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What If the Government Ran a Social Network?

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A publicly-funded social network run by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation " has been proposed as one possible response if Facebook and Google limit services in Australia when the mandatory news code becomes law this year," reports the Guardian: Facebook has warned it will block Australians from sharing news if the landmark plan to make digital platforms pay for news content becomes law. Google has been running a public campaign against the code and launched an international campaign targeting YouTube users when the government announced it would force the company to pay news publishers for content... The proposal for a platform hosted by the ABC is among a raft of risk mitigation proposals in a report commissioned by the Centre for Responsible Technology, "Tech-Xit: Can Australia survive without Google and Facebook?"

The proposed platform would connect the community without harvesting data in the way Google and Facebook do, and could rely on the wide reach of the ABC across local, regional and national communities, as well as the trust the invested in the institution by the public. "An ABC platform which engages the community, allows for a genuine exchange and influence on decision making, and applying principles of independent journalism and storytelling would provide real value to local communities starved of civic engagement," the report says. "[We should] develop viable alternatives to Google and Facebook, such as national online social platform hosted through the ABC..."

The report argues the arrival of the mandatory news code is a chance to push back against the profit or surveillance imperative of the tech giants and look for alternatives. "Google and Facebook's response to the ACCC mandatory news code has placed in stark relief our national over-reliance on them," the director of the Australia Institute's Centre for Responsible Technology, Peter Lewis, said. "This analysis shows that two global corporations that play a dominant role in our civic and commercial institutions are prepared to threaten to withdraw those services to protect their own commercial self-interest."

Open standards and federation

By Bert64 • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

If the australian (or any other) government creates their own social media site, it will end up being local, restrictive, and never updated etc...

What's needed is instead of centralised sites, an open standard allowing federation between multiple sites. Then the government or any interested parties in australia can create their own sites, while still allowing users to communicate with their friends on other sites including foreign ones.

You can't rely on the government to run such a site..
But you also can't rely on a commercial entity that locks users into a centralised site...
If multiple entities are competing with each other on a level playing field, that's the only way you're going to see a service that respects its users.

Needs funding well prior to rollout

By Ronin441 • Score: 3 • Thread

The Australian ABC do a good job at news, in a variety of media (not unlike the BBC). So it seems to me that if they had a go at creating a social network, they'd have a similar chance to any other startup, if they got a fair shot at it and it didn't get stuffed up by bureaucracy. Though if you look at all the tech companies that have taken a shot at any given field, the success rate is not high.

But the key problem is that you'd have to give the ABC funding to start developing that social network a year or two before you wanted it in production use.

Re: Nobody needs a social network

By thegarbz • Score: 5, Funny • Thread

Since when are forums social? I always thought it was about attacking each other's ideas

No they aren't! Wait .... Dammit!

Re:Caught myself nodding in approval

By thegarbz • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

The title is misleading because the government gets little say in how the ABC is run beyond providing an annual budget.

Little say, except for deciding completely who is on the board of directors, a role that conveniently changes after each new party comes in power. The ABC is under constant government attack, be it the management positions as determined by the government, the withholding of funding as determined by the government, or the recent push to partially sell them off to Murdoch.

Saying the government has "little say" is woefully ignorant.

Monopolies is the issue

By sinij • Score: 3 • Thread
What is currently happening with social media could be solved by competition if the government enforces its anti-monopoly laws. Take Gab for example - established players managed to smear it as terrorist-sponsoring, almost managed to get it un-hosted, managed to cut its payment providers and advertisers.

Another California City Launches a Two-Year Guaranteed Income Program

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The Los Angeles Times reports a new guaranteed income pilot program which within a few months " will begin giving 800 Compton residents free cash for a two-year period," according to mayor Aja Brown: So far, private donors have contributed $2.5 million to the Fund for Guaranteed Income, a charity headed by Nika Soon-Shiong, daughter of Los Angeles Times owner Patrick Soon-Shiong... Each selected family will receive at least a few hundred dollars on a recurring basis, as well as tools that will help them access financial guidance, Brown said. Parents or other residents caring for dependents may receive more. Anonymous researchers will track the participants' spending and well-being.

Brown said she had been aware of the concept of universal guaranteed income for years, but got to see it in action in February 2019 when Stockton Mayor Michael Tubbs launched the Stockton Economic Empowerment Demonstration, which gave 125 residents $500 a month for 18 months... The concept of giving citizens free money with no strings attached was once a radical idea that has begun gaining traction, partly as a result of the pandemic. Opponents of guaranteed income have argued that extra cash with no strings attached would lead to higher levels of unemployment and that recipients might spend the money on drugs or alcohol or other "temptation goods."

But decades of research has indicated that very few people work less after receiving cash transfers, and those who do use usually spend more with their families, said Halah Ahmad, head of public relations and policy communications for the Jain Family Institute, a nonprofit research firm that helps design guaranteed income pilot programs. In a review of 19 studies on cash transfers between 1997 and 2014 by the World Bank, authors found that "Almost without exception, studies find either no significant impact or a significant negative impact of transfers on temptation goods."

Re:free crack

By IdanceNmyCar • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

Your post is either disingenuous or a gross simplification of economics. The idea that modern economics are like pie is to basically say all economies are purely agrarian...

Moreover, UBI doesn't try to make the second variable equal among all members. UBI is a split approach between a level of socialism and capitalism where all citizens are guaranteed a certain amount income which should be enough for basic substance. Of course people want more and so many of those people would partake in traditional labor. These people may make a little less under this system but if they took a second, they would realize they have actual social security which is that no matter what happens to their job, they are still provided a "basic income". Likewise many environments would feel much better and likely be safer -- for instance areas with unemployed. As companies move to greater automation, UBI is the means by which capitalists "pay forward" the hard labor of the working class which has built up a given nation. This in turn avoids mass unemployment which is essentially what precedes events of large social unrest.

Now as for the pie. Well the gist of the idea is that when people have free-time they will eventually find something to produce with it. This in turn means the economy actually grows thought the sectors of growth are normally more in the arts. However producing arts is important and periods in time like the renaissance are full of art. What else is the renaissance full of -- inventions. Funny enough if you go search for some TED talks you will find some on how useful boredom is. The problem is that there is the conclusion that "busyness equals business" but that's not true at all. Just because you are keeping everyone busy with a 40-hour job doesn't mean a lot is being produced and if you want to keep everyone busy you probably are going to just have to start making up meaningless work. Likewise capitalism actually is fueled by unemployment. Having an unemployed workforce in any area keeps the wages down because they can take the job at a cheaper rate. The trick is balancing this number of unemployed which is where UBI fits the bill, by providing these people with the security to be unemployed but if subject experts, they still will be interested in taking a decent wage for their area of expertise.

