in low pressure and temperatures that can drop to -65 degrees Celsius, according to Sent Into Space... The nugget was launched near the company's headquarters in Wales in a gas-filled weather balloon with an auxiliary satellite tracking system and integrated camera support. The Irish News reported that the nugget descended at 200 mph, with a parachute deploying around 62,000 feet for the nugget's protection.

Sorry, no.

By Aighearach • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

Weather balloons don't reach space.

Nothing that floats within the atmosphere has any chance to reach space without attaching a rocket.

Sorry morons.

Nope.

By jddj • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

No Karman line, that nugget doesn't get it's space pin.

Trump Scrambles To Loosen America's Biometric Data and Gig Worker Regulations

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"Facing the prospect that President Trump could lose his re-election bid, his cabinet is scrambling to enact regulatory changes affecting millions of Americans in a blitz so rushed it may leave some changes vulnerable to court challenges," reports the New York Times: The effort is evident in a broad range of federal agencies and encompasses proposals like easing limits on how many hours some truckers can spend behind the wheel, giving the government more freedom to collect biometric data and setting federal standards for when workers can be classified as independent contractors rather than employees. In the bid to lock in new rules before Jan. 20, Mr. Trump's team is limiting or sidestepping requirements for public comment on some of the changes and swatting aside critics who say the administration has failed to carry out sufficiently rigorous analysis. Some cases, like a new rule to allow railroads to move highly flammable liquefied natural gas on freight trains, have led to warnings of public safety threats...

If Democrats take control of Congress, they will have the power to reconsider some of these last-minute regulations, through a law last used at the start of Mr. Trump's tenure by Republicans to repeal certain rules enacted at the end of the Obama administration. But the Trump administration is also working to fill key vacancies on scientific advisory boards with members who will hold their seats far into the next presidential term, committees that play an important role in shaping federal rule making...

The Homeland Security Department is also moving, again with an unusually short 30-day comment period, to adopt a rule that will allow it to collect much more extensive biometric data from individuals applying for citizenship, including voice, iris and facial recognition scans, instead of just the traditional fingerprint scan. The measure, which the agency said was needed to curb fraud, would also allow it for the first time to collect DNA or DNA test results to verify a relationship between an application for citizenship and someone already in the United States.

Re:Can be easily unwound

By JustAnotherOldGuy • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

the fact that you can't think of anything specific that affects you, other than a general feeling that you don't like the guy

I've known people that died from COVID19 due to Trump's total bungling of the pandemic response.

Is that specific enough, or are you now going to argue that he wasn't really to blame for any of that? Was he responsible, as he says below?

"Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible."
Donald J. Trump
11:01 AM Nov 8, 2013

Who are Trump's munchkins and flying monkeys?

By shanen • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

I think that the AC you replied to is one of Trump's paid munchkins. It's possible he is sincerely stupid or proudly ignorant or just a vicious twit, but I prefer to think he's merely paid to fake it. I even speculate that the professional trolls get bonus payments for replies like yours. On that polite theory, he could be "redeemed" if the other side paid him more. But why did you propagate his infantile Subject?

In contrast to the munchkin, I think this story is about the more dangerous flying monkeys of Trump. Somewhat more intelligent and sometimes even semi-autonomous. For that reason I regret that GOT = Gang Of Trump never caught on. Headlines are always constrained by space, and accuracy often suffers. Trump has no idea what is going on in any of the agencies that he is technically responsible for. An accurate headline might be "Trump's minions race election to screw America", but the short and ultimate clickbait headline might be "GOT Races to Screw You Some More" or even "GOT Phucks You Again".

"I don't take responsibility at all" is Trump's motto and should be on his tombstone. But it's insufficient to describe his inability to take responsibility because Trump is a simpleminded dunce. It's also insufficient to describe Trump's inability to take responsibility because no one can believe his orders have any meaning and are often illegal. Plus Trump may reverse-tweet those orders in 10 minutes.

So back to the flying monkeys who are the actual actors in this story. The key question there is "loyalty or money?" Those are the two paths to becoming a flying monkey for Trump. I actually think the loyalty-driven flying monkeys are more vicious (and definitely hurl more feces), but they are relatively harmless because they tend to share Trump's incompetence. In contrast, some of the money-driven flying monkeys are quite cunning and infinitely greedy. I see I omitted the religious nutjob flying monkeys... Can they be shoehorned into "loyalty", though it's insane loyalty to their imaginary gawds rather than to Trump?

The previous peak of deficit spending was to clean up Dubya's mess, but Trump has created a YUGE new deficit peak, and we haven't even started to clean up his mess. But all Trump is concerned about is how he's going to steal the half billion bucks he needs in the next year or two.