I agree with some of your points like education reform and while I agree some about capital investment I think there is a blatant mistake in your conclusion which is that we are debt-based economy and not all individuals start with the same initial capital. As such those with larger capital to start with often have more opportunities presented to them despite education or fiscal ability. Just consider Trump and how many bankruptcies he has filed. Do you think it's wise to take financial advise from Trump? Many more examples of this could be given but frankly these one trumps them all...

As for the pie and equal wages to all -- there is a lot you seem to be missing or misrepresenting.


It's private money, not gov funds

By eatvegetables • Score: 3 • Thread

"So far, private donors have contributed $2.5 million"

Hey, if it's private money, not a big deal. In my universe, private people can spend their own money in any smart, dumb, legal way they want to.

Certainly, giving people money for nothing isn't the best use of money. You'll get people buying stem cells, mechanical stilts, a hundred cups of coffee, and/or burglar tool sets. However, the occasional goos soul might spend their free money buying food for hobos.

Re:Now scale it up

By quintessencesluglord • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

The GDP of California is 3.2 Trillion and the fifth largest economy in the world.

As such, that would be a little less than 6% of their economy and would actually be one of their cheapest anti-poverty measures. :-)

Re:Now scale it up

By AmiMoJo • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

Also it wouldn't actually cost $185 billion because the tax system could be adjusted to claw 100% of it back from people who don't need it.

Just print it

By PopeRatzo • Score: 3 • Thread

In the past year, the Fed has increased the M2 money supply by $3 TRILLION dollars, and our Federal Government has increased the US budget deficit by another $3 TRILLION (if there is another "stimulus" bill, it will be over $4 TRILLION). Most of that was used to keep stock prices inflated (in the case of the Fed) or to provide tax cuts to rich people. This is over 4x higher than any previous administration.

If the US can spend this kind of money to enrich wealthy people it can goddamn well spend a small fraction of that to make people's lives better.

Three npm Packages Opened Remote-Access Shells on Linux and Windows Systems

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"Three JavaScript packages have been removed from the npm portal on Thursday for containing malicious code," reports ZDNet.

"According to advisories from the npm security team, the three JavaScript libraries opened shells on the computers of developers who imported the packages into their projects." The shells, a technical term used by cyber-security researchers, allowed threat actors to connect remotely to the infected computer and execute malicious operations. The npm security team said the shells could work on both Windows and *nix operating systems, such as Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and others.

All three packages were uploaded on the npm portal in May (first) and September 2018 (last two). Each package had hundreds of downloads since being uploaded on the npm portal. The packages names were:


"Any computer that has this package installed or running should be considered fully compromised. All secrets and keys stored on that computer should be rotated immediately from a different computer," the npm security team said.

Oh come ON

By 93 Escort Wagon • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

”The shells, a technical term used by cyber-security researchers, allowed threat actors to connect remotely to the infected computer and execute malicious operations.“

Gee, thanks for a (very poor) explanation of what a “shell” is.

Seriously, Slashdot?

Dependency Graph

By bill_mcgonigle • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

Hey, npm, nobody is installing those manually.

The responsible thing to do is work your logs and build the reverse dependency graph of what was including them. Admins can act on that and CVE can do its thing.

If none, we can perhaps conclude that npm was 'just' being used as a malware distribution problem. Which is way better.

What's never going to happen is that every time npm discovers a problem every admin everywhere who has some dev who's touched npm is going to scour their systems.

Re:Oh come ON

By DontBeAMoran • Score: 5, Funny • Thread

Oh crap, the three shells have been compromised? Does anyone still have rolls of what is called "toilet paper"?

Stupid Russian Disinformation Campaign Targets Oxford Vaccine

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The Times of London reports that "a Russian disinformation campaign designed to undermine and spread fear about the Oxford University coronavirus vaccine has been exposed by a Times investigation." Pictures, memes and video clips depicting the British-made vaccine as dangerous have been devised in Russia and middlemen are now seeking to "seed" the images on social media networks around the world. The crude theme of the distorted images is that the vaccine, millions of doses of which will be manufactured by the pharmaceutical giant Astrazeneca, could turn people into monkeys because it uses a chimpanzee virus as a vector. The campaign is being targeted at countries where Russia wants to sell its own Sputnik V vaccine, as well as western nations.
CNN points out that this "monkey vaccine" narrative " has been voiced by Russian officials and the state media before."

Zoological error

By rossdee • Score: 3 • Thread

Chimpanzees are not monkeys.

In fact chimps are closer related to humans than they are to monkeys..
(although the closest relative to chimps are bonobos)

At what point..

By Berkyjay • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread these attacks start to be considered acts of war. This isn't some ransomware situation This is attacking the integrity of a potential global life saving medicine.

Re:fair play?

By Frank Burly • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

I have not seen any such cartoons. But I'll bite: Russia touted it as being all-but ready, but it was pretty clearly just a data and methodology-free photo op for Putin.

I suppose the other difference is that between an international free press of varying levels of quality, and the various propaganda outfits that Putin allows to exist in Russia.

Nobody ever got Novichoked for dissing The Lancet.

Re:The boy that cried Russian

By Teun • Score: 4, Informative • Thread
You've become what those Russians want to achieve, totally insecure with your own people.


By preflex • Score: 3 • Thread

It might turn people into monkeys? That's terrible!

At least it won't turn us into mammals.

China Bans Internet Services Which 'Induce Addiction' In Children

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"China is implementing stricture measures in its bid to keep kids away from addictive digital content," reports Engadget: The state-backed news agency Xinhua reported (via Reuters) that China has voted for a revamped law that will ban internet products and services which "induce addiction" in kids. Game creators, livestream services and social networks also have to set up time and consumption limits. The revised measures also give kids and their parents the right to ask internet providers to take "necessary measures" to thwart cyberbullying, including blocking and deleting content. The updated law will take effect on June 1st, 2021.

Not the best method.

By Gravis Zero • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

China does a lot of horrible shit but this is actually a decent concept. However, the problem is that they are effectively limiting how much heroin you can give to children when the problem isn't really about the amount. What they should be doing is having neuroscientists identifying elements that are habit forming (these are added by design) and then require they be change the gamed or be banned. Limiting the amount of time that can be played is a losing tactic.

This isn't about censorship, this is a field of neuroscience that is being exploited to increase profits.

No Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and CandyCrush

By thesjaakspoiler • Score: 3 • Thread

for them Chinese kids.

Doesn't sound too bad though....

Re:No Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and CandyCrush

By vlad30 • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread
But they will get TikTok which thew CCP controls

Is QAnon an 8Chan Game Gone Wrong?

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This week London's prestigious Financial Times published a 15-minute video investigating the question: " Is QAnon a game gone wrong?" In 2017, the Q team, whoever they may be, made use of the modern equivalent of the Playboy's letters page. It's a message board called 4Chan... A YouTuber called defango has since claimed the work was his. He says he created Q as an alternative reality game, mostly for the LOLs, but also to smoke out bad journalists in the alternative media space. But he also says that in 2018, a man called Thomas Schoenberger wrested control of the game from him... Nobody knows if what he says is really true. What is becoming clear is that the whole thing has run away with itself...

Anyone who plays live action role playing games, known as LARPs, will recognise the gaming elements of QAnon [according to alternate-reality game pioneer Jim Stewartson.] "In 2015, 2016, and 2017, there were a lot of what are called LARPs, live action role playing is what the term means. And it really just means that there is a person pretending to be somebody else. The players knew they weren't real, but it was fun for them to interact with. But what happened on 4Chan and 8Chan is that individual people would go and LARP all by themselves, and create basically a single point of contact for an entire alternate reality game. In 2016, there was FBI Anon, and CIA Anon, Meganon, and all of these different LARPs that were basically practicing, they were prototyping what QAnon is... So it turns out there's a guy named Thomas Schoenberger. He saw this Cicada game as an opportunity to radicalise smart people, and he ended up creating puzzles and calling it Cicada, even though he was not the creator of it."

To this day, no one seems quite sure who the creator of Cicada was. We haven't been able to confirm Thomas Schoenberger's involvement in either Cicada or QAnon... [But Jim Stewartson tells them] "There's a woman named Lisa Clapier who runs an account called SnowWhite7IAM. And her job was to bring people from Cicada to QAnon. So there was a whole theme about follow the White Rabbit. A whole theme around Snow White and Disney characters. And that theme was used specifically to pull people from Cicada into QAnon."

A similar origin story appears in a new article at Between 2014 and 2016, Schoenberger "stole" Cicada, Heavy's source said, and he started manipulating the puzzle. Later on, while working with Chavez, "breadcrumbs" — vague top secret information hidden in clues, were presented through the Cicada game.

In October 2017 QAnon posts premiered on 4chan, a site Schoenberger was prominent on before moving to 8chan in December, a site run out of the Philippines by pornography mogul and pig farmer, Jim Watkins, Heavy's source said.

Re:Intentional distraction

By dcollins • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

Note that Hillary Clinton was voted in the national Gallup poll on "Most admired woman" among Americans for 22 out of the 25 years from 1993-2017 (including every year from 2002-2017). The 2nd-place person for historical wins in that same poll is Eleanor Roosevelt, with 13. It's a rather monumental feat of historical revisionism that Clinton is now regarded as "obviously unlikable".'s_most_admired_man_and_woman_poll

Re:Intentional distraction

By serviscope_minor • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

Right wing makes up a thing. Right wing believes thing to the point where QAnoners are winning Republican senate primaries, and yet somehow you conclude ITS TEH LIBRUHLS FAULT!!11one.

Well, you're as deluded as you usually are in your Slashdot comments, so I guess nothing's new.

Re: Intentional distraction

By serviscope_minor • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

No, they don't. Most Trump supporters aren't even aware of these conspiracies. You are looking at the fringe and assuming they are typical.

Ah yes, third is "fringe". Sure, buddy.

Trump promises to solve these problems.

The Democrats offer nothing.

Trump lied about solving the problems and gave empty promises, the Democrats treated them like adults and told them the truth about the old jobs not coming back and talked about new jobs instead. Apparently people will believe comforting lies over tough reality. The main mistake the Dems made was to treat people with respect.

Might as well try to disprove God

By damn_registrars • Score: 3 • Thread
QAnon is taken on faith by the believers, and doubted by most others. There is no longer any way to absolutely disprove QAnon from being an actual credentialed person, and this works to the favor of whoever is writing the QAnon posts. Even if the person / people behind QAnon came out this afternoon and announced it was a hoax the whole time, some believers would find reasons to brush that off.

Re:Intentional distraction

By backwardsposter • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

So...a candidate has been unpopular with masses of people for 25 years, and they decide to push her on us instead of another candidate people can get a fresh start with? Got it.

3 TB of Private Webcam/Home Security Video Leaked on Porn Sites

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schwit1 quotes Input: A hacking group that has yet to identify itself found and stole more than 3 TB of private video from around the world — mainly collected from Singapore — and shared it on porn sites, according to reports from local media like The New Paper. While some of the footage was indeed pornographic in nature, other videos are more mundane.

More than 50,000 private IP-based cameras were accessed by hackers to amass the collection. Some were explicitly tagged with locations in Singapore, The New Paper reports, while others revealed their location as Singapore based on context clues such as book titles and home layout. Many show people (sometimes with their faces censored) in "various stages of undress or compromising positions...."

It's looking like poor security is the culprit. Clement Lee, a solutions architect for multinational software company Check Point Software Technologies, told The New Paper that the hacking of IP cameras is often due to "poor password management." IP cameras make it easy to access your video feeds from anywhere — which means it's also easy for hackers to access them from anywhere, once they've figured out your password...

The unfortunate fact of the matter is that internet-connected devices are inherently susceptible to hacking. Add lax encryption and lazy users to the mix and you have a recipe for disaster.

Default passwords are the vendors fault, not users

By Pimpy • Score: 3 • Thread

Companies trying to pass the "poor password management" blame onto users is exactly how these massive leaks happen in the first place. If vendors required users to set non-default passwords on initial configuration, most of these problems would disappear. There are already actions in place by the EU to ban manufacturers from using default passwords in connected consumer devices, but it's pretty pathetic that the industry can't work this out on their own without regulatory intervention.