I hate even to refer to the AC munchkin's Subject, but Trump has cursed America "far above [gawd's] poor power to add or detract". Apologies to Honest Abe. RIP GOP. Sacrilege, yes? Trump, no!

So I've already voted, for what little that's worth. About 10^-8? I think you have to be insane (or paid) to be supporting Trump at this point, but if you are sane, then I hope you'll remember to vote. (And if you are selling your vote, then I hope you do it in an illegal way and get caught.)

Re:They're plenty willing to vote Biden

By stabiesoft • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread
I agree TX is trying, but Abbott made one big booboo. He extended early voting by a week. I've already voted. Between 5 and 6% have voted each day so far (20%) and there are 14 more days to go or possibly as much as 90% of a very blue county may vote before election day. In 2016 63% of the county voted (early and on the day). Registration is also at an all time high of 96% this go round. I'm not saying it is a done deal, but I think the republicans have reason to be very concerned. And I think as it should be. The republicans have gone along with a mad man, and they need to be punished in a way they will not forget. Like having enough senate losses for a 60/40 senate. Something that is going to sting for a very long time. I'd compare that to stormy smacking donnie on the but to get him to behave.

How do you frame that?

By VeryFluffyBunny • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

Interesting how the article frames those changes:

easing limits on how many hours some truckers can spend behind the wheel

= Reducing road safety measures & putting truck drivers & other road users at greater risk of accidents

giving the government more freedom to collect biometric data

= Increasing government mass surveillance & profiling of US citizens (& probably reducing accountability, transparency, & rights to oversight & legal redress)

setting federal standards for when workers can be classified as independent contractors rather than employees.

= effectively gutting decades of hard-won* legal protections & workers rights so that corporations can cut labour costs & place even greater burdens on the government to deal with the effects of poverty, stress, & sickness that 'gig workers' typically suffer from

* i.e. American workers fought & died at the hands of corporate-hired private militias with government collusion & support.

Re:Can be easily unwound

By ShanghaiBill • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

If the general population cared about the harm Trump has done ...

Do you know any Trump supporters?

Do you talk to them?

If you have, you would know that they don't see "harm". Trump's signature issue in 2016 was immigration. Immigration has significantly declined since he was elected. He promised to get tough with China. He has. He promised to reduce taxes. He did. He promised to appoint conservatives to the Supreme Court. He has reshaped the court for the next 30 years.

He has kept his promises far better than most politicians.

You may not like those things, but his supporters do, and those are the reasons that they voted for him.

The biggest "bad" thing that has happened is Covid. That isn't Trump's fault, but his detractors say he made it worse by not taking charge and using his expertise as an ex-reality TV star to tell the medical establishment how to do their job. His supporters don't see it that way.

Sweden's New Car Carrier Is the World's Largest Wind-Powered Vessel

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An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNN: Oceanbird might look like a ship of the future, but it harks back to ancient maritime history -- because it's powered by the wind. The transatlantic car carrier is being designed by Wallenius Marine, a Swedish shipbuilder, with support from the Swedish government and several research institutions. With capacity for 7,000 vehicles, the 650 foot-long vessel is a similar size to conventional car carriers, but it will look radically different. The ship's hull is topped by five telescopic "wing sails," each 260 feet tall. Capable of rotating 360 degrees without touching each other, the sails can be retracted to 195 feet in order to clear bridges or withstand rough weather.

The sails, which will be made of steel and composite materials, need to be this size to generate enough propulsive power for the 35,000-ton ship. Although "the general principles of solid wing sails is not new," designing the Oceanbird's sails has been a challenge, says Mikael Razola, a naval architect and research project manager for Oceanbird at Wallenius Marine. That's because these are the tallest ship sails that have ever been constructed. "This ship, at the top of the mast, will be more than 100 meters (328 feet) above the water surface," says Razola. "When you move up into the sky that much, wind direction and velocity change quite a lot."
Oceanbird has a projected top speed of about 10 knots and will take around 12 days to cross the Atlantic. While that's considerably slower than standard car carriers, which can travel at 17 knots, the Oceanbird will emit 90% less CO2 than conventional car carriers.

Razola says their plan is "to see Oceanbird sailing in 2024."

Not "IS"

By Mr. Dollar Ton • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

"Will be."

Have it built and working, and announce it then.

Re:Nice try, Sweden.

By rmdingler • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

You do what you can.

It's easy to despise folks who throw trash out on the roadside, but just because a number of people continue to litter doesn't mean there is no value in disposing of your own trash properly.

Every good thing you do matters, no matter how small.

Re:Nice try, Sweden.

By Rei • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

Time is, however, unfortunately money. If you add an extra 5 days to transit, that's an extra 5/365,24ths of a company's annual revenue on said given route that is tied up in inventory on that route, e.g. an increased delay between accounts receivable and accounts payable.