The things people care about

By joe_frisch • Score: 3 • Thread

Its interesting that while many people are happy to post all sorts of details about their lives on FB, easily attached to their real identity, many are concerned about possible nude or pornographic videos, that I have to imagine would be almost impossible to associate with an actual identity.

Multitude of problems with security cameras...

By Bert64 • Score: 3 • Thread

A lot of the cheaper security cameras out there are unbranded junk from china, many of which have default passwords - some of which cannot be changed, as well as various security flaws. Often the vendor never patches these flaws either.

But it is rare for these cameras to be directly reachable from the internet, unless the user has explicitly opened ports for them. This is also true for IPv6, where the default configuration of a home router is to block inbound connections by default - with the added obscurity that an attacker is unlikely to discover the address of a device in amongst the 2^64 possible addresses a user has.

However because of the above, the ability to access cameras from outside would be lacking, so many of these cameras operate a cloud service to which you can connect and access the cameras. Sometimes it's as simple as scanning a qr code that came with the camera. An attacker could easily generate codes for sequential serial numbers and see what comes up etc.

The cloud service itself could also be compromised...

If you want to run your own cameras, configure a VPN with strong authentication and connect to the cameras over that, don't give them any form of direct internet access. Also you want to find cameras that support a standard web browser and open formats for video streaming, a lot of the cheaper chinese one use proprietary protocols or require activex.

Pay Up

By kbsoftware • Score: 3 • Thread
What's not mentioned in this article is that you have to pay for the explicit stuff, $150.


By ledow • Score: 3 • Thread

1) Don't put cameras where you don't want to be watched.
2) Switch off your system when you're in your home. Why do you need it then?
3) Never allow a CCTV system out to the Internet. Put it on an isolated network that does NOT allow outgoing traffic.
4) If this stops you using the app... aw... shame. Almost all CCTV NVRs will provide local RTSP streams, if you're that desperate, or just dial into your home with a proper mechanism (e.g. a VLAN, or remote control of a computer) and view them over the local network.

Simple rules. I fit CCTV systems as part of my job. I don't put them internally, there's little point (it's game over once someone you don't want to get in has got to that point!). I don't point them at anything sensitive and/or I mask the footage in those areas. I put the cameras on their own VLAN. I put the CCTV NVR straddling the camera VLAN and something you can use to watch it, but it still can't get out. I don't use their apps. I don't let them talk to the Internet.

Oh, and I don't have sex in front of cameras.

Zeptoseconds! Scientists Measure the Shortest Unit of Time Ever

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nickwinlund77 quotes Live Science: Scientists have measured the shortest unit of time ever: the time it takes a light particle to cross a hydrogen molecule.

That time, for the record, is 247 zeptoseconds. A zeptosecond is a trillionth of a billionth of a second, or a decimal point followed by 20 zeroes and a 1. Previously, researchers had dipped into the realm of zeptoseconds; in 2016, researchers reporting in the journal Nature Physics used lasers to measure time in increments down to 850 zeptoseconds. This accuracy is a huge leap from the 1999 Nobel Prize-winning work that first measured time in femtoseconds, which are millionths of a billionths of seconds.

It takes femtoseconds for chemical bonds to break and form, but it takes zeptoseconds for light to travel across a single hydrogen molecule (H2). To measure this very short trip, physicist Reinhard Dörner of Goethe University in Germany and his colleagues shot X-rays from the PETRA III at Deutsches Elektronen-Synchrotron (DESY), a particle accelerator in Hamburg. The researchers set the energy of the X-rays so that a single photon, or particle of light, knocked the two electrons out of the hydrogen molecule. (A hydrogen molecule consists of two protons and two electrons.) The photon bounced one electron out of the molecule, and then the other, a bit like a pebble skipping over the top of a pond. These interactions created a wave pattern called an interference pattern, which Dörner and his colleagues could measure with a tool called a Cold Target Recoil Ion Momentum Spectroscopy (COLTRIMS) reaction microscope.

We have another opnion here

By AndyKron • Score: 3 • Thread
"Scientists have measured the shortest unit of time ever". That's not what she said

Time is most likely quantized.

By caveat • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

It's a moot point for now though - the "tick" of the universal clock, Planck time, is 5-39e-44 seconds, 25 orders of magnitude smaller than this measurement. Twenty orders smaller than yottoseconds, which is (as best I can find) the shortest time scale that particle decay processes work on. It's such a fine-grained quantization that I doubt it would affect physics at even a fundamental level, since all physical process we've so far observed work on time scales that are almost incomprehensibly larger.

Re: How about the 10^-43 seconds bang

By BAReFO0t • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

No, the Planck time/length is just the limit of the "we have no fucking idea what's going on and all the laws of physics seem invalid below that" scale.
Causality itself is apparently irrelevant there. Which makes it impossible for us to ponder it, since the point of science and our brains' thinking is to find a cause.

And hence we absolutely do not know what happened to the universe before that time and below that size.

It requires an entirely new way of thinking, *beyond* asking "Why?".
If you can't accept that ... like any normal human being ... look up "Münchhausen trilemma" and weep. Solve THAT!

In the end, the point of us thinking like we do, is that it is useful to predict the results of an alteration of your surroundings, for when you have a goal and want to choose your actions so they approach that goal.
And here, we'll have to find usefulness outside of the prediction of effects. If that even makes sense.

Re: Time is most likely quantized.

By BAReFO0t • Score: 4, Funny • Thread

You're saying the universe wastes a LOT of battery on a uslessly high-DPI reality on top of its ridiculous exponentially growing bloat?

I wonder who, with a certain complex and cult following, might have developed that one... ;)

Re:Still not good enough to measure

By ffkom • Score: 4, Funny • Thread
But it may be just good enough for measuring how long campaign pledges are honored after election day.

Fitness Influencer Who'd Believed Covid-19 'Didn't Exist' Dies of Covid-19

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"Fitness influencer Dmitriy Stuzhuk has passed away at the age of 33 after suffering from complications related to COVID-19," reports E! Online.

The Daily Dot points out that Stuzhuk believed COVID-19 "didn't exist" — until he caught it himself after travelling in Turkey: Stuzhuk, who boasted more than 1 million followers on Instagram, tested positive after returning home and immediately went to the hospital. In his final post on Instagram, Stuzhuk, who said that the hospital was "completely filled with people," admitted that he was wrong about the disease and urged his followers to stay vigilant.