So take, say, a company focused 100% on selling products across the Atlantic (for simplicity) with $1B annual revenue and $50M annual profits - said company might be worth, say, $500M. It needs to come up with an extra $14M to pay for its extra in-transit inventory. If done through a capital raise, the company would have to dilute by about 3% to pay for this. The effect is meaningful for steady-state companies but it's worst for rapidly-growing companies, as the amount of inventory in transit will continue to grow over time, ahead of revenue. You open a new factory and it starts churning out thousands of widgets to send, you immediately get hit by the added inventory costs; it's like an extra capital cost atop building your new factory.

The other issue is that it's not just a company's inventory that you're tying up in transit - you're tying up the ship itself in transit. It achieves fewer trips per year, which means that amortizing its capital costs must be done on less revenue per year, meaning it must charge a larger share of its amortized capital costs per year to customers. And its capital costs with this new design are already going to be very, very high.

This doesn't mean that it's the wrong decision, of course; one has to run a full analysis, and fuel savings can be a big deal. But in general, companies (both producers and transport companies) try to minimize transit times, for good reasons.

Re:How about dollars

By lrichardson • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

There is a *slow* change to replace diesel with electric for port maneuvering. A number of factors involved, in which 'environmental concerns' is on the list ... somewhere close to the bottom. Safety is one - diesel fuel itself is a bit a hazard. Size and weight are there, too, although that is a bit of a wash at the moment. And reliability - yep, maritime diesel is a mature tech - and yep, the number of times the thrusters cut out because of fuel issues (clog, or simply running out) is not insignificant (as in, a couple of cases per year).

And there's always $$$. A few solar panels, a long trip ... batteries are fully charged for use at the destination. No need to buy fuel. It's a simple equation - how long is the payback for electric, vs diesel? If it's under two years, then most companies would use it.

Re:Nice try, Sweden.

By fahrbot-bot • Score: 4, Funny • Thread

Sweden might win this one anyway. If it's cheaper to run and if they have the patents and experience everyone else will be playing catch up.

Not too hard at the speed this thing sails. :-)

New Benchmark Shows iPhones Throttle So Hard They Lose Their Edge Over Android

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MojoKid writes: Apple has repeatedly asserted its dominance in terms of performance versus competitive mobile platforms. And it has been historically true that, in cross-platform benchmarks, iPhones generally can beat out Android phones in both CPU and GPU (graphics) performance. However, a new benchmark recently released from trusted benchmark suite developer UL Benchmarks sheds light on what could be the iPhone's Achilles' Heel in terms of performance, or more specifically, performance over extended duration.

The new benchmark, 3DMark WildLife, employs Apple's Metal API for rendering and Vulkan on Android devices. In testing at HotHardware, for basic single-run tests, again iPhones trounce anything Android, including flagship devices like the Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra, ASUS ROG Phone 3 and OnePlus 8. However, in the extended duration WildLife Stress Test, which loops the single test over and over for 20 minutes, the current flagship iPhone 11 Pro and A13 Bionic's performance craters essentially to Snapdragon 865/865+ performance levels, while Android phones like the OnePlus 8 maintain 99+% of their performance. Though this is just one gaming benchmark test that employs the latest graphics technologies and APIs, it's interesting to see that perhaps Apple's focus on tuning for quick bursty workloads (and maybe benchmark optimization too?) falls flat if the current class of top-end iPhone is pushed continuously.

Re:Misleading title

By _xeno_ • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

It's misleading, but not for the reasons you think it is. It applies specifically to GPU performance. Apparently the iPhone will start to throttle the GPU very quickly after it reaches max performance. (It's unclear how long until it throttles by their chart because it measures in "loops" and it basically halves after the first loop.)

Which is weird, because it's not like a GPU will typically need "burst performance" for any reason. Either you're doing a task that requires a lot of GPU and will continue to (like a game) or you're not. (Remember that the iPhone has special ML and image processing co-processors, the GPU in the iPhone is pretty much just for flinging pixels at the screen.)

It is worth mentioning that this might not practically matter for gaming, as the test involved essentially uncapped the framerate to run as fast as it could. Normal games probably won't run into that limit.

But it does really sound like Apple is basically "cooking" their benchmarks by allowing their GPUs to run really fast for the duration of a benchmark and then heavily throttling them after that.

iphone throttled still faster than android

By agent_blue • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

The article only showed one test results from a oneplus8, and it showed that the slowest iphone loop was still faster than the fastest loop from the oneplus8.

According to the article, The edges goes to iphone since even at its slowest, its faster than android, and at its fastest, its way faster than android. Would like to see more comprehensive tests though.

Re: What edge?

By Roadmaster • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

Not true. An iPhone ringtone is just an .m4a file renamed to .m4r and it can be uploaded from an computer running a compatible version of iTunes. I encode the audio on Linux and upload to phone using iTunes running on a Windows VM on the same Linux host.