"I want to share how I got sick and to strongly warn everyone," he wrote. "I was one who thought that Covid does not exist... Until I got sick..."

Although Stuzhuk was eventually discharged from the hospital after being treated with oxygen, he was rushed back just hours later after his situation began to worsen...Stuzhuk's ex-wife Sofia stated on Instagram that her former husband began having heart-complications linked to "problems with his cardiovascular system..." The couple had three children together, the youngest of whom was just 9 months old.

"Only warm memories remain, three beautiful kids and valuable experience," Sofia said.

Re:A Darwin Award for him

By sjames • Score: 4, Funny • Thread

you remind me of a Monty Python sketch. A man in the colonial forces in Africa is missing his leg, the netting around his tent is torn to shreds and the men are speculating that it must have been a virus or something and the doctor advising that it's no big deal, he should just favor the other leg.

"Influencer" crapola needs to end

By shubus • Score: 3 • Thread
Yes, this social media concept of "influencer" is past due for retirement.

Re: A Darwin Award for him

By earl pottinger • Score: 4, Informative • Thread
Death from Flu - 35,000 Americans a year, Deaths from Crovid-19 - 224,000 Americans so far and it has not been a full year yet.

Re:another Covid dissident dies suddenly

By dgatwood • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

From the beginning there have been a number of suspicious deaths of outspoken critics of the Covid tyranny. People in statistical low risk cohorts who suddenly succumb to "Covid". Much more quickly than your typical elderly SARS-CoV-2 patient succumbs. It's a very curious thing...

It's actually really easy to explain with science. Like most viruses, the risk of COVID-19 is proportional to the initial dose. People who take precautions and minimize their exposure and wear masks have a low risk of dying, assuming all else is equal, even if they still get sick, whereas people who call it a hoax and have COVID parties have a high risk of dying, assuming all else is equal.

Moreover, as I understand it, the risk of death remains unequal even after adjusting for their relative risk of getting the virus in the first place, because the people who don't take precautions are not just more likely to be exposed; they're also much more likely to get a higher initial dose.

Given that this particular person was a fitness instructor who believed that the virus was a hoax, I would not be surprised if he were continuing to give in-person instruction. And when it comes to your odds of getting a lethal dose, aerobic exercise around other people without masks is about as high-risk an activity as you can get. If one of the other people in the class is shedding, you're toast. About the only more dangerous jobs I can think of are first responders and medical personnel.

This is generally true for all of the cases you find "suspicious". Calling a deadly virus a hoax and then running around like a maskless idiot is the epidemiological equivalent of running blindfolded into an active minefield. The only thing suspicious about such a death is the question of why there was a minefield in the first place.

Heart condition at 33. Almost universal...

By MMC Monster • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

I am a cardiologist.

Here's the thing about heart disease. Heart disease is a general term for a lot of heart conditions, the most common is coronary artery atherosclerosis, which means plaques of cholesterol in the arteries (blood vessels) that supply the heart.

These plaques do NOT start in your 40s or 50s. They start much younger (think teens and 20s) as thin streaks of cholesterol that line the arteries of the heart. During lectures, I joke that it starts the first time you walk under the golden arches of McDonalds. But it's probably almost any calorie-rich diet that will do it. Heart disease is almost universal. Unless you're foraging for berries in the amazon, you probably have it.

In general, these streaks lay dormant for many years. Then you get some sort of stress (ie: an episode of high blood pressure, some amazingly fatty meal, a wiff of smoke, an infection (viral or otherwise) and one of the streaks of cholesterol fractures and reforms and goes from 0% stenosis (not blocking the bloodflow at all) to maybe 20% stenosis... which you don't notice at all.

This happens randomly over the decades. Maybe the next stress causes a different part of the streak to go fro 0% to 30%. Or maybe the 20% goes to 50%. It's a random event that you don't even notice is happening in your body.

If it goes to ~70% or more, maybe it will make you a little short of breath when you get active. And you tell yourself you're "just getting older".

If it goes to 95% or more, then you start getting symptoms at rest or minimal exertion and go to the hospital with chest pain.

So don't think that it's the rare person in their 30s who's at risk of complications from Covid-19 because they have underlying heart disease. We all have heart disease.

Cloudflare Offers 'Isolated' Cloud-Based Browser, Plus a Network-as-a-Service Solution

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Cloudflare has released the beta of its new "browser isolation" service, which runs a web browser in the cloud, reports TechRadar. As more and more computing is done inside a browser as opposed to on a system itself, many enterprise organizations have begun to deploy browser isolation services where the browser doesn't actually run on a user's computer. Instead the browser runs on a virtual machine inside a cloud provider's data center. This means that any threats from the browser will stay in that virtual machine and won't be able to infect a corporate laptop or move laterally across an organization's network...

Cloudflare Browser Isolation does thing a bit differently by sending the final output of a browser's web page rendering. As a result, the only thing every sent to a user's device is a package of draw commands to render the webpage and this also means that the company's new service will be compatible with any HTML5 compliant browser including Chrome, Safari, Edge and Firefox.

As Cloudflare has data centers in 200 cities around the world, its browser isolation service should be able to deliver a responsive web browsing experience regardless of where a user is located.

It's part of a larger push, since this week Cloudflare also released their network-as-a-service solution "Cloudflare One," which according to Cloudflare "protects and accelerates the performance of devices, applications, and entire networks to keep workforces secure." "After decades of building legacy corporate networks, organizations are left with clunky systems designed to protect their now empty offices. The only way to secure today's work-from-anywhere economy is to secure each individual employee, protecting their individual networks, devices, and access to business-critical applications," said Matthew Prince, CEO of Cloudflare... Companies have traditionally used a castle-and-moat approach to security, creating a barrier between the enterprise network and external threats. Now that applications have moved to the cloud, and more employees have moved outside of the office, that model is broken.

Employees are frustrated with the speed and experience of VPNs, and organizations want an alternative to the expensive patchwork of legacy solutions required to secure and connect corporate offices to each other and the internet. Today's new landscape requires a zero trust approach, where organizations do not automatically trust any requests to corporate data or resources, and instead, verify every attempt to connect to corporate systems before allowing them access... This unified solution enables fast and safe connections to workplace applications, allows teams to use an app without exposing it to the public internet, makes personal devices safe for business use, and works in any environment with any cloud provider.

My new service: "Just Phone It In"!

By Rick Schumann • Score: 3, Funny • Thread

For a mere $39.99 per month you can have all your computing and web browsing needs fulfilled -- and never have to touch a nasty old computer ever again!
With Just Phone It In, you're 100% safe from hacking and phishing attacks, because you don't even need to own a computer! Just call our convenient toll-free number, and our helpful staff will do all that messy computing and web browsing for you, just tell them what you want done and voila, it's done in a flash -- and you never, ever need to even own a computer ever again!
Just Phone It In is the newest concept in cloud-based computer-and-Internet-as-a-service, removing all risk and pesky costs of equipment ownership from you, the consumer. While your order is being processed you can go on about the more imporant parts of your day, secure in the knowledge that our skilled staff if taking care of all that messy complicated computer work on your behalf.

o Personal web shopping
o Banking and other financial business
o Social media browsing and posting
o Browsing YouTube cat videos (our highly trained staff will describe what they see in vivid full-color detail to you)
o Even trolling-by-proxy on 4chan (extra hazard fee may apply)

With Just Phone It In you'll be free to pursue all the more important things in your life and never have to worry about messy, pesky, complicated, annoying things like 'computers', 'operating systems', 'web browsers', or 'The Internet' ever again, and enjoy unprecedented reductions in your overall life-stress levels!

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What about privacy?

By qzzpjs • Score: 3 • Thread

So, if the browser is running on their server, that means the HTTPS connection starts there and all your credit card numbers are going to be entered there for online shopping. I'd prefer to have those numbers encrypted before they left my PC.

X11 ...

By PPH • Score: 3 • Thread

... and thin clients live!

[Diabolical laugh]


By BAReFO0t • Score: 3 • Thread

I run my browser *in the browser*!

*exhales massive cloud*

Re:Oh great

By tlhIngan • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

It's hard enough to avoid CloudFlare's ubiquitous surveillance and singlehanded control to access of large swathes of the internet (try to access websites from TOR, see what happens thanks to them)

Cloudflare is a content delivery network that provides DDoS isolation. They offer their services to many websites for a low price. They monitor where DDoS attacks come from and block and try to isolate legitimate traffic from it.

You complain TOR users suffer - have you considered that TOR is (mis)used by other people? It doesn't take long for a new exit node to be abused and detected by Cloudflare and marked as an abusive IP. If you. as a legitimate user attempt to use the same exit node, are you supposed to be surprised when you're presented with lots of user tests to determine if your traffic is abusive or legitimate?

It's the same reason why you can't run mailservers off a dynamic IP anymore - too many people abused them for spamming so mail servers started disallowing connections from them. When eople abuse TOR to launch their attacks, you'd expect CDNs to react - usually by just blocking the IP. Cloudflare just happens to know sometimes there are legitimate users too from those bad IPs and just makes them jump through a few hoops to ensure they're real traffic.

Lots of services now classify IPs by reputation, and it turns out TOR and often VPN services get blacklisted because idiots use them for DDOS purposes.

Tesla Drops Its 7-Day Return Policy

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"Tesla has removed its ballsy 'no questions asked' 7-day return policy that Elon Musk has been pushing as a show of confidence for the automaker," reports Electrek: CEO Elon Musk often used the policy in marketing Tesla vehicles to potential buyers... Tesla literally wrote in its support page for the policy, "This return policy is intended to give you confidence in your purchase of a Tesla vehicle, and so is in addition to any other rights you may have under applicable law." As long as there was no damage to the vehicle and less than 1,000 miles on the odometer, buyers were able to return the vehicle to Tesla for a full refund.

Now sources familiar with the matter told Electrek that Tesla has discontinued the policy Thursday night. The support page for the policy now redirects to Tesla's general support page without any replacement policy. Sources familiar with the matter told Electrek that dissatisfied buyers will now be referred to Tesla's service department if they express wanting to return a vehicle for whatever reason...

"Normally, we would ask Tesla's PR department about it, but as we recently reported, it has been disbanded."

"Tesla does, however, have dealerships," reports Mashable: So I tried calling one and the salesperson who answered readily confirmed that yes, the seven-day return policy is no more. They told me the policy used to make sense because Tesla didn't have a major presence in many states, and so showrooms and test drives weren't widely available.

That's no longer the case, however. With more than 100 Tesla showrooms in the U.S. alone, it's much easier for a prospective buyer to check out one of the cars before they buy it.

The Motley Fool notes that "In midafternoon trading on Friday, Tesla's shares were down by 1.2%, in contrast to the gains of the broader stock market."

Re:No, they don't have dealerships.

By AmiMoJo • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

The nearest showroom to me is a couple of hours drive away. The idea with the 7 day return policy was that you could forego the test drive.

Anyway since it's the UK the law says you can return it within 14 days for a refund, main problem being you have to get it back to them.

Re:Does anyone else have a return policy?

By OrangeTide • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

I believe a car has to break before most (all?) lemon laws kick in. You can't return it just because you found it underwhelming or have buyer's remorse.

Same here - it's good PR, so it must have cost too

By raymorris • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

I had the same first thought. Having the policy was good PR.
Dropping the policy after they promoted it is bad PR.
So they must have done so because the number of returns cost too much; it was better to take the PR hit than to continue having that many returns.


By SkonkersBeDonkers • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

knee/back pain after 4-5 hours of continuous driving is just known as "you're not as young as you used to be" where I come from

If you installed the autopilot software...

By LordHighExecutioner • Score: 3 • Thread
...your Tesla will return itself, nothing to worry about.

Linux 5.10 Solves the Year 2038 Problem Until 2486

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The Linux 5.10 kernel's XFS file-system will have two new on-disk meta-data capabilities, reports Phoronix: 1. The size of inode btrees in the allocation group is now recorded. This is for increasing redundancy checks and also allowing faster mount times.

2. Support for timestamps now until the year 2486.

This "big timestamps" feature is the refactoring of their timestamp and inode encoding functions to handle timestamps as a 64-bit nanosecond counter and bit shifting to increase the effective size. This now allows XFS to run well past the Year 2038 problem (where storing the time since 1970 in seconds will no longer fit in a signed 32-bit integer and thus wraparound) to now the Year 2486. Making a new XFS file-system with bigtime enabled allows a timestamp range from December 1901 to July 2486 rather than December 1901 to January 2038. For preserving backwards compatibility, the big timestamps feature is not currently enabled by default.