Re:Misleading title

By drinkypoo • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

What percentage of people play games with the performance equivalence of stress tests on their iPhones? None in my family.

If it's a CPU/GPU-bound game and not IO-bound then it's the performance equivalent of a stress test already. Lots of people play complex 3d games on phones. Remember all those stories about Apple and Epic? Those weren't about a sliding tile game, or sudoku.

Re: Did you try using the middle mouse button?

By wierd_w • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

I don't know about the guy who can't easily get ringtones on--

I do not own apple products. (I openly admit my prejudice. If other people want that crap, that is on them, but I do not like, love, nor really want anything to do with apple products. I do not approve of the direction they are trying to push computing-- which is away from the end user's control, and more toward a "Mother knows best" approach, complete with duct tape and mittens. Their products practically come with a complimentary plastic bubble.)

That said, I have had to fix/do tech stuff/assist co-workers that own them.

Here's a fun story:

A co-worker needed to get a series of text messages (that were harassing/had criminal intent behind them) out of their iphone, in order to provide them to their attorney.

I *WAS* ultimately successful. After 5 hours or work, including dredging up countless forum posts, and even trying to search fucking Reddit, looking for free tools.

Why? Because the **ONLY** way to get the text messages out of the damn phone, is to do an iTunes whole phone backup-- THEN-- Use a BUYWARE APP, DESIGNED FOR MAC, to strip out the text messages from the whole phone backup image iTunes creates-- and I'll be mother fucking god-dammed, if I am going to set up a mac virtual machine, *AND SPEND MONEY*, on something that is doable with fucking ADB on android.

(Seriously, I can do an ADB Pull on the text message database file, and then do whatever the fuck I want with it, with free tools, because it is just a SQL database file. Doesn't cost a dime.)

What I wound up doing, was use the trial version of the buyware app, after finding a "We dont really recommend it, but we also have a crippled windows version" on their website, then skating around their "We only let you extract a tiny number of messages, because this is a trial!!" bullshit, and then assembling the conversation she needed for her attorney by hand.

Every time I have needed to do anything even remotely technical to an iPhone, I have run into endless barriers of "SPEND MONEY! DO IT NAOW!", which is just plain bullshit.

Never been happier I do not own an iPhone.

Japan Decides To Release Treated Fukushima Water Into the Sea

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hcs_$reboot shares a report from CBS News: Japan will release more than a million tons of treated radioactive water from the stricken Fukushima nuclear plant into the sea in a decades-long operation, reports said Friday, despite strong opposition from environmentalists, local fishermen and farmers. The release of the water, which has been filtered to reduce radioactivity, is likely to start in 2022 at the earliest. The decision ends years of debate over how to dispose of the liquid that includes water used to cool the power station after it was hit by a massive tsunami in 2011. A government panel said earlier this year that releasing the water into the sea or evaporating it were both "realistic options." The treated water is currently kept in a thousand huge tanks at the Fukushima Daiichi site, where reactors went into meltdown nearly a decade ago after the earthquake-triggered tsunami. Plant operator TEPCO is building more tanks, but all will be full by mid-2022.

Tritium

By Roger W Moore • Score: 5, Informative • Thread
Apparently, the contamination is from tritium (Hydrogen-3) which they cannot remove easily because it is chemically just hydrogen which you get a lot of in water. It has a half-life of 12 years and they claim the process will take 30 years to dump so by the end only about a 7th of it will remain.

The problem with tritium is that while outside our bodies it is relatively harmless (the beta particles it produces are very low energy and cannot penetrate skin) it can replace hydrogen in our bodies because it is a hydrogen isotope and there it can do a lot more damage. The good news is that since it is just hydrogen it should not end up naturally concentrating anywhere e.g. like some fish can concentrate heavy metals from sea water etc. because hydrogen is everywhere.

Provided Japan has made sure the rate of release is slow enough and diluted enough it should be pretty safe and the biggest danger will be where the tritium is most concentrated i.e. on the Japanese coast.

Re:I'm seeing the New York Post headline now...

By ShanghaiBill • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

Most of the radiation is from tritium. Tritium does not bioaccumulate. Tritium decays to Helium-3 via beta emission at only about 6 kv. The "radiation" is stopped by a tenth of mm of seawater.

This shouldn't even be controversial.

Dump it into the sea.

At least

By hcs_$reboot • Score: 3 • Thread
you can also see the fishes during the night

Why not concentrate tritium instead of dilluting?

By istartedi • Score: 3 • Thread

Free glowing key-chains and exit signs for everybody!

If the T2O is concentrated enough to use in those applications, it's actually marketable. If it isn't, it's not very dangerous.

Re:The solution to pollution

By thegarbz • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

In the case of pollution which naturally disappears, yes, absolutely.