Re:_Only_ For XFS

By drinkypoo • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

I used to use XFS but I stopped because you need an assload of RAM to carry out journal recovery after a power failure. I'm using Pogoplugs for NAS (because they are wildly cheap, super low power, and have 2xUSB3, 1xSATA, and GigE, and they run Debian) and they literally do not have enough RAM to remount a dirty XFS. So if a disk is unsafely unmounted you have to use another machine to remount it. So I went to ext4, which does not have this problem.

Re:_Only_ For XFS

By DontBeAMoran • Score: 5, Funny • Thread

It's a similar situation with Windows. It was meant solely to run Solitaire, Minesweeper and calculator but things got out of hand really fast.

Metadata steganography

By infolation • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread
Not everyone wants to store dates and times in the timestamp. For people interested in steganography in filesystem metadata, a 64-bit timestamp is immensely helpful.

This is at best a hack, and not the best solution

By Terje Mathisen • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

First, all 64-bit OSs have changed to a 64-bit time_t which will last long enough (2.92e11 years for the signed version), that the survival of the planet is not guaranteed.

On the other hand, Network Time Protocol have been using a fixed-point 32:32 format since day 1, and that is fine since NTP is only used to exchange/measure small time differences.

On the gripping hand the real problem here is that all these UTC timestamps, with ridiculously high resolution, are ignoring the elephant in the room which is leap seconds! It makes zero sense to have fractional UTC seconds without also specifying exactly how timestamps taken during a leap event should be handled. :-(

NTP btw have wrestled with the leap second issues for many years, so that server timestamps can include a warning about an upcoming leap event.


Re: This just pushes the problem back a few centur

By skullandbones99 • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

You do realise that 25 year old MS-DOS FAT filesystems are still in use today, right? If you buy a car today with USB Mass Storage for audio playback then the car is likely to have support for FAT. If the car lasts 25 years then FAT will have been supported for 50 years.

The problem is the need to interoperate with equipment and standards over the lifetime of the car. For example, CD drives got replaced by memory sticks but cars still exist today with CD drives. So there is a 25 year delay for the old tech to die off.

But Y2038 hits in 17 years time on 19th January 2038 which is within the lifetime of new vehicles today. Y2038 is going to be a lawyer's payday with mass class action law suites being deployed for a well understood defect that currently is not being taken seriously enough by industry.

Also on the radar, is that the current Internet Network Time Protocol (NTP) rolls over to the next era in 2036. If your embedded device has no real-time clock and starts its system time with 1st January 1970 then your device will get a wrong time using NTP in 2036.

It is also a myth to believe that 64-bit systems are immune from Y2038 because there is the need to interoperate with old standards and equipment.

My expectation is that governments will have to pass Y2038 laws to protect consumer rights.

Bill Gates Asked Microsoft's 'Junior Engineer' Job Interview Question

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DevNull127 writes: Let's say you're interviewing for a junior engineering position at Microsoft," Bill Gates was asked. "Why should we hire you?"

"I like to be on a team," Gates replies. "I like ambitious goals. I like thinking through how we can anticipate the future. Software is cool, and I want to be involved."

The question was asked by top basketball player Steph Curry, in a new YouTube series CNN says will focus on ideas for positive change. In its first 20-minute episode Gates also spoke about the toll of the pandemic on workers in difficult low-paying jobs that can't be done remotely. "We didn't prepare well for this pandemic. I was one of the voices that warned that something like this could happen, but even I didn't appreciate how inequitable this would be...

"Hopefully, although the whole thing's a tragedy and a huge setback, some of those areas of innovation like online learning, telemedicine, get accelerated so that three years from now we can say 'Wow, we made over 10 years of progress. This stuff really works."

Re:How did...

By SpankiMonki • Score: 5, Informative • Thread

His Mom was on the board of IBM and that is how he made his billions.

Mary Gates was never on the board of IBM.

Gates promotes himself

By awwshit • Score: 5, Insightful • Thread

What is it with Gates and the media? That guy must be buying his way to my eyeballs. I fucking hate Bill Gates and I don't give a fuck what he thinks or what he does or what he thinks is important. The guy was a greedy monopolistic fuck and how he gets to play nice and decide how best to save the world?

The entire world would be better off without philanthropy. That money should have been distributed properly in the first place, then the world would need less philanthropy.

Fuck you, Bill.

Re:How did...

By skoskav • Score: 4, Insightful • Thread

Could it be that instead of nesting on his pile of gold, he's spending it to help others and the world?

No. It couldn't. He's engaging in a cynical attempt to make the world better for himself. His efforts have resulted in his personal fortune growing even larger than it was before creating the Gates Foundation. [...]

I think you're both misrepresenting how wealth works. At those amounts, it's not just sat on, but is instead re-invested while not in use in order to continue a hefty yearly growth. If he had instead spent it at the beginning on his philanthropy, then he quickly wouldn't have any left to spend.

While the Gates Foundation does hand out multi-million donations and grants, they primarily do philanthropy by investing some of its assets in risky or otherwise unlucrative projects that tries to tackle 3rd world health issues, poverty, and education. However, those projects alone wouldn't allow much growth of the foundation, so a second legal entity also invests in more traditional profitable companies.

He invested in Big Pharma, then went and did a bunch of work for Big Pharma, then sold much of that stock so that he could point and say "look, I'm not heavily invested in pharma" ... sure, now that you've already pumped and dumped.

I have no clue what you're vaguely trying to insinuate, but the foundation is still investing in Pfizer if that makes you squeamish for some reason.

Re:Better question: Why should I work for you?

By denzacar • Score: 5, Interesting • Thread

It's a conflation of characters. For all intents and purposes, she may as well have been on IBM's board. At least that way everything would have been... well... above the board.
Cause she WAS on "the board of directors of the national United Way" - along with John Opel.

The bit about her role in getting her boy that sweet IBM deal is literally from her obituary.

Her tenure on the national board's executive committee is believed to have helped Microsoft, based in Seattle, at a crucial time.
In 1980, she discussed with John R. Opel, a fellow committee member who was the chairman of the International Business Machines Corporation, the business that I.B.M. was doing with Microsoft.

Mr. Opel, by some accounts, mentioned Mrs. Gates to other I.B.M. executives.
A few weeks later, I.B.M. took a chance by hiring Microsoft, then a small software firm, to develop an operating system for its first personal computer.

The success of the I.B.M. P C gave Microsoft and its MS-DOS (for Microsoft Disk Operating System) a lift that eventually made it the world's largest software company for personal computers.
Sales now exceed $3 billion.

Re:Gates promotes himself

By awwshit • Score: 4 • Thread

Reaganomics is essentially a tax structure that benefits those who make money from investments over those who make money from labor. This tax structure allows more wealthy people to keep more of their money over time, with the hope that they further invest that money and it will 'trickle down' to every one else. After 40 years of this kind of policy its clear that it is 'trickle up'. I'm arguing for fair tax policy. Fair tax policy is not socialism. I'm arguing that investments should not get a tax benefit over labor, and that has nothing to do with socialism.

Google's Internal Data Suggests Employees Feel Less Productive At Home

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The Information reports: Google's engineering directors are grappling with a worrisome trend: internal data that indicate productivity during the coronavirus shutdowns deteriorated among engineers, particularly newly hired ones.

One internal survey viewed by The Information found that in the three months ended in June, only 31% of the company's engineers polled felt they had been highly productive, down 8 percentage points from a record high in the March quarter. That decline and more recent data on engineers' coding output from the third quarter caused its head of engineering productivity, Michael Bachman, last week to email senior Google managers and executives, drawing attention to the data. He said the findings are "still relevant for all teams across the company," not just engineers.'s developer newsletter supplies some context: The news comes as reports reveal Microsoft's CEO Satya Nadella is tired of working from home, while Stanford economics professor Nicholas Bloom adds he believes remote work is, for many, a "productivity disaster" that he fears will hurt innovation.

However, these statements contradict a recent report unveiled during the September DevOpsWorld 2020 conference examining the impact of Covid-19 on software development, where many reported an increase in productivity.


By Entrope • Score: 4, Informative • Thread

Except TFA says those employees are right, and even the other employees are less productive than before:

The concerned or dissatisfied Google engineers who spent less time coding also submitted 45% fewer "changelists" (CLs, attempted changes to Google's code repository) during the recent period, Bachman wrote. By comparison, engineers who were neutral or satisfied with their workloads submitted 20% fewer changelists.


By h33t l4x0r • Score: 4, Funny • Thread
I said I felt less bollocks working from home.
Which, to be fair, is a decent measure of productivity since I work for a testicular cancer clinic.


By shipofgold • Score: 4, Interesting • Thread

Productivity, meaning, how much stuff you crank out in a given period is probably up as there should be less distraction at home (depending on the home).

Innovation, on the other had, is probably way down as it is pretty hard to 'brainstorm' over Instant Messaging or Conference calls. Nothing replaces 5 experts in a room and a whiteboard.

I have been WFH for 15 years for a major corp and in the begging I used to get trips back to the mother ship for the purposes of innovation....those stopped after a couple of years, and my (notably biased) opinion is that they are less innovative. That and outsourcing jobs to cheap countries doesn't help.

I agree with the assesment (mostly)

By btroy • Score: 3, Informative • Thread
Actually I would agree with the leader's assessment for fresh out of college and new to the company people.

When I came out of college and entered the software engineering realm I was lucky enough to be placed with a senor engineer who's assignment was his job plus keep me on track/answer stupid beginner questions. That in person relationship of mentoring was huge. I turned around and did the same for others.

I've worked remotely and with a remote workforce for years, even managed some teams. What I found from the right out of college engineers is they still needed that interaction, and preferably in person.

1. A mentor could see them going off the rails and help them out. This is harder in a W@H environment.
2. The discipline of getting up and working hard is important in the early years. It teaches discipline and a habit of working hard and I mean productive work (heads down coding, figuring out issues, debugging a coding problem). Being in the office potentially gives them that training, plus the interaction with wise engineers to realize HOURS != PRODUCTION and in fact too many hours and your production goes down
3. Just being the office isn't a solution. It is critical they are teamed up with a mentor, and I mean critical.

I have seen the remote and overloaded world totally decimate that type of interaction and training. It isn't doing the young/new to the field a favor.

Even as a senior software engineer when I first enter a new company environment I have to learn the ins and outs of their culture. How to file the necessary paperwork. Again, being able to walk over and say, "hey how do I do this here" saves a huge amount of time. But after the initial adaptation, I find working from home doesn't make any difference at all. In fact, I'm willing to put a little more time in because of the short commute /s


By msk • Score: 3 • Thread

This looks like another case of extroverted managers making decisions for introverts.

Introverts should be at least equally represented on management teams.

NASA Asks: What Would You Pack For a Trip to the Moon?

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AmiMoJo quotes SlashGear: We're still many years away from casual consumer trips to the Moon, but it's easy to fantasize about such trips. NASA is getting in on the fun with a new campaign presenting the public with a simple question: what would you pack if you were taking your own lunar trip? NASA is encouraging anyone interested to share a picture of what's in their bag (for this imagined Moon trip) using its new #NASAMoonKit social campaign...

NASA is encouraging the public to get a container that meets this volume limitation, pack it with the precious few items they'd bring along on the trip, then take a picture and share it on social media — either Instagram, Facebook, or Twitter — using the #NASAMoonKit hashtag. NASA says that it may share your post on its own social accounts if it likes what it sees.

"What can't you leave the planet without?" asks the campaign's official web page. "Is it your camera? Your drawing pad? Or maybe your musical instrument?

"How would you organize everything you need for your next giant leap?"


By ruddk • Score: 5, Funny • Thread

I need my emotional support dog and a bunch of face mask and hand sanitizers, you never know who you run into on the moon. There are stories, you know.

A few ideas

By bobstreo • Score: 4, Funny • Thread

given the space limitations, with no weight limits listed...

a 2TB e-ink reader with some extra 2TB cards.

The rest of the space could be filled with weed for the trip and seeds for "The Hydroponics Section"


By Evtim • Score: 3 • Thread

Antracete for the dragons.

Apples for the elephants.

A fountain pen that works upside down (use pencil?).

Hook and rope for lifting the turtle's tail (that's not very polite, is it?).


Crackers, of course!

By John Bresnahan • Score: 5, Funny • Thread

The most obvious answer

By SilverJets • Score: 5, Funny • Thread

Air. Lots and lots of air